Boko Haram admits abducting Nigeria girls from Chibok

[al bupp]

Source: BBC

About 230 girls are still believed to be missing, prompting widespread criticism of the Nigerian government.

"I abducted your girls," Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau said in a video obtained by the AFP news agency.

Meanwhile, a woman who helped organise protests over the abduction has been detained, her fellow community leaders say.

Naomi Mutah took part in a meeting on Sunday called by the president's wife, Patience Jonathan. Shortly afterwards, she was taken to a police station.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27283383

[Le Taz Hot]

1. If these were white girls

we'd be sending in the Marines.

[whathehell]

3. Maybe, but if they were males of any color,

you'd get a similarly "upgraded" response, especially, I'd guess, from the home country

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Attacks on gay men and women have been going on there for months and no one even talks about it

So yeah, sure. Same in Uganda. This week I posted a letter from young Ugandan man in hiding, pleading with Pope Francis to speak out against his Bishops, who are calling for blood in the streets. The only Duer who commented said he was more concerned about Francis, who is old, than he was about some gay guy in hiding.
So that's how folks here deal with matters of genocide. They yawn.

[whathehell]

75. Actually I've been seeing quite a bit about the appalling laws in Uganda..

I'm sorry you got only one disinterested response to the post you mention,

but the persecution of gays does not seem to be a "yawn" subject on DU.

[al bupp]

16. The denial is pervasive

Just today (apparently before the Boko Haram admission) the Nigerian President's wife accused the opposition of inventing this to embarrass the president and even arrested protest leaders.

From: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/5/nigeria-boko-haram.html

Further angering Nigerians, a leader of the protests that have been critical of the government’s search efforts said on Monday that Nigeria's first lady ordered her and another protest leader arrested.

Saratu Angus Ndirpaya of Chibok said State Security Service agents drove her and protest leader Naomi Mutah Nyadar to a police station Monday after an all-night meeting at the presidential villa in Abuja. She said police immediately released her, but that Nyadar remains in detention. Deputy Superintendent Daniel Altine, police spokeswoman for Abuja, said she had no information but would investigate.

Journalists waiting outside the Asokoro police station in Abuja, where Nyadar was being held, watched a vehicle from the presidential State House drive up, and saw Nyadar being put into the car and then driven away.

Ndirpaya said the first lady had accused the protesters of fabricating the abductions. "She told so many lies, that we just wanted the government of Nigeria to have a bad name, that we did not want to support her husband's rule," she said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "They (accused us of supporting) Boko Haram, and that Mrs. Nyadar is a member of Boko Haram."

Seems like the first reflex of all rulers is to blame the messenger.

[whathehell]

43. I'm not denying anything -- The situation sounds horrifying. n/t

[al bupp]

54. I didn't mean to imply that you were denying anything

My apologies for not being clear about that.

[whathehell]

74. Okay, thanks for clarifying.

[riderinthestorm]

2. Link to a petition to get some attention for these girls...

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/work-un-and-nigerian-government-bring-home-girls-kidnapped-boko-haram/fFcLj7s2

[jwirr]

5. Since they are selling for $12 each it would be fairly simple to buy them back. However that would

be a bad move as it would just lead to more kidnappings.

[Xithras]

12. Disagree. Pay the money, get the girls, and THEN hunt them down.

230 children are being held prisoner. We know that some have died. We know that some have been "married off" and raped. We know that the leadership of Boko Haram is trying to sell them into a lifetime of slavery.

To leave those children in that situation because we fear that we'll set some sort of precedent is unconscionable. Free the children. After they are free, wipe Boko Haram from the face of the Earth. Give them the money, but make damned sure they never get to enjoy it.

[jwirr]

13. If we do not pay then we should free them any way we can. Years ago didn't a army go into an

African nation and free some Jewish prisoners? That was a very secretive mission until it was actually happening. I am hoping this is what they are doing. Unfortunately I suspect these girls are not seen a "valuable".

[Behind the Aegis]

45. Not quite.

Operation Entebbe was a little more than some country going to free some Jews. The Jews and Israelis were specifically chosen and held hostage by a foreign government. In this situation, it is all completely internal.

[jwirr]

50. Thank you. I remembered it had happened but not the details. Jt will take something like that to end

this mess. And I have no idea who would even think about it in our world today.

[Behind the Aegis]

51. I am unsure what will happen and it almost seems surreal, as if this is something from the 1800s.

If there was ever an argument for the creation of a Themyscira, things like this tragedy really drive the point home.

[muriel_volestrangler]

6. Boko Haram 'to sell' Nigeria girls abducted from Chibok

Same link as OP:

In the video, Abubakar Shekau said the girls should not have been in school in the first place, but rather should get married.

"God instructed me to sell them, they are his properties and I will carry out his instructions," he said.

However, BBC Hausa Service editor Mansur Liman points out that the Boko Haram leader did not state the number of girls abducted, nor where they were taken or are now.

[seveneyes]

7. It sounds like the terrorists are allowed to operate freely in the country

A concentrated and sincere effort to eliminate the terrorists could curb this kind of criminality.

[nyabingi]

9. Realities are never quite that simple seveneyes...

People start fighting each other for reasons and those reasons must be weighed and considered before talk of "eliminating" anyone.

[leftynyc]

11. Uh - no

When one side is SELLING CHILDREN, they aren't worthy enough as humans to listen to. They have absolutely nothing to say I want to hear. THEY'RE SELLING GIRLS. There is nothing to weigh or consider in this case.

[nyabingi]

15. They are doing this for a reason, no?

Reporting on crises in Africa, particularly in the west, are often lacking in context and background at all - an unfortunate leftover of paternalistic simplification of African problems which leaves people to think any violence or atrocity that happens there is simply the result of savage, subhuman barbarians who are innately violent.

This is the same thing that happened with coverage of the violence in Rwanda. Lack of context and background led many westerners to believe one ethnic groups just up and decided to go out and start hacking a rival ethnic group to death for no reason, when all violence happens for a reason (even if that reason may be mental issues of the aggressor).

The Nigerian government has killed thousands of Muslims in the north in their bid to get rid of Boko Haram, only inflaming the potential for violence in the future. One side is proposing the sell of children while the other side simply sends in the military to kill them - I guess maybe a case can be made that one if preferable to the other?

[leftynyc]

19. Making excuses

for the selling of young girls doesn't help your case in the slightest. These are animals doing this, nothing less, nothing more. They don't deserve to breath the same air as everybody else. Is that clear enough for you?

[nyabingi]

22. Why would any sane person excuse

the selling of anyone? As a Black person who's ancestors were sold for centuries, I find it especially appalling and feel it on a personal level. However, when people resort to doing this sorts of things, they are doing it for a reason.

Read a little about what has been going on there for a long time and it'll give you more perspective on the situation. I'm in no way defending them kidnapping or attempting to sell little girls - let's not be hysterical here.

[leftynyc]

30. You seem to think the "why" is important

Maybe it is to some people but not to me. If it were Christians doing this, there would be universal condemnation and nobody would be giving the why a second thought.

[nyabingi]

39. If you don't bother to think "why" then

how is the conflict to be ended?

My whole point in even commenting on this article was that nothing happens without reason, that there has been animosities for a long time between the Christian south and Islamic north, and that our media, in publicizing one particularly atrocity or another, never provides any context for what's happening, especially in African countries.

[leftynyc]

40. There is no context to

selling humans. How do we solve it - how about jailing or killing the animals who think it's okay to sell young women? I'm fine with either of those solutions.

[maddezmom]

41. There is no context in selling school girls

No matter what and it troubles me that you seem to think there is a legitimate reason to do so.

[nyabingi]

62. No where did I say there

was a legitimate reason to sell school girls.

Stop extrapolating and jumping to conclusion and just pay attention to what I said please.

[maddezmom]

64. You implied it was justified, imo

[The Magistrate]

48. Nonesense, Sir

A great deal of killing is done over things that would not move a well man to raise his voice....

"Hier gibt es keine 'Warum'."

[cosmicone]

34. they are doing this in the name of Islam

the abducted girls are mostly christian.

Boko haram is funded by saudi figures to propagate wahabism by any means.

[nyabingi]

37. Yeah, Boko Haram advocates sharia law

and a very conservative interpretation of Islam that only true believers in that strain of Islam would care to follow.

Nigeria would be better off considering some sort of political split with the north of the country because they don't really have a lot in common with each other. That would be better than launching attacks on each other because in the end it's the people who suffer.

[The Magistrate]

47. Why Should The Moslems Of North Nigeria Be Consigned To Boko Haram's Rule, Sir?

That is what your prescription for partition would accomplish.

Perhaps fundamentalist radicals should stop, or be stopped, from violently imposing their religious views on other people....

[cosmicone]

49. exactly the logic the nefaious brits

should have used before partitioning India.

[The Magistrate]

52. That Was A Hard Case, Sir

Partition of India can certainly be seen as a mistake, and was beyond doubt a lethal policy in the event, but whether a decision to break Jinnah's Moslem League would have turned out better, or even have been possible in the circumstances actually obtaining in '47 ( in particular with reference to what English military forces actually would have been capable of ), is hard to state with any certainty. A lot of people were going to get killed, and killed brutally: changing the course would only have changed who it was died hard, I suspect. I think more of the blame lies with the League than the Congress for having worked things to the pitch they were at, and I think the English gave the League too much leeway, owing to the disproportionate number of soldiers in the India Army and other colonial forces who were Moslems.

[azurnoir]

57. actually Borno State along with a number of other northern Nigerian States already live by choice

under Sharia Law ad have since at least 2000 that would be prior to Boko Harum's terror

[The Magistrate]

59. I Know That, Ma'am

It effects are somewhat moderated by the national system, fortunately.

And even that condition is insufficient for the Boko Haram.

I understand the significance of Sharia in post-colonial Islamic societies; it is in context something like a person here saying we should follow our Common Law traditions, an assertion of identity in response to subjection to an alien system. Nor is Sharia a uniform item, there are various schools and traditions, and it has potential for growth and modernization within it.

[azurnoir]

65. All true however my take on this and no one is saying it is that perhaps just maybe

this is the reason that President Goodluck and his wife Patience seem to be ignoring (I'm being polite) the situation as both of them are Christian and this is happening in Muslim majority north, where most states are under Sharia law either in full that would include criminal, civil , and domestic laws or domestic and civil laws, I believe Borno is one of the latter

However this maybe a form of let Allah sort them out

[The Magistrate]

70. If That Is Their Course, Ma'am, It Is A Seriously Mistaken One

Leaving to one side a government's duty to protect all its people, if the Boko Haram consolidate control in the north, they will not stop there.

[azurnoir]

73. There could also be this Boko Harum has threatened to move attacks to the Southern oil region

As reports filtered in Wednesday that gunmen in Bama were once again shooting people and setting homes on fire, Boko Haram released a video statement saying it plans to widen its reach, to attack oil refineries in the south and continue its assault on Muslim clerics that don’t agree with its harsh interpretation of Islamic law.

http://www.voanews.com/content/nigerias-boko-haram-threatens-oil-refineries-muslim-clerics/1855574.html


The president said he could not rule out an amnesty deal, but it was impossible to negotiate an agreement with Boko Haram because their identities and demands remained unclear.

"You cannot declare amnesty for ghosts," Jonathan told politicians and dignitaries in the Yobe capital Damaturu. Jonathan made reference to a 2009 amnesty deal for militants in the oil-producing Niger Delta region, where the president is from.

The deal has been credited with greatly reducing unrest in the Niger Delta, but criminality has since flourished, including the theft of crude oil on a massive scale, costing Nigeria an estimated US$6 billion per year.

"In the Niger Delta, if you call them, they come and they will tell you their grievances," he said. "But Boko Haram, I don't see anybody who says they are Boko Haram."

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1185911/nigerian-leader-rejects-amnesty-call-boko-haram-insurgents

[nyabingi]

61. Did I say they should be "consigned to Boko Haram's rule"?

No, I didn't.

Again you are arguing with yourself man.

Are you just mad at me The Magistrate? Did I hurt your feelings at some point during these proceedings? Are you going to pop up whenever I post something just to be contrary?

What's the problem?

[The Magistrate]

63. That Is What Partition Would Result In, Sir

Therefore to present partition of the country, or secession from it by the northern states, as a solution to the campaign of Boko Haram, is to propose the north be taken over by Boko Haram. You may say you wish to step off a roof, and even try and argue that by that you do not intend to break your leg on the pavement below, but the one thing encompasses the other, and to say you want to step off a roof is to say you want a broken leg. Most people understand how that works by the time they are able to abide by traffic lights....

[LanternWaste]

68. One need only ensure a world-wide lack of poverty and access to education for that to ever happen.

"A concentrated and sincere effort to eliminate the terrorists..."

One need only ensure a world-wide lack of poverty and global access to education for that to ever happen.

[EX500rider]

80. "One need only ensure a world-wide lack of poverty and global access to education"

many terrorist groups have come from well educated and rich back grounds..

Baader Meinhof in Germany for example
Bin Laden was well educated
Patty Hurst was very rich
etc

[Blue_Tires]

71. The Nigerian gov't is too bloated, corrupt and inept

and essentially has little *real* authority in the rural, isolated Muslim-heavy north, where Boko Haram has a lot of implicit support...

Boko Haram's ultimate goal is to destabilize the country and eventually overthrow the Christian-majority government in the Christian-heavy south; then they will make Nigeria a one-religion country under sharia....

[nyabingi]

8. The Nigerian government has done a horrible job

of addressing the grievances of northern Nigerians (who are mostly Muslim who depend on farming for their income) - most of the massive oil wealth in Nigeria stays in the southern, Christian parts of the country. Boko Haram is a violent group that is to be opposed, but the government's brutality against the northerners is often unreported or presented as a response to some provocation.

Western companies have always been given preferential access to a lot of land in the north and they have been the targets of attacks by northern Nigerians who are often cut off from good farm lands. The western nations who are so intent on reporting abuses by Boko Haram need to put pressure on Goodluck Jonathan to honestly pay attention to why northern Muslims there are upset.

I hope the abducted girls are returned safely and unharmed...

[The Magistrate]

14. Amazing, Sir, How It is Always The West Is Responsible....

It was no surprise to see you ranging yourself alongside Boko Haram here, however tentatively and gingerly --- for that is exactly what your comments amount to, what the 'well, they have a point' and the 'look at what western companies and the government have done to them', after the 'of course they must be opposed' lip-music actually signify. You will say 'they should be opposed', but can be counted on to denounce any action taken against them, whether by the Nigerian government, the O.A.S., the U.N., or any Western power, and counted on to do so on the grounds that 'it's really the west at fault' and 'look how cruel they are being to these people'....

[nyabingi]

17. The Nigerians are ultimately responsible for what is

happening in their country, but the presence of western companies cannot be ignored as having nothing to do with what is happening there. The difference between you and I, Sir, is that I am willing to condemn both sides of the conflict (whether or not you believe it's sincere is no concern of mine) when condemnation is in order and I don't assume one side is always right simply because the media is telling me to think that way.

Don't think you have me figured out The Magistrate because you aren't even close...

[The Magistrate]

20. You Do Not Condemn Both Sides, Sir

You uphold one with faint demurs, and denounce another with extravagant exaggerations.

Your comment above, for instance, in which you say 'one side is willing to sell children while the other sends in people to kill them' reveals either blank ignorance or deliberate distortion, since the Boko Haram's attacks on schools and massacres of students are so well known as to amount to their signature endeavor.

Nigeria's government is corrupt to the core, oil companies would be classed as psychopaths if actually persons, and that makes no difference at all, nor does it provide a scintilla of justification or excuse for the conduct of Boko Haram. People engaged in legitimate resistance have the same obligation any armed force does to refrain from criminal breaches of law, and even were one to accept for purposes of argument that Boko Haram was a legitimate resistance, that would not alter the fact that its method is atrocity and its chief tool massacre.

[nyabingi]

23. My point is that

there have been atrocities committed on both sides, massacres from the north on the south and from the south on the north. The quote you mention (about the difference between selling people and killing them) was made because another person stressed "selling" as if it's the worst thing you can do to someone, my point was that both are horrible.

You can accuse me of "extravagant exaggerations", but I can accuse you of ignoring evidence of the Nigerian government's violence against the northerners and being blind to context. Maybe you feel officially sanctioned violence from a government entity is necessarily legitimate? Do you think "criminal breaches of law" is a main concern of any war situation?

[The Magistrate]

26. Your 'Point', Sir, Is That Boko Haram is Not To Blame, The 'West' is

Your comments are quite clear in that regard.

So is your willingness to engage in apologias for atrocity. It matters very much whether a fighting body adheres to the practices of law regarding war; it is a major factor in whether a group can command the political support necessary to prevail beyond a narrow slice of radical support. A group which does not heed this can succeed only by so terrorizing the society it operates in that people do not dare to do anything but acquiesce, and such success can only end in tyranny and oppression which in almost all cases is measurably worse than what was rebelled against. Boko Haram has firmly established itself as a group embarked on the second course.

You are of course free to continue to engage in apologias for them, and to put it bluntly, the more energetically you do so, the more thoroughly you discredit yourself.

[nyabingi]

33. I never said Boko Haram is not to blame...

...did you see me blame someone us? Of course they are to blame - that is not what is in question or even why I commented on it in the first place. If you're saying I said they're not to blame, or implying that they aren't, then you're either a bad reader or a damned liar (my guess would be the latter).

Political support for war is the concern of the political establishment. It is their responsibility to spin whatever atrocities occur on the battlefield out of the view of a public which may raise red flags. The US government did all it can in past wars to cover up massacres, to label all those killed, be they innocent women, men, and children, as "terrorists" or "militants". There are no moral, "rule of law" fighting forces in existence, Magistrate. The only rule in war is kill or be killed, and no one can claim any moral superiority when it comes to killing, whether it's Boko Haram, the Nigerian government or our own.

You are free to continue claiming I'm offering apologies for Boko Haram if you like. You've decided, probably from our back-and-forths over the Ukraine debate that you have me figured out, but I say again, you are way off course.

[The Magistrate]

44. You Gave A Defense, Sir: A List Of Reasons Why They Are Right, And A Claim Others Behaved Worse

You are clearly unable to engage on substance regarding behavior of fighting forces.

We can begin by saying that the line you express makes it impossible for you, if you actually believe it, to denounce any force for atrocious behavior. If 'the only rule is kill or be killed' then you cannot denounce the Nigerian government, it is at war with Boko Haram's rebellion, and free to do anythinmg it pleases, just as the U.S. government is free to do or to have done anything in regards to Islamic radicals or in Viet Nam, just as the crowd in Odessa was perfectly within its rights to burn the building, and did not do one thing wrong, since there was a war between mobs, and 'kill or be killed' is the only rule anyone can be held top.

So the reaction of anyone from here on out to your criticizing the conduct of anyone involved in armed conflict should range from a hearty laugh to an invitation to pull the other finger.

In fact, all wars, and most particularly guerrilla wars and rebellions, are not just military but political struggles, and the behavior of armed forces in them have profound political effects, and can for that matter have some influence on the purely military side of a struggle. Where a guerrilla movement or rebellion aims to gain mass following, it must be very careful to calibrate it use of violence; it must aim well, and do things which will madden the state foe into over-reactions, so that common people come to see the guerrillas as 'better' than the state, as less of a danger to them than the state presents, while at the same time elite elements the state would normally count on for support are brought to disown the state's measures as 'too much'. If a guerrilla or rebel group simply aims to impose itself, it will take a course of attempting to behave more atrociously than the state can or will behave, and if it can manage to continue in existence over such an endeavor, may succeed in bringing about a condition in which it is more feared than the state, at which point it more or less becomes the state, first locally and perhaps later nationally.

Your idea that there is neither political consideration nor moral calculation in the conduct of war is risible, it is the worst sort of comic-book faux hard-boiled 'realism' imaginable, and when it guides policy or thought, always guides it straight into a ditch.

"When idealists come down from their ivory towers, they generally head straight for the gutter."

[nyabingi]

58. OK buddy you've ridden this train into

the Netherworld - almost as if you're arguing with yourself lol.

I have no desire to put any time into discussing the "behavior of fighting forces" - that was a tangent you went on and I followed with a statement or two, but I'll leave it at that. "Kill or be killed" is indeed the name of the game in a war. I doubt any soldier anywhere in the history of world has paused to consider the rules of war when his life was on the line.

[The Magistrate]

60. Your Surrender Is Accepted, Sir

"The wise victor presents his demands in installments."

[cosmicone]

35. false equivalence

boko people are horrible terrorists and should be mowed down with brute force so such heinous acts will not be repeated.

[nyabingi]

38. Haha! OK Rambo, go get 'em!!

[leftynyc]

10. They're selling girls for $12?

It would be nice to just buy them all but that'll just give the animals who are kidnapping them incentive to do it again and again. I wouldn't even blink if this disgusting excuse for a human got hit by a drone.

[nyabingi]

18. How swift it is that unscrupulous Africans

become "animals" worthy of a drone strike. I guess they'll be "mud people" in your next post eh?

[leftynyc]

21. Don't even try pulling that racist bullshit

on me, cupcake. You want to defend the selling of young girls to the disgusting old men that would buy them, knock yourself out. Don't expect me to sit by and and look at any "political" reasons for it as if any excuse would matter. It's disgusting - PERIOD. And so is your defense of it.

[nyabingi]

24. Well stop resorting to offensive racist language

just because you are upset, leftynyc.

Again, no one is defending the selling of little kids. Smh...

[The Magistrate]

27. Actually, Sir, You Are Defending It

"One side is proposing the sell of children while the other side simply sends in the military to kill them - I guess maybe a case can be made that one if preferable to the other?"

We can leave aside the deliberate omission of the signature move of Boko Haram, namely the raiding of a school and the massacre of students caught there, which only confirms the impression you are engaged in grotesque apologias for atrocity by Boko Haram, and simply focus on the fact that, yes you did defend the kidnapping and sale of children by Boko Haram, declaring you could argue its actions were of higher moral character than those of the Nigerian government.

[nyabingi]

36. How is that statement a defense of the kidnap

of little girls, Magistrate?

The point is that both are objectionable and both are worthy of condemnation, neither of "higher moral character" than the other.

You are desperately trying to extract the argument you want to out of my statements, but you have it all wrong. Now I'm sure you're doing this trying to prove a point, but don't try to play dumb to do it - you seem like an intelligent person.

[The Magistrate]

42. You Declared You Could Argue The Nigerian Government did Worse, Sir: That is A Defense

What is being done to you is the worst thing anyone could do: people are quoting you verbatim, and treating you as a person who says what he means and means what he says.

You are defending Boko Haram, and their kidnapping for sale of school-girls.

Own it.

"Better an honest rogue than a lying coward."

[The Magistrate]

56. That Might Impose On People Who Cannot Read, Sir

But here you are stuck in among the literate, who can peruse your own words, and will find it is not I but you who mis-characterize your comments on the matter.

[leftynyc]

31. YOU are defending

it and trying to blame the West for it. It's pathetic.

[maddezmom]

25. Disgusting

as is Jonathan's wife.

[The Magistrate]

28. True On Both Counts, Ma'am

She does seem to be a piece of work.

[maddezmom]

29. The Nigerian gov't is corrupt as we all know but her actions really are out there

[The Magistrate]

32. She Seems To fancy Herself Queen, Ma'am

And invoked lese majeste accordingly, and in a damned disgusting manner and circumstance.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

46. If there was ever a job for the Navy Seals.....

....

[MosheFeingold]

53. Maybe

But I would really like other countries to take the lead sometimes on this kind of thing.

China's economy is bigger than ours; they should do it.

[EX500rider]

69. "China's economy is bigger than ours; they should do it." not even close..

The US economy is about 3 times the Chinese.

And if i had to trust a group of Special Forces to get the girls back ALIVE, I would pick the US over China any day.

[MosheFeingold]

76. Wrong

"The US economy is about 3 times the Chinese."

Nope.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/04/30/china-us-top-economy/8538689/

[EX500rider]

79. Yeah, the US is only 2x now...by GPD- Still not close for 1.3 billion in population to our 310m

Per capita we blow em out of the water of course

US GDP 16 trillion
China GDP 8 trillion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

[Blue_Tires]

72. Doesn't work that way -- It's not a quick-in/quick-out operation...

the girls are reportedly spread out across multiple villages, and many, if most of them aren't even in Nigerian borders anymore...

To say nothing of the fact that proper identification of some girls could be impossible...

[blackspade]

66. Abubakar Shekau is a criminal scumbag

using religion as a tool for his crimes.
Like most other religious leaders IMO.

[EX500rider]

67. Personally i hope US Special Forces hunts them all down and gets all the girls back. n/t

[Beacool]

77. I'm so incensed by this story that I waited days to post about it.

I couldn't get the words out. I'm soooooo fed up with the treatment of girls and women in many parts of the world.

Women are over half of the world population. We are NOT property to be dealt with as men seem fit. Women have been used as pawns since the dawn of time. We have been treated as disposable goods, sold and bartered at will. We have been used as bargaining chips in times of war and raped by every enemy force that has invaded our countries. We have been denied the right to own property, to vote, to get a job, to control our sexuality, to obtain an education and we have even been subjected to mutilations to conform to societal expectations.

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!

[Jefferson23]

78. Sickening. K&R