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Omaha Steve

(99,505 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 10:55 PM Jul 2014

FDA: Powdered caffeine can be lethal

Source: AP-Excite

By MARY CLARE JALONICK and ANN SANNER

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers to avoid pure powdered caffeine sold on the Internet after the death of an Ohio teen.

Even a teaspoon of the powder could be lethal — it is equivalent to 25 cups of coffee. Eighteen-year-old Logan Stiner of LaGrange, Ohio, died May 27 after consuming it.

The FDA said it is investigating caffeine powder and will "consider taking regulatory action." In the meantime, the agency said it is recommending consumers stay away from it.

Teenagers and young adults may be particularly drawn to the powder, which is a stimulant. Caffeine powder is marketed as a dietary supplement and is unregulated, unlike caffeine added to soda.

FULL story at link.



This Jan. 16, 2014, photo shows Keystone High School wrestler Logan Stiner during a match in Sheffield Village, Ohio. The Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers to avoid pure powdered caffeine sold on the Internet after Stiner died after consuming it. Even a teaspoon of the powder could be lethal {2014} it is equivalent to 25 cups of coffee. (AP Photo/Steve Manheim, The Chronicle Telegram)


Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140718/us-caffeine-powder-warning-41344ea233.html




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FDA: Powdered caffeine can be lethal (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jul 2014 OP
Things like this don't help.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #1
Goddamn you Mrs. Olson! Joe Shlabotnik Jul 2014 #5
Marijuana Isn't A Drug billhicks76 Jul 2014 #7
What's that got to do with Fat Freddy's warning about spills? I mean skeeds? I mean peeds? Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #9
It certainly does leave some people substantially disoriented, however . . . Journeyman Jul 2014 #19
Lol billhicks76 Jul 2014 #28
Sad... Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #2
You'd think, but no. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #3
Why should I have to set up a business just to make an occasional batch of caffeinated home-made... JVS Jul 2014 #4
Right on cue. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #22
Well then they would just go overseas Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #27
The kid was a competitive wrestler Mopar151 Jul 2014 #17
I shouldn't have thought twice of it. sofa king Jul 2014 #34
Wrestlers and common sense... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #29
Interesting. Amazon is selling a 1.1 lb bag of pure caffeine for $15 plus shipping. totodeinhere Jul 2014 #6
Or a kilo for 24.99 greyl Jul 2014 #8
Yep. DeSwiss Jul 2014 #20
Ouch. I use Roundup in my yard. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2014 #24
Who would want to consume that much caffeine at one time? herding cats Jul 2014 #10
Well people do develop a tolerance to the drug over time and require more and totodeinhere Jul 2014 #23
the adrenline boost... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #30
Poor kid.. they don't realize shit like this. That's why Regulation is needed. to save lives. Cha Jul 2014 #11
Amen Cha Iliyah Jul 2014 #13
I completely agree. herding cats Jul 2014 #14
Wow! I can't even drink one cup of coffee anymore because Cha Jul 2014 #16
I have switched to English Breakfast tea... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #31
Heard on KNX that mixing energy drinks and alcohol can be lethal Iliyah Jul 2014 #12
Yes, that can be lethal too sakabatou Jul 2014 #15
I worked with a former sub sailor Mopar151 Jul 2014 #18
You can't buy them premixed anymore BadgerKid Jul 2014 #21
I saw that this morning. I had no idea that leftyladyfrommo Jul 2014 #25
Seems like I read a homemade garden spray packman Jul 2014 #26
For years, I have been taking two caffeine pills a day, RebelOne Jul 2014 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #33
Welcome to DU surrealAmerican Jul 2014 #35
Back in the late 70's... CanSocDem Jul 2014 #36
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
1. Things like this don't help....
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jul 2014


To drag up an oldie but a goodie: Speed KILLS.

Or:



Please folks.

Don't end up on a slab.
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
7. Marijuana Isn't A Drug
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 12:19 AM
Jul 2014

And all that used it to imprison and fleece the public while ruining families and futures should have to come before a tribunal. Not only is Cannabis not a drug and is an herb/flower but it is also a beneficial healing herb of unfathomable proportions where it's ability to target and destroy cancer cells is limitless. Too bad for BigPharma who knew this and his it to profit off our suffering.

Journeyman

(15,026 posts)
19. It certainly does leave some people substantially disoriented, however . . .
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 02:19 AM
Jul 2014

they then carry on as if they were making perfect sense, unaware the topic they've undertaken is totally unrelated to what the rest of the room is discussing. But they're happy, and should be left alone, especially by those who would seek to profit off them.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
2. Sad...
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 11:14 PM
Jul 2014

You'd think common sense would kick in (even for teenagers) before putting unknown substances in their systems...Hopefully some will learn the lessons from this tragedy...

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. You'd think, but no.
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 11:17 PM
Jul 2014

All you'll get is people up in arms if you dare to suggest that just maybe pure caffeine powder is something that shouldn't just be sold to any given person online, but should require the purchaser to actually be a business that is regulated in terms of how it uses the product.

JVS

(61,935 posts)
4. Why should I have to set up a business just to make an occasional batch of caffeinated home-made...
Fri Jul 18, 2014, 11:28 PM
Jul 2014

soft drinks?

A warning label should suffice.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
27. Well then they would just go overseas
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jul 2014

I remember a decade ago a couple of high school baseball stars died trying to bulk up from racehorse steroids(!!) bought through the mail from Mexico, iirc...

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
17. The kid was a competitive wrestler
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 02:12 AM
Jul 2014

Coaches and peers are on them to "make weight" constantly, as the ideal is to wrestle a class below your normal, healthy weight. FWIW, "common sense" and "teenager" have little more than a passing relationship. Given all the various supplements, boosters and burners on the shelf at GNC and the like, good 'ol caffeine sounds safe as houses!

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
34. I shouldn't have thought twice of it.
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 08:07 AM
Jul 2014

Part of what makes me so fortunate today is the experience of having survived an improbable--and improbably long--list of dangers that could easily have killed a less lucky person.

That risk-taking, however, did not compare at all to the death-defying decisions I made on a daily basis as a high-schooler. Sadly those days lent little to the wisdom I have today because back then I already knew everything, and therefore I learned nothing.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
29. Wrestlers and common sense...
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jul 2014

do not seem to co-exist. I couldn't believe some of the things the wrestlers in high school would do to lose weight prior to weigh ins. They made football players look sane.

totodeinhere

(13,057 posts)
6. Interesting. Amazon is selling a 1.1 lb bag of pure caffeine for $15 plus shipping.
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 12:08 AM
Jul 2014

Their reviewers give it 4.5 stars. There are 71 five star votes, 15 four star votes and only 7 one star votes.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
10. Who would want to consume that much caffeine at one time?
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 12:41 AM
Jul 2014

I'm not trying to make light of this youth's death. It's just that's a lot of caffeine. No one would want to be near me if I had the equivalent of 25 cups of coffee! I'd be posting in very forum and group on DU if I consumed that amount in one setting! I may be slightly irritating now, but with that amount no member here would have a doubt any longer as to the level of my irritation.

totodeinhere

(13,057 posts)
23. Well people do develop a tolerance to the drug over time and require more and
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 10:19 AM
Jul 2014

more for the same fix. As a caffeine addict myself, I used to be fine with one cup of coffee but now I usually have three cups just to get my day going and then more later. But 25 cups? I agree that is a bit much. And of course the youth's death is a tragedy.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
14. I completely agree.
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 01:27 AM
Jul 2014

That's an insane amount in a tiny portion. Our bodies cannot deal with those vast amounts at one time. People need to think about this in relation to the most cups of coffee they've ever had in few hours. So far, mine is 10 cups in five hours. Which is a vast amount and I have a tolerance. It still left me shaky and I'm not ashamed to say weird. This is from an otherwise healthy person. Caffeine may help you focus a bit in small doses for, say your finals, but it's not something to abuse like this. At best you're going to lose your edge and become odd, at worst you'll lose your life like this poor person. It's a lose-lose situation.

Regulation is the key. That's what our government is there for, to keep those of us who don't understand the dangers from killing ourselves just because the means is out there.

Cha

(296,873 posts)
16. Wow! I can't even drink one cup of coffee anymore because
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 01:35 AM
Jul 2014

I'm so sensitive to caffeine. But, although everyone is different.. this is no way to take a chance to see what your capabilities for caffeine are. Poor thing.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
12. Heard on KNX that mixing energy drinks and alcohol can be lethal
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 12:51 AM
Jul 2014

or maybe I heard it wrong and this is what they were reporting.

Mopar151

(9,975 posts)
18. I worked with a former sub sailor
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 02:17 AM
Jul 2014

Who started Sundays with "Navy coffee" (with a big slug of rum). If he stayed with it all day, Monday morning looked like the wrath of a vengeful God.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,866 posts)
25. I saw that this morning. I had no idea that
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 10:36 AM
Jul 2014

you could even buy caffeine like that.

I get jittery on not very much caffeine. Can't imagine what a teaspoon full of that stuff would be like.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
26. Seems like I read a homemade garden spray
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jul 2014

used powdered caffeine along with tabasco sauce , tobacco water (tobacco infused water) and other shit to kill bugs in your garden.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
32. For years, I have been taking two caffeine pills a day,
Sat Jul 19, 2014, 05:37 PM
Jul 2014

and have had no adverse effects. I do not drink coffee anymore because a caffeine pill work faster.

Response to Omaha Steve (Original post)

surrealAmerican

(11,358 posts)
35. Welcome to DU
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 08:15 AM
Jul 2014

I need to ask, are you seriously suggesting that "nicotine, alcohol, prescription drugs, caffeine" should be outlawed? ... or does dosage matter?

Have you considered our history when suggesting outlawing alcohol?

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
36. Back in the late 70's...
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 10:04 AM
Jul 2014


...there was a booming business of caffeine pills in the trucking industry. They were legal, cheap and available. Local dealers were franchised and full page ads in the truck rags with phone numbers would bring these dealers to the truck stop with their sample packs and off-menu items.

The original manufacturer made millions, as I remember but disappeared after the trucking industry decided that the popularity of "speed" drugs was bad for its image. No industry wants it publicly known that 'drugs' are required to do their jobs.

Just the same, it wasn't more than a few years before another 'speed' drug became legal and widely available at gas stations and truck stops across the country usually at the cash register. Ephedrine was marketed as an asthma drug or something....but quickly became a prime ingredient of illegal, home made what was generically known as CRANK.


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