Black Boxes Found

[Tripper11]

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Source: Canadian Press

**>NewsAlert<** (EU-Ukraine-Plane)
DONESK, Ukraine - Black boxes found, will be given to
international aviation authority, rebel leader in Ukraine says.

More coming.

(The Canadian Press)

Only link I could find, from ABC...not much to it either.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-rebels-bodies-plane-crash-site-unknown-location-24636707

[OKNancy]

1. Please post a link

Thanks, Nancy
LBN host

[pinboy3niner]

2. Reuters distributed a video appearing to show a rescue worker carrying a black box

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CNN aired the video, noting that it's from 2 days ago. But the report sounded like it was a government rescue worker, and that the black box would be in the hands of the Ukraine government, not the separatist rebels.

ETA VIDEO of CNN report:
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/07/20/nd-mh17-malaysia-black-box.cnn.html

[MADem]

19. Malaysia plane crash in Ukraine: Black box likely in separatist hands

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-malaysia-plane-crash-mh17-black-box-20140720-story.html

The mystery over the whereabouts of the black box of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 seemed to clear up—a little—on Sunday when video surfaced of separatist emergency workers coming upon the device in a field in eastern Ukraine.

Malaysia Airlines plane crashes in eastern Ukraine
A man inspects tail debris Sunday at the main crash site of the Boeing 777 Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, which crashed in eastern Ukraine. (Igor Kovalenko/ European Pressphoto Agency)
Reuters posted the video, initially taken Friday, of one worker calling out “flight recorder” in Russian and appearing to hold the orange-colored apparatus that records a plane’s movements and cockpit voices. The device hadn't been found since the plane went down in a missile attack over eastern Ukraine last Thursday.

An earlier report on Russian radio that it had been discovered and sent to Moscow had been discredited. The Ukrainian government had also previously released transcripts of an unconfirmed audio intercept, dated Friday, in which a pro-Russia separatist leader tells a soldier that he should find the box because “Moscow wants this.”

Volodomyr Groysman, the Ukrainian vice prime minister who is overseeing the crash site, was at first coy when a reporter asked him about the device at a briefing Sunday afternoon. “What happened to the black box is very difficult to say,” he said. Pressed by another journalist a few minutes later, Groysman acknowledged that the recording devices that comprise the so-called box had probably made their way into separatist hands.

“We do not have them in our possession,” he said. “The suspicion is they were captured by the terrorists,” he said, using the government’s word for the pro-Russia paramilitary units based in Donetsk and other parts of eastern Ukraine.....

[longship]

3. According to experts, they'll likely not be too helpful in this case.

But I am glad that the boxes were recovered, and will be turned over to experts.

R&K

[BlueEye]

8. It *might* help determine which direction the missile came from, since the FDR may indicate...

a distinct course alteration in the instant after impact. For example, if the left wing is blown off but the rest of the airframe is intact, the aircraft will enter into a violent right bank. This might hint the missile came from an eastern direction (ie, rebel controlled). If the missile made a direct hit on the fuselage however, the in-flight breakup would have been so dramatic, that the FDR won't be much help. We shall see...

[Amonester]

9. Although these missiles don't have to actually "touch" any part of an airplane...

to break it apart. A relatively short-distance detonation would suffice to open up a breach large enough for a sudden decompression explosion in flight.

[BlueEye]

12. Definitely.

I read somewhere that the SA-11 Buk is equipped with something called a "Continuous-rod warhead". Wikipedia explains it quite well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous-rod_warhead

It's basically designed to explode in proximity to the aircraft and slice it in half like a hot knife through butter. Humanity's ability to kill one another never ceases to amaze

[longship]

10. Yes, maybe.

But I think they already know who did it. The voice recorder might be interesting, too. Did the pilots see anything before the missile hit? However, at Mach 3 there wouldn't be much time.

Regards.

[BlueEye]

11. I agree. At this point, they're just looking for evidence to reinforce their position.

It reminds me of the Syria chemical weapons situation. Assad definitely used Sarin, it was pretty much obvious the moment it happened and those horrible videos were published. But it was still necessary to collect evidence and for the UN to make an "official" ruling on it.

[Spouting Horn]

14. This morning Kerry (on CNN)

said the missile was tracked and originated from rebel-held areas.

[Helen Borg]

13. They'll just show

Everything good at time t and all going to hell at time t+1, I think.

[longship]

15. Yup, but I think they already have that info from other sources.

The intelligence has been good on this deal, apparently. But the boxes would confirm it.

[Cooperstown]

4. Ukraine Rebels Find Black Boxes, Hand Them Over To Aviation Group

Ukraine Rebels Find Black Boxes, Hand Them Over To Aviation Group

HRABOVE, Ukraine (AP) — A separatist leader in eastern Ukraine says rebels have recovered the black boxes for the downed Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

Alexander Borodai said Sunday that the devices would be handed over to the International Civil Aviation Organization.

He also said the bodies recovered from the crash site in eastern Ukraine would remain in refrigerated containers at a train station in the town of Torez until the arrival of an international aviation delegation.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/black-boxes-located-malaysian-plane

[dipsydoodle]

6. Similar reported elsewhere.

They will NOT hand them over to Kiev - ICAO only.

[Igel]

7. And then another denied having them.

Same old, same old.

Kiev also, at once point, said they had the black boxes. Then said they didn't.

I'll wait until I see video of somebody in the Ukr or "rebel" hierarchy holding a black box with various experts around him pointing at it and saying, "That is one of the black boxes."

Alternatively, an international agency or government not involved with the fighting could just make an announcement saying it has them.

[KoKo]

17. Remember...they are Orange Boxes not "Black" and photos of them amongst

wreckage have been posted by Guardian and everyone else in media with camera of them on the ground. So...no one rushed into that disaster and scooped them up, sent them to Putin where he opened and confiscated everything within.

They were found, photos showed and there were enough international press and others on the ground shortly after that it wasn't "Russian Separatists who stole them and put them in an "unmarked van" to spirit them to the dreaded Putin who put them in a Kremlin vault where the West can't get to them.

Sheesh...like folks think that the world is still doting on "0007 James Bond Movies" or something.

[Blue_Tires]

18. I thought separatists had been restricting access to the crash site?

It might have changed now, but even the BBC said Saturday that they were only allowed partial access

[MADem]

21. They have been, and all of Europe (and the rest of the world) is screaming at them.

Supposedly they are going to "allow" an international team in...

[MADem]

20. The separatists have the flight data recorder.

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-malaysia-plane-crash-mh17-black-box-20140720-story.html

That person holding the black/orange box was speaking Russian.

[davidpdx]

16. The boxes need to eventually go to Malaysian Airlines as they own them

Though the processing will have to be done by someone who has the expertise. Several European countries have that ability.