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herding cats

(19,558 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:36 PM Jul 2014

Separate U.S. appeals court upholds subsidies under Obama health law

Source: Reuters

Contrary to the D.C. Circuit decision today, the 4th Circuit upholds the Obamacare federal exchange subsidy. Maybe the Obama admin knew about the opinion, which would explain why it was so confident subsidies would flow pending court cases.

This all but guarantees the Supreme Court will take the case since there is a split in the Circuits.

From the opinion intro (emphasis added):
The plaintiffs-appellants bring this suit challenging the validity of an Internal Revenue Service (“IRS”) final rule implementing the premium tax credit provision of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (the “ACA” or “Act”). The final rule interprets the ACA as authorizing the IRS to grant tax credits to individuals who purchase health insurance on both state-run insurance “Exchanges” and federally-facilitated “Exchanges” created and operated by the Department of Health and Human Services (“HHS”). The plaintiffs contend that the IRS’s interpretation is contrary to the language of the statute, which, they assert, authorizes tax credits only for individuals who purchase insurance on state-run Exchanges. For reasons explained below, we find that the applicable statutory language is ambiguous and subject to multiple interpretations. Applying deference to the IRS’s determination, however, we uphold the rule as a permissible exercise of the agency’s discretion. We thus affirm the judgment of the district court.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/22/usa-court-obamacare-fourthcircuit-idUSL2N0PX1CS20140722



It looks like the next stop is the SC.

I'll update with more shortly. The full opinion is at the above link.

Split decision! Fed appeals courts disagree on Obamacare subsidies

In a dramatic split decision, two federal appeals court panels on Tuesday disagreed on whether billions of dollars of government subsidies that helped 4.7 million people buy insurance on HealthCare.gov are lega,

A panel of federal appeals court that covers Washington. D.C., ruled in a 2-1 decision that the subsidies are illegal. But about two hours later, the federal Fourth Circuit appeals court's own panel hearing a similar challenge in a 3-0 ruling said the subsidies are legal.

The split could lead to the US Supreme Court taking up the issue soon.

Earlier Tuesday, in the DC circuit , the judicial panel said such subsidies can be granted only to people who bought insurance in an Obamacare exchange run by an individual state or the District of Columbia—not on the federally run exchange HealthCare.gov.

The ruling relied on a close reading of language in the Affordable Care Act.

"Section 36B plainly makes subsidies available in the Exchanges established by states," wrote Senior Circuit Judge Raymond Randolph, who was joined by Judge Thomas Griffith in the majority decision on the case known as Halbig v. Burwell.

"We reach this conclusion, frankly, with reluctance. At least until states that wish to can set up their own Exchanges, our ruling will likely have significant consequences both for millions of individuals receiving tax credits through federal Exchanges and for health insurance markets more broadly."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065



D.C. Appeals Court Overturns Subsidies For Fed Exchange; Fourth Circuit Takes Different View

A three-judge panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington ruled Tuesday that subsidies may not be offered in the federal health exchange. The decision overturned a lower court ruling. Hours later the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals offered its own decision, which upholds the Obama administration's arguments that subsidies can be applied in the federal exchange.

You can read the U.S. Appeals Court for the District of Columbia's decision here, and the decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit here.

Check back as we continue to update our summary of the day's coverage.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2014/July/22/halbig-decision.aspx


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Separate U.S. appeals court upholds subsidies under Obama health law (Original Post) herding cats Jul 2014 OP
K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2014 #1
I believe SCOTUS will uphold this, universally. onehandle Jul 2014 #2
Fucking over the poor and middle class is what the fascist five live for! santamargarita Jul 2014 #14
You should put that slogan on a bumper sticker perdita9 Jul 2014 #15
Yup geomon666 Jul 2014 #20
K & R Iliyah Jul 2014 #3
They hate people who are not like them and those who don't think like them. stillwaiting Jul 2014 #5
LOL ,LOL!!!!! well that didn't take long bigdarryl Jul 2014 #4
Funny how the Huffington Post still hasn't got this front page bigdarryl Jul 2014 #6
That's good news! I hope the supremes go along. Jim__ Jul 2014 #7
Legal Insurrection is a right wing blog. Could you edit it out please? alp227 Jul 2014 #8
Happily! herding cats Jul 2014 #9
awesome! thanks nt alp227 Jul 2014 #10
It appears there was a drafting problem with the ACA.... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #11
This will surely end up at the Supreme Court... Roberts just might rule in favor of ACA groundloop Jul 2014 #12
But remember..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #13
So secondvariety Jul 2014 #16
Even if (and this is a big if) I believe that the administration McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #19
No, the next step is that the DC Circuit will reverse en banc . . . markpkessinger Jul 2014 #17
I hope Kennedy is listening to the Pope McCamy Taylor Jul 2014 #18
Kick! Thank you for the update, herding cats! Cha Jul 2014 #21

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. K & R
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:41 PM
Jul 2014

I have come to the conclusion that the GOP, Libertarians and the far far right tea nuts hate America!

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
5. They hate people who are not like them and those who don't think like them.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jul 2014

They literally won't lose a minute's sleep if people live or die over something that is easily preventable.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
6. Funny how the Huffington Post still hasn't got this front page
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jul 2014

They still got the first ruling up as MAJOR BREAKING!! news.

alp227

(32,015 posts)
8. Legal Insurrection is a right wing blog. Could you edit it out please?
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jul 2014

Especially since you link to better sources in the comment section. thx

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
11. It appears there was a drafting problem with the ACA....
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jul 2014

From what I have read the relevant section of the ACA states that the subsidies are available (paraphrasing here) for customers who purchased their insurance on the STATE exchange(s).

So we have the D.C. Circuit that, if the drafting is as I have understood it, is technically correct. And probably the 4th Circuit that may have the view that while this may be in the text, Congressional intent with (a) offering a federal exchange as an alternative to a state exchange when the state doesn't create one and (b) offering subsidies when income isn't sufficient to pay for the premiums justifies allowing the premiums.

If this is a drafting problem we will never get the correction through Congress. Let's hope more Circuits, faced with challenges, will side with the 4th Circuit. Ultimately this will likely be decided by the SCOTUS. We know we have 4 justices that hate anything about it. When would this case come before them? Would Roberts side with a liberal majority? Would Justice Ginsburg be on the court and if not who would have replaced her?

There is a lot that hangs in the balance. I wish we had gotten a single payer system from day one but we knew that would never have passed Congress.

groundloop

(11,517 posts)
12. This will surely end up at the Supreme Court... Roberts just might rule in favor of ACA
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jul 2014

Roberts vote essentially upheld the Affordable Care Act the first time it faced a serious Supreme Court challenge, it seems that he'd likely stay on the same course.

I wholeheartedly agree that we need single payer, but at least the ACA was a step in the right direction and I'd hate like hell to have that taken away.
 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
13. But remember.....
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jul 2014

The last case before the SCOTUS posed the question whether the individual mandate in the form of a tax (penalty) was constitutional. The whole scheme rises and falls on whether or not the federal government can require an individual to acquire health insurance or be subject to a fine.

Roberts sided with the majority in ruling this was a tax and was constitutional under Congress' taxing authority specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

This case involves a totally different question - whether or not subsidies, paid for by the federal government, are allowed under the ACA when an individual purchases insurance on the federal exchange rather than a state exchange.

So Roberts may believe the individual mandate is constitutional under the taxing authority but may agree the drafters state the subsidies only apply to those purchasing on state exchanges.

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
16. So
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jul 2014

this could screw people in states (like Florida) that don't have an exchange. A dude on NPR said if the subsidies are found to be illegal, those who have gotten them might have to pay them back.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
17. No, the next step is that the DC Circuit will reverse en banc . . .
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jul 2014

. . . and then there will be no conflict between the two circuit court rulings.

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