Gaza conflict Ceasefire crumbles as Israeli, Hamas trade fire hours after agreed 72-hour truce began

[maddezmom]

Source: ABC

The Israeli military has told people in the Gaza Strip it is resuming operations in the Palestinian territory after armed groups "flagrantly violated" an agreed ceasefire.

The Palestinian Interior Ministry says Israeli shelling near the southern Gaza town of Rafah killed at least 25 people, while hospital workers near the town put the death toll at 40.

Israel has accused Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups of violating the US and UN-mediated truce, but did not elaborate, amid Israeli media reports that gunmen had fired at Israeli soldiers in the Rafah area.

An official in Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said Hamas and other armed groups in the Gaza Strip had "flagrantly violated the ceasefire".


Read more: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-01/shots-fired-after-72-hour-ceasefire-begins/5642344

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Israel kills 4 despite ceasefire, after 16 killed in hours before
Published today (updated) 01/08/2014 13:00


GAZA CITY (Ma'an) -- Four Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip by Israeli forces on Friday, only hours after a 72-hour ceasefire between Israel and Hamas came into effect.

Ahmad Muhammad Hasanein, was shot dead by Israeli soldiers in eastern Gaza City, while the bodies of Bassel Diab al-Bsyuni, 37, and an unidentified man were brought to Kamal Adwan hospital as a result of Israeli fire.

Shadi Muhammad Jumaa Abu Daher, 29, from al-Mughraqa, was also killed by Israeli fire.

A Ma'an correspondent in Gaza said that three were wounded after Israeli artillery fired several shells east of Rafah, in what appears to have been the first violation of the ceasefire by Israeli forces about two hours in.

In the eastern Gaza Strip, meanwhile, Israeli soldiers opened fire on Palestinian civilians who attempted to reach their homes in areas near the border.

After the Israeli attacks, sirens were heard at the Kerem Shalom border crossing with Israel, presumably as Palestinian militants fired rockets in response to the alleged Israeli violation.

Before the 72-hour ceasefire came into effect at 8 a.m., Israeli shelling on the Gaza Strip had already killed 16 Palestinians across the Gaza Strip since midnight.

The deaths brought the total since the beginning of the offensive to 1,461 and more than 8,400 injured, after hopes were raised that the three-day break in fighting could lead to a long-term end to Israel's 24-day assault that has displaced around 400,000 people, or 1 in 4 Gazans.

The ceasefire was announced early Friday by US Secretary of State John Kerry, who said that although forces would stay in place on the ground, the ceasefire was "critical" to giving civilians a "reprieve from the violence."

More:http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717319

Gaza truce evaporates in hours as Israel fears soldier captured

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/israel-palestinian-militant-groups-begin-three-day-gaza-truce/article19885087/



Depressing

[azurnoir]

1. well.......... eta

Israel shells Rafah during ceasefire, after 16 killed in hours before

Three Palestinians were wounded by Israeli artillery shelling east of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip on Friday, two hours after a 72-hour ceasefire between Israel and Hamas came into effect.

A Ma'an correspondent in Gaza said that Israeli artillery fired several shells east of Rafah, in what appears to be the first violation of the ceasefire by Israeli forces.

In the eastern Gaza Strip, meanwhile, Israeli soldiers opened fire on Palestinian civilians who attempted to reach their homes in areas near the border.

After the Israeli attacks, sirens were heard in Kerem Shalom in Israel, presumably as Palestinian militants fired rockets in response to the alleged Israeli violation of the ceasefire.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717319

additionally

At least 27 dead and 200 injured as Israel shells east Rafah

The Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza said on Friday that at least 27 Palestinians had been killed and more than 200 injured in Israeli shelling and airstrikes on Rafah that took place after intense clashes broke out east of the city.

The ministry stressed that ambulances and medical crews are not able to enter the areas under attack, and that all means of communications had been cut off in the area.

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=717369

as far as who started it I want to see what the Palestinian side says officially

[maddezmom]

2. I am going to add this to my OP....

[azurnoir]

3. I added more too deaths in Rafah

[maddezmom]

4. Mark Regev in CNN now says cease fire is over

[azurnoir]

7. it's so effed up ;(

and now there are reports of an IDF soldier being captured in both Israeli and Palestinian news sites

[maddezmom]

9. I really had high hopes yesterday

All evaporated this am.

[Marrah_G]

10. watching livefeeds. it certainly is

Can see explosions, smoke and hear the jets.

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. Probably impossible to know who shot first; here's the Reuters report, FWIW

Some two hours after the truce went into effect, Israeli tanks and artillery opened fire in the southern Rafah area, and a local hospital said 40 people were killed.

The Israeli military had no immediate comment but media reports said the shelling began after Hamas fighters exchanged fire with Israeli soldiers on a mission to destroy infiltration tunnels.

Eight rockets and mortar bombs were fired from Gaza at Israel, the military said, adding that one was intercepted by the Iron Dome system and seven hit open areas.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/01/us-mideast-gaza-idUSKBN0G008720140801

[maddezmom]

8. Agreed. Each side will say the other started it.

[countryjake]

6. Reporter on the ground in Gaza says nothing came from Hamas...

according to what they saw. He said all was quiet as they were watching Israeli tanks maneuvering, then they suddenly began shelling.

It's the Aussie on CNN, Karl Penhaul; he even had video.

Now Regev is on there scrambling to do damage control with Wolfie. So much doublespeak, if it wasn't so sad and outrageous, it'd be funny.

35 more Palestinians killed now, more than one hundred wounded, 3 hours after the ceasefire began this morning.


IDF now reporting that an Israeli soldier has been taken prisoner. His family has been notified. Two other IDF soldiers killed.

Heavy shelling happening now down at Rafah.

Shit is about to hit the fan within the next few hours. The ceasefire is over.

Israeli soldiers were clearing a tunnel when they cornered two Hamas fighters. One of them detonated a suicide bomb. This happened one and a half hours into the ceasefire.



Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions
Free Palestine!

[leftynyc]

11. I'm sure hamas

appreciates that so many hear suck up whatever that terrorist organization has to say.

[starroute]

13. Nothing in the post you're replying to comes from Hamas

It cites a CNN reporter and the IDF.

However, there does appear to have been a bug in the ceasefire agreement from the start, since Israel apparently felt no compulsion to stop destroying Hamas tunnels. Think what you will of Hamas, it's very hard to imagine them just sitting back for three days and letting that proceed.

[Rhinodawg]

14. Every reporter there probably is told what to say...

Or else.

That's been shown already.

"You didn't see those 8 Quassams....no,you only saw Israeli rockets"

[leftynyc]

15. One reporter has already admitted that

An Italian paper, I believe. And yet so many here will lap up their words as if they're gospel.

[alsame]

18. The international

press is in cahoots with Hamas?

[seveneyes]

19. No, under threat of death and destruction, Hamas can tell reporters what to say

Hamas is an outlaw terrorist crew. Laws do not apply to them.

[alsame]

21. So the international press is

completely unreliable because they are reporting under death threats. I see.

[Ed Suspicious]

20. It's bizarro world here. The blood of children is only on the hands of the victims who are asking

for it. The international press is out to get Israel. etc. etc.

[alsame]

23. It's actually kind of sad

the way some people have to twist themselves into pretzels to justify the slaughter.

[Iamthetruth]

25. Sorry

Where posting about the blood of the same Palestinian children when their parents strapped suicide vests on them and sent them on crowded Israeli busses to die?

[maddezmom]

26. When did this happen?

[Iamthetruth]

28. From 2000 - 2005

Check out Amnasty International and the Colalition to stop the use of Child Soldiers.

[maddezmom]

29. So not now. I am concerned with the present happenings.

[AnalystInParadise]

34. Ahhhh I understand

it hurts your argument, so the past is irrelevant When it helps your argument, the past is prologue. I understand now.

[maddezmom]

35. What argument?

I have not picked sides in this.

[AnalystInParadise]

37. No need to respond

I understand your point completely.

[maddezmom]

38. Yeah, okay

WTFever

[frylock]

31. how about in this decade?

[Iamthetruth]

43. I don't need to

TE wall Israel built was to stop that and for the most part it did. Don't come crying to me about the deaths of Palestinian children. It is horrible that they die but it's hamas that is making it happen, then and now.

[frylock]

44. domestic abusers often blame their victims

[tridim]

27. Probably on Obama's orders too!!!!!111

[frylock]

30. so the aussie reporter is an hamas suck up?

get fucking real.

[countryjake]

12. You talkin' to me?

Sorry if my watching CNN troubles you so.

[Igel]

16. But Penhaul's video wasn't all-inclusive.

I mean, it didn't film the entirety of the border for the 30 or 60 minutes before the tanks began shelling. So his video can't show that there was nothing that preceded it. His evidence doesn't entail his conclusion.

In fact, if a mortar round or 5 hit Israel, the response might be fired from a mile away. If there was gunfire exchange and he didn't hear or notice the gunfire he might easily not see or film it. All he'd see was the reaction and not the initial action, and either foolishly assume that what he saw is all there is or let his viewers make the assumption. It's a common human failing. It's hard to take into account what you don't know; it's hard to imagine likely things that would change the context for what you do know. It's very hard to even think to do these things when you already know the conclusion you want to reach because it confirms what you already think or believe.

"It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."

[seveneyes]

17. Here is a reporter in Gaza when Hamas touches off a terror rocket

[frylock]

45. are their any videos of Israel's cuddle missles?

[blackspade]

22. So, again, civilians pay for it...

When two groups of terrorists violate a cease fire.

[Iamthetruth]

24. Pretty one sided headline

Israel did not not violate the cease fire hamas did and in case you are not keeping count, that is now SIX cease fires that hamas has violated. An hour into the ceasefire hamas terrorists come through a terror tunnel build with money for hospitals and schools and kidnap an Israeli soldier.

There is only one way this stops forever and that is the elimination of hamas. That will free the Palestinian people from their war lords.

[frylock]

32. link?

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. Ooh, that smells familiar. Are you still n class?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/08/14/israel-pay-students-propaganda_n_3755782.html

Israel To Pay Students For Pro-Israeli Social Media Propaganda
The Huffington Post UK | By Lucy Sherriff
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Posted: 14/08/2013 16:33 BST Updated: 14/08/2013 16:46 BST Print Article FACEBOOK

Israel has announced it will pay university students to circulate pro-Israeli information on social media networks, without having to identify themselves as working for the government.

The move was publicised in a statement from Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office, the Associated Press reported. Students will receive scholarships to "engage international audiences online" and combat anti-Semitism and calls to boycott Israel, it was alleged.

In 2012, a Palestinian-run blog reported similar arrangements between the National Union of Israeli Students and the Israeli government. Students would be paid $2,000 to post pro-Israel messages online for five hours a week.

According to Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz, the most recent proposition is being spearheaded by Danny Seaman, who was slammed by the media for writing anti-Muslim messages on Facebook.

Students will be organised into units at each university, with a chief co-ordinator who receives a full scholarship, three desk co-ordinators for language, graphics and research who receive lesser scholarships and students termed “activists” who will receive a “minimal scholarship”, the Independent reported.

[Iamthetruth]

42. Grumpy

I'm a 48 year old man that has done business all over the world, take your condensending attitude to someone you can intimidate, I'm not hat person. I have seen what anti semitism can lead to, I've visited the death camps, I have seen the numbers on the arms, I've heard the stories. I will never forget and I won't let you forget it either.

[frylock]

46. this has fuckall to do with the holocaust

[frylock]

49. your short posting history shows me everything i need to know

[Iamthetruth]

53. And that is what

That I have other thu gs todo than post on message boards all the time. Or is it that you don't believe democrats can have other views than yours.

[frylock]

54. i was referring to the quality of your posts, rather than the quantity..

perhaps it's time for you to run along and do those other things.

[Fozzledick]

33. The really sick thing is Hamas will consider this a great victory.

This is what they've been after all along, and they don't give a fuck how many Palestinian civilians get killed in the process.

[Rhinodawg]

36. No they don't give a shit about their own people.

Hamas will lie, cheat, commit atrocities , war crimes.

And they don't care how many Palestinians are killed.
In fact better visuals.

[Comrade Grumpy]

40. You two enjoy your little conversation. Keep convincing each other you're on the side of the angels.

[Rhinodawg]

41. You may want to argue with Ban ki Moon.

You really need to go to gaza.
Hamas will really appreciate it.

[frylock]

50. Ban ki-Moon: ‘It is outrageous. It is unjustifiable’

<snip>

UN Secretary-General Ban ki-Moon was incensed yesterday at the deaths of at least 15 Palestinians among thousands sheltering at a school whose UN administrator said appeared to have been hit by Israeli artillery.

“It is outrageous. It is unjustifiable. And it demands accountability and justice,” Mr Ban said.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/ban-ki-moon-it-is-outrageous-it-is-unjustifiable-1.1883637

[frylock]

51. Gaza: nothing more shameful than attacking sleeping children, says Ban Ki-moon - video

UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon issues a statement on Gaza, during his visit to Costa Rica, after a school in the Palestinian territory, being used to shelter families, was shelled by Israeli forces on Wednesday. At least 15 people, mostly children and women, died when the school in Jabaliya refugee camp was hit by five shells during a night of relentless bombardment across the territory. More than 100 people were injured

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jul/30/gaza-israel-shameful-attacking-sleeping-children-ban-ki-moon-video

[frylock]

52. U.N. Secretary-General Escalates Criticism of Gaza Operations

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon leveled his strongest criticism yet of Israel's military operation in Gaza on Monday, accusing Israel of "pummeling" Gazans with "indiscriminate destruction" and warning Israel to fulfill its obligations as an "occupying power" to protect civilians.

Mr. Ban stopped short of accusing Israel of targeting civilians, but he said that "every home, every school, every refuge" had become a target.

He told reporters in New York that the Israeli bombardment had raised questions of the "proportionality" of Israel's military operation.

"The people of Gaza have nowhere to run," Mr. Ban said. "They are trapped, besieged on a speck of land. Every area is a civilian area. Every home, every school, every refuge has become a target. The causalities and damage raises serious concerns about proportionality."

<more>

http://online.wsj.com/articles/u-n-secretary-general-escalates-criticism-of-gaza-operations-1406562356

[defacto7]

47. There's no doubt there are conflicting reports.

I just heard one on NPR one on CNN one I read in AlJazeera, and ones here in this thread.

I am not getting into a news fight. The information conflicts so I would suggest we stand back and keep reading ALL reliable sources till someone gets it as right as we can possibly know. Anything else would be spreading a subjective point of view.

Right now, it seems people are fighting about news sources rather than have information that allows an argument of the conflict, because there is no objective position available.... yet.