Poll: Mass. Democrats would back Clinton over Warren

[DonViejo]

Source: The Boston Globe

By Jim O’Sullivan | GLOBE STAFF AUGUST 25, 2014

More than three times as many Massachusetts Democrats would vote for Hillary Clinton if she ran for president in 2016 than would back the state’s senior senator, Elizabeth Warren, according to a poll released Monday by Suffolk University and The Boston Herald.

Clinton, the former secretary of state and first lady, would garner 55 percent of the vote among 400 Massachusetts Democrats likely to vote in next month’s gubernatorial primary, while Warren -- who has repeatedly said that she is not running for president -- would curry 17.25 percent. Vice President Joe Biden drew just 7.75 percent of the vote. Warren would be the second choice of 27 percent of those polled, while Biden would get almost 24 percent of the back-up vote.

Warren unseated former Republican senator Scott Brown in 2012, with a winning margin of 8 percentage points. On the same ballot, President Obama beat Mitt Romney, the state’s former governor, by 23 percentage points. Warren has disavowed on multiple occasions interest in running for president, but has not foreclosed entirely on the option.

The same poll shows Attorney General Martha Coakley leading the gubernatorial primary with more than 42 percent of the vote, with Treasurer Steve Grossman at 30 percent -- portraying a race significantly closer than a series of public polls have showed. Coakley advisers have acknowledged they expect the race to tighten as the Sept. 9 primary draws near and Grossman’s on-air presence has outpaced Coakley’s.

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Read more: http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/08/25/mass-democrats-would-back-hillary-clinton-over-elizabeth-warren/ovPP3acnx3hxRTVFz9D4uK/story.html

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The Poll:

http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/8_25_2014_democratic_marginals.pdf

[Helen Borg]

1. Wow. Disappointed...

[Xipe Totec]

13. Why? Warren is not running. Ma voters more than any others are keenly aware of that. nt

[Helen Borg]

17. What's the point of the poll? If she does not run, she won't be on the ballot...

[Xipe Totec]

28. Exactly! nt

[Art_from_Ark]

44. Neither is Clinton running, at this point.

[Xipe Totec]

45. Did she say that explicitly?

Because Warren did.

Over, and over, and over, and over, and over.....

[brooklynite]

9. Gee, maybe it's actual DEMOCRATS who are ready to pick Hillary...

...as opposed to grumpy political bloggers.

Or was there something about voters being told whom to support that I missed?

[Progressive dog]

12. Massachusetts Democrats like Hillary,

that's the reality of it.

[3rdwaydem]

51. The same preference for Hillary among Democrats exist in the other 49 states as well.

[GoCubsGo]

3. I don't blame them.

If she was my Senator, I'd hate to give her up. I say that as a constituent of the well-known Southern Belle, Lindsay Graham, whose too busy going on the Sunday talk shows to do anything for his state, and the Invisible Man,Tim Scott, who, likewise, has done absolutely nothing for this state, other than vote in favor of bills that benefit only the wealthiest few among us.

[hopemountain]

18. hey! get with the sensitivity and awareness

of our inclusive du. why not describe graham as a WAR HAWK rather than slam his sexual orientation? your description is offensive.

[GoCubsGo]

35. How am I slamming his sexual orientation?

?

[Starboard Tack]

19. FYI. Someone thought your remark was insensitive toward gays.

On Mon Aug 25, 2014, 02:23 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I don't blame them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=879648

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

While I agree with the sentiment, it can be said without the gay slur.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Aug 25, 2014, 02:34 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: i do not support gay slurs, per se. but there is a learning and sensitivity curve which i will allow THIS TIME.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Gay slur? Give me a break.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[alp227]

21. A lot of times, posts that assert that Lindsey Graham is gay or effeminate get HIDDEN.

I've seen 5-2 hide votes on such posts. But UNANIMOUSLY LEAVE IT ALONE? with "there is a learning and sensitivity curve which i will allow THIS TIME. "? And five "no explanations"? Freepers must be hijacking juries again.

[cstanleytech]

24. Alp you know very well that the jury selection is random and you do a disservice to those willing

to serve on them by saying "Freepers must be hijacking juries again.".

[Starboard Tack]

27. Sounds like political correctness gone beserk to me.

Is there something wrong with being effeminate? Many men are effeminate and many are not. Some are gay and some are straight. So what? How is it offensive? We can't all be super macho guys. Are Republicans not allowed to be effeminate? If anything, the remark could be considered offensive to women, though I doubt any were offended by it. I could see any human being offended if they were compared to Lindsay Graham, regardless of his sexual orientation. He reminds me of this old lady friend of my Grandma, who was always complaining and whining about something. I have nothing against old ladies, btw, just people who whine a lot.

Freepers must be hijacking juries again.

Now that is a slur against 7 DUers, including myself.

[alp227]

52. Of course sexual identity isn't something to mock.

Which is why posts that baselessly accuse people of being gay get hidden, since such accusations are often negative. You missed my point.

[Starboard Tack]

53. "Accuse someone of being gay"?

Are you kidding? Is it a crime or somehow a negative thing to be gay? How can someone be accused of something that has no negative value attached?

[alp227]

54. I'm talking about the intent of accusers.

People who go around spreading rumors about others' sexual orientation do not have good intentions.

[Starboard Tack]

55. I agree that those who spread rumors do not have good intentions.

That sexual orientation should be construed as a negative, in this day age, seems rather odd.

[alp227]

56. I am not construing sexual orientation as negative.

Again, there's a difference between spreading rumors about others' sexual identity and respecting sexual identity.

[Starboard Tack]

57. Agreed, but when it comes to public figures I guess all bets are off

They are the gist of the rumor mill, whether it's about sexual orientation, sexual affairs or whatever. Sex sells. Remember, Graham was one of the "House Managers" during the Clinton impeachment proceedings. So I guess people see him as fair game.

[GoCubsGo]

33. I guess they never read Charlie Pierce's columns then.

Or, listens to him on Stephanie Miller's radio show. He calls Graham that all the time. So do Stephanie and her crew, all of whom are openly gay, unlike Graham. I don't see how it slurs gays.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

31. I'm just going to ask nicely: Please edit your post

Lindsay Graham is a twit, but we don't need to go there.....

...and yea, I saw the jury result.

[GoCubsGo]

32. Just quoting Charlie Pierce.

That's what he calls him.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

34. Then you should indicate that in the post

...as Charlie Pierce calls him, "well-known Southern Belle Lindsay Graham." I'm not saying attribution makes it right, but it at least puts you, the poster, at arms-length from the statement.

I'm a straight male, and I'd still appreciate it if you edited the post. No, I was not the alerter; I'd rather DUers start asking posters than go running straight to juries.

[GoCubsGo]

36. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

It has everything with how he behaves. He hyperventilates and throws himself on the fainting couch over every little thing, just like a stereotypical Southern Belle.

[Psephos]

39. You look silly trying to explain away obvious bullshit. n/t

[GoCubsGo]

40. I honestly don't care what you think. n/t

[Psephos]

41. it wasn't keeping me up at night n/t

[GoCubsGo]

46. Me, either. n/t

[Arkana]

59. And be a token black guy for the GOP to point to

and say "Look, we're not racist! We have several black, um...colleagues!"

[PDJane]

4. That's absolutely pathetic.

Hillary Clinton is business as usual.

[INdemo]

5. This is odd news

and I for one don't believe it. Hillary is a Republican lite and its hard to believe she would out poll a real Democrat in Mass.

[graywarrior]

6. We want her HERE

We're sick of special elections and Scott Brown trying to win in every damn NE state!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

10. Yeah, graywarrior

I don't blame you even though Elizabeth Warren and the people she'd surround herself with could make a huge national difference. For the better.

I'm kinda dubious about this poll, unless many true Democrats feel as you do and were included in that poll.

[DonViejo]

14. Follow the link to the poll questions/answers, etc....

it might answer your questions. Then again, it might not.

[sheshe2]

20. Yup!

[meegbear]

22. [phone]

[Baitball Blogger]

7. What kind of people subscribe to The Suffolk/Herald?

I'm not sure that I would leave this issue up to just one local paper to decide.

[DonViejo]

8. "Suffolk" is short for Suffolk University

[tomm2thumbs]

11. Same poll that gave Virginia and Florida to Romney? (just curious)

Hmmmm.. not sure, maybe someone can illuminate

http://www.businessinsider.com/suffolk-poll-obama-romney-virginia-florida-north-carolina-election-2012-11

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

15. OMG, there are Democrats out there who think Hillary Clinton is a Democrat???

Why aren't they reading DU?????

[ballyhoo]

16. I can't vote for a DINO unless the alternative would be putting

Paul Ryan in the Chair. We are so fucked.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. LOL!!! From their own poll!!!

Favorable: Hillary Clinton 76.75%

Favorable: Elizabeth Warren 80.75%

[NYC Liberal]

37. They both are very well liked.

Do you like Clinton and do you like Warren are not mutually exclusive.

Voting for Warren and voting for Clinton ARE mutually exclusive.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

43. Millennials don't want Clinton....

They don't like reruns.

Especially from the last century.

[NYC Liberal]

47. If your complaint is about "reruns from the last century"

then that means you wouldn't want another FDR. After all, that would be a "rerun".

[Spitfire of ATJ]

48. Nixon was before their parents time....

You have to remember that the next wave of 18-year-old voters were born in Bill Clinton's SECOND term.

The ONLY thing that would make them think about putting the Clintons back in the White House would be the good economy back then.

This is why a lot of the Beltway are saying the Republicans are going to run Paul Ryan who will be packaged as the Second Coming of Reagan.



A look a at that,....a will ya?

[NYC Liberal]

49. You're wrong. Polls have consistently shown that "millennials" like Hillary Clinton

and would vote for it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. "it"?

[sheshe2]

25. Thanks for the link to the poll, Don.

LOL~ I answered that one. I seldom pick up the phone for an unrecognized number, glad I did.

[Enthusiast]

26. Many Massachusetts Democrats are unaware of HRC's stand on the issues.

Like many Democrats they assume she is on their side. She is not.

[Lil Missy]

29. And more heads explode on DU. n/t

[Algernon Moncrieff]

30. That makes complete sense, given that Elizabeth has repeatedly said she's not running

#Ready



https://www.readyforhillary.com/

[blkmusclmachine]

38. Gross.

[jaysunb]

42. I didn't know Sen. Warren was running for President. ????? n/t

[True Blue Door]

58. Well, that's motherfucking insane.

Hillary Clinton had more or less openly collaborated with the war crimes of a dictatorship that had overthrown the US Constitution and was ruling the country by imperial fiat from some bunker in Texas.

What exactly does one have to do to be thrown out of this Party, except be a liberal?