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kpete

(71,990 posts)
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:33 AM Aug 2014

Missouri Cop Resigns After Pointing Rifle at Ferguson Protesters

Source: NBC News



A suburban St. Louis cop who was suspended for pointing his semi-automatic rifle and threatening protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, has resigned, the police chief told the Associated Press. Lt. Ray Albers, who was put on indefinite leave from the St. Ann Police Department after being caught on a cellphone video that went viral, quit the job he had held since 1994 on Thursday. Albers could not be reached for comment.

The video showed the officer pointing his gun at a demonstrator who apparently had his hands up. He cursed and appeared to say, "I will ... kill you" before a sergeant made him lower his weapon and walk away. Albers was among the officers called in from neighboring towns to deal with unrest after a Ferguson police officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old, Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

The video, which contains profanity, has gotten more than half a million hits on YouTube:

Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/missouri-cop-resigns-after-pointing-rifle-ferguson-protesters-n191751



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Missouri Cop Resigns After Pointing Rifle at Ferguson Protesters (Original Post) kpete Aug 2014 OP
There is some good news today! sinkingfeeling Aug 2014 #1
NOT REALLY... SkyDaddy7 Aug 2014 #14
And/or gets to collect full pension and other bennies. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #19
"resigned", not "retired" - no reason to believe he will be collecting a pension or bennies DrDan Aug 2014 #24
This is NOT true ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #30
Isn't that kind of threat a crime? tblue Aug 2014 #2
Jesus, I hope Albers was required to surrender all firearms (including his personal arsenal) in VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #3
THAT is why he should have been charged groundloop Aug 2014 #5
During this episode, I kept repeatedly flashing on 1918-20 Germany and its VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #6
He wasn't charged or convicted of anything, IronGate Aug 2014 #8
By law, he wouldn't. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #21
And the supervisor would have no standing making it a condition IronGate Aug 2014 #22
It would be if YOU did it Man from Pickens Aug 2014 #11
Resigned. Not fired. He'll be an asshole cop hired on somewhere else. Ikonoklast Aug 2014 #4
Unless I'm mistaken, the state of Missouri issues public safety licenses. Said licensure is what VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #7
Agree wholeheartedly. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #28
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #31
See ya damnedifIknow Aug 2014 #9
On a related note, Glendale officer Matthew Pappert (he who VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #10
Hooray! stage left Aug 2014 #17
Good. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #27
What a psychopath. secondvariety Aug 2014 #12
Well, that's good to hear. malthaussen Aug 2014 #13
Me, too. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #29
It is good that this has come about from all of this. logosoco Aug 2014 #15
Looks like he reached the 20-year point (hired in 1994) radhika Aug 2014 #16
With any luck, his pension is invested in some soon to collapse hedge fund. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2014 #20
Because ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2014 #32
If nothing else, they should at least suffer a fine for this kind of behavior. C Moon Aug 2014 #18
It usually takes quite a while to fire a cop The Second Stone Aug 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author PersonNumber503602 Aug 2014 #25
That guy was under the influence of something Warpy Aug 2014 #26

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
14. NOT REALLY...
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 12:19 PM
Aug 2014

This is the same old "Smoke & Mirror" game law enforcement plays...Notice the cop "RESIGNED" he was not "fired"...This is very important because this means he will, and probably already has, got another law enforcement job with another agency. Cops "resign" & this allows them to continue working in law enforcement where as if they were "fired" they would lose their license to do so.

So, this maniac will soon, if he not already is, be carrying a gun for another LE agency.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
19. And/or gets to collect full pension and other bennies.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 01:54 PM
Aug 2014

Plus, the Dept. can always quietly hire him back again once the smoke clears.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
30. This is NOT true ...
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 09:12 PM
Aug 2014

the reason for one's departure (resignation versus fired) from one police force has little to do with whether one gets to keep their certification. I know of plenty of Officers that resigned and lost their certifications.

But as the other poster noted, it might affect one's ability to collect their retirement. But as crazy as this sounds, I have no problem with a fired Officer collecting on the pension that he/she earned.

The bottom-line for me is that the cop is off the force; not my having to support him through the social safety net.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
2. Isn't that kind of threat a crime?
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:42 AM
Aug 2014

Should be. Scaring people like that.

He needs intervention, anger management or something. And now that he's lost his job I can only imagine the retributive fantasies going through his head. This man is trouble and I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the news again at some time.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
3. Jesus, I hope Albers was required to surrender all firearms (including his personal arsenal) in
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 10:46 AM
Aug 2014

his possession.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
6. During this episode, I kept repeatedly flashing on 1918-20 Germany and its
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:06 AM
Aug 2014

so-called freikorps. With their name tags and badges obscured or otherwise blocked, who could say that these so-called constabluary forces were legitimate and not really right-wing Akademi mercenaries?

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
8. He wasn't charged or convicted of anything,
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:10 AM
Aug 2014

so why would he, by law, have to turn in his firearms?
And how do you know he has a personal arsenal?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
21. By law, he wouldn't.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 04:23 PM
Aug 2014

However, one could imagine a supervisor making that a condition of his being allowed to resign instead of being fired and prosecuted.

(Well, OK, I can't really imagine a St. Louis area supervisor doing that.)

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
22. And the supervisor would have no standing making it a condition
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 04:25 PM
Aug 2014

of his resigning instead of being fired and prosecuted.
I imagine the courts would've had something to say about that along with his union rep.

I'm just glad this asshole is no longer a cop.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
11. It would be if YOU did it
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:51 AM
Aug 2014

and a felony, not some piddling misdemeanor

plus they'd beat the crap out of you on the way to booking, just because they can

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
4. Resigned. Not fired. He'll be an asshole cop hired on somewhere else.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:02 AM
Aug 2014

That's how guys like him get recycled to other departments.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
7. Unless I'm mistaken, the state of Missouri issues public safety licenses. Said licensure is what
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:08 AM
Aug 2014

would allow Albers to seek employment at some other law enforcement agency. There needs to be a thorough vetting of that state protocol for issuing public safety licenses, methinks.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
31. Yep ...
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 09:23 PM
Aug 2014

before a cop is hired, he/she is investigated ... part of that investigation is the circumstances surrounding his departure from his previous employment. If for no other reason, the department's risk management unit would weigh in on the hiring decision, as this cop would be labeled toxic.

No ... I suspect this cop will soon be either be a mall cop or a private investigator or a "security consultant"/body guard.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
10. On a related note, Glendale officer Matthew Pappert (he who
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:17 AM
Aug 2014

said Ferguson protestors should be put down like 'rabid dogs') has been FIRED!

Glendale Officer Matthew Pappert, suspended with pay last week, was fired Thursday after an internal investigation wrapped up Wednesday, said Glendale City Administrator Jaysen Christensen.

Pappert's comments also included postings that said Ferguson protesters were "a burden on society and a blight on the community." Another posting said, "Where is a Muslim with a backpack when you need them?"


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-ann-lieutenant-resigns-glendale-officer-fired-after-actions-during/article_4e9f0ee5-a8ab-5cc8-ab1a-5e8be57612ca.html

The fate of one other publicly outed douche-nozzle (a St. Louis County police officer, IIRC) remains unclear at the moment. I'll see if I can find out more.

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
12. What a psychopath.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 12:11 PM
Aug 2014

What a scared, nervous little man. This pants crapping mound of jelly is what passes as a peace officer these days. I guess the Lt. exam didn't include any questions on professionalism.

malthaussen

(17,194 posts)
13. Well, that's good to hear.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 12:17 PM
Aug 2014

At this point, I am glad when anyone has to face even minor consequences for such behavior.

-- Mal

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
15. It is good that this has come about from all of this.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 12:27 PM
Aug 2014

But, we know there are more who did not/do not get caught. In a sane and just world, other officers will see this and maybe change their ways. Maybe they saw this ugliness on video and realize that is not the way a member of a police force should be. (Or maybe I am just being too hopeful, just looking for some good to come out of this crap).

radhika

(1,008 posts)
16. Looks like he reached the 20-year point (hired in 1994)
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 12:28 PM
Aug 2014

Quite likely, his pension - if there is one - has vested, and he was allowed to resign to not jeopardize that.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. Because ...
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 09:28 PM
Aug 2014

it's better that he be supported by the tax-payers through the social safety net; than him supporting himself through the pension that he earned (presumably, before he lost his mind).

For me, the important point is that he is no longer on the force.

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
18. If nothing else, they should at least suffer a fine for this kind of behavior.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 01:29 PM
Aug 2014

That's just like patting him on the back and saying don't do it again.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
23. It usually takes quite a while to fire a cop
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:10 PM
Aug 2014

I've seen a federal cop resign before the paperwork could get started up. Someone, probably the cop's lawyer, gave him some good advice to start looking remorseful and contrite and do penance. He will still be subject to being sued.

Response to kpete (Original post)

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
26. That guy was under the influence of something
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 08:38 PM
Aug 2014

He lost it exactly the way I suspect Wilson did when he shot Brown.

Other cops had the presence of mind to yell at him to stop pointing the gun and to put it down. Good thing, because the way he was jumping around I know he'd have killed people for sure.

I doubt anyone had the presence of mind to test him for drugs of abuse including steroids. That is a bad thing. Or they did, and he resigned under pressure after he was caught with dirty urine.

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