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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:44 PM Aug 2014

George Galloway badly injured in street attack

Source: guardian UK

Man held after Respect MP suffers suspected broken jaw during attack in London apparently prompted by prior remarks on Israel

Respect MP George Galloway has been taken to hospital with a suspected broken jaw after being attacked in the street.

Police have arrested a British man over the incident, which is believed to have been prompted by comments Galloway made about Israel.

The 59-year-old politician was posing for pictures in Notting Hill, London, on Friday evening when a man lashed out at him, his spokesman said. Galloway later went to Notting Hill police station to make a statement after the attacker was arrested.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/29/george-galloway-injured-london-street-attack?CMP=twt_gu

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George Galloway badly injured in street attack (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Aug 2014 OP
Don't mess with Holy Mother Israel ! LloydS of New London Aug 2014 #1
what a stupid inference based on the actions of one Brit. I guess still_one Aug 2014 #3
Maybe he was pissed because Galloway may have made a negative comment Hoppy Aug 2014 #17
I liked Benny Hill also. Who knows what was one person's mind before he assaulted Galloway still_one Aug 2014 #18
What does that have to do with anything here? George II Aug 2014 #4
Alternatively, he's not very popular with Scottish Independence peeps Bosonic Aug 2014 #2
"...because the guy was shouting about the Holocaust" oberliner Aug 2014 #5
There are people who believe you either unquestioningly support Israel or you're Hitler. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #8
I'm certain it was completely random and had nothing to do with anything Scootaloo Aug 2014 #6
A mentally ill person perhaps? oberliner Aug 2014 #7
TEAPUBS mentally ill ? father founding Aug 2014 #15
How much mileage did you get out of the Belgian doctor? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #19
LOL! Aerows Sep 2014 #42
Yes, it's so fuzzy and confusing. If only he was wearing a turban then it would be so much clearer. GoneFishin Aug 2014 #9
Well then at least he'd be a part of a massive insidious movement, and not some random nutter! Scootaloo Aug 2014 #10
Love the hypocrisy here. Someone attacks a pro Israel person, they are immediately BillZBubb Aug 2014 #11
The Respect MP didn't get any respect. Kaleva Aug 2014 #12
Seems near everyone's going bonkers these days. Owl Aug 2014 #13
I hope George Galloway recovers soon reorg Aug 2014 #14
LIN, Low Information Nutcase. father founding Aug 2014 #16
Turns out there was no broken jaw oberliner Aug 2014 #20
Man charged with religiously-aggravated assault muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #21
How can you aggravate assault religiously? reorg Aug 2014 #22
By having a religious motive for it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #23
thanks for the information reorg Aug 2014 #26
Notice the term "(actual or perceived)" Anarcho-Socialist Aug 2014 #28
"Galloway supports the IRA and their sectarian murders. I will confront him on Saturday night..." oberliner Aug 2014 #24
Do you mean this Facebook page reorg Aug 2014 #25
Exactly oberliner Aug 2014 #31
You appear to have found something posted about Galloway from the week before by a different person muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #29
It was also posted on the attacker's Facebook page oberliner Aug 2014 #30
But since the "Saturday night confrontation" was a protest in Belfast by someone else muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #32
It was the most recent Galloway-related post on his timeline oberliner Aug 2014 #33
But it doesn't provide evidence - you quoted the other man, not the attacker muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #34
Here is a link to the part I can see reorg Aug 2014 #35
some further comments reorg Aug 2014 #36
Thanks for those - those are hateful comments muriel_volestrangler Aug 2014 #38
Yes, NoScript prevents seeing that comment n/t reorg Aug 2014 #39
Fair enough oberliner Aug 2014 #37
offs! there is a logical connection with the posts on fb to the perp. 2banon Sep 2014 #41
which is why the stuff about the IRA seemed a bit of distraction muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #43
check out reorg's link in post 25 or here ya go.. 2banon Sep 2014 #44
Galloway has always called things like he sees them Warpy Aug 2014 #27
Galloway: "I suspect my attacker was a thug from an extreme Right-wing group." oberliner Aug 2014 #40

still_one

(92,061 posts)
3. what a stupid inference based on the actions of one Brit. I guess
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 07:15 PM
Aug 2014

any American who does a crime we can make up all kinds of inferences also

Impeccable logic

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
17. Maybe he was pissed because Galloway may have made a negative comment
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:25 PM
Aug 2014

about Benny Hill.

I like Benny Hill. I got full DVD set. If Galloway says anything bad about Benny Hill, I might be pissed enough to break his jaw, too.


Nothin' to do with Israel or apartheid or genocide or anything like that.

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
2. Alternatively, he's not very popular with Scottish Independence peeps
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 06:54 PM
Aug 2014
I'm warning Alex Salmond now; I will hold him responsible for any attempt to wreck my #JustSayNaw meetings and any physical attack upon me
7:11 PM - 29 Aug 2014

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/505417524927004674
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. "...because the guy was shouting about the Holocaust"
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 07:20 PM
Aug 2014

The Respect spokesman seems really eager to want to blame a pro-Israel person for the attack.

Already twitter is filled with "George Galloway attacked by Zionist" tweets.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. A mentally ill person perhaps?
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 07:36 PM
Aug 2014

Shouting and attacking someone in the street that way indicates a possiblly unsound mind.

 

father founding

(619 posts)
15. TEAPUBS mentally ill ?
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 09:50 PM
Aug 2014

So your inferring that the Teapubs are all mentally ill, the way they all attack the President ?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
11. Love the hypocrisy here. Someone attacks a pro Israel person, they are immediately
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 08:26 PM
Aug 2014

called anti-Semites by the Israeli apologists. When they get a dose of their own medicine in reverse, all of the sudden they don't see a connection.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
14. I hope George Galloway recovers soon
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 09:28 PM
Aug 2014

and will be able to visit this nutcase in prison to explain that he is fighting AGAINST another genocide and not in favor of one.

 

father founding

(619 posts)
16. LIN, Low Information Nutcase.
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 09:55 PM
Aug 2014

Unfortunately, the nutcase won't understand him. Most People don't have a clue.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
21. Man charged with religiously-aggravated assault
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:11 PM
Aug 2014
A man has been charged with religiously-aggravated assault after MP George Galloway was attacked in a west London street.
...
Neil Masterson, 39, of Camden Hill, will appear at Hammersmith Magistrates Court on Monday.

He has also been charged with common assault against a man in his 40s who came to the victim's aid, police said.
...
The assailant also made reference to the Holocaust, the spokesman said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-28998607

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
23. By having a religious motive for it
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:31 PM
Aug 2014

'Hate crime' isn't, as far as I know, a term used in English law.

Crime and Disorder Act 1998 (as amended)

Parliament has passed legislation aimed at outlawing crime where the offender is motivated by hostility or hatred towards the victim's race or religious beliefs (actual or perceived). A table setting out some of the more commonly used legislation is attached at Annex A.
...
This Act came into force on 30 September 1998 and created a number of specific offences of racially aggravated crime, based on offences of wounding, assault, damage, harassment and threatening/abusive behaviour. Monitoring had indicated that these types of crime were those most commonly experienced by victims of racial violence or harassment.

The Act was amended by the Anti-terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001, which came into effect on 14 December 2001. It extended the scope of the Crime and Disorder Act by creating new specific religiously aggravated offences and applying the same sentencing duty to all other offences where there is evidence of religious aggravation.

The Act was amended further by the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, which came into effect on 25 November 2012. It created new specific offences of stalking and it also created racially and religiously aggravated versions of these offences.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/racist_and_religious_crime/

reorg

(3,317 posts)
26. thanks for the information
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:36 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Sun Aug 31, 2014, 06:25 AM - Edit history (1)

but since your source states that religious aggravation comes in when the illegal act is:

"motivated by hostility or hatred towards the victim's ... religious beliefs"

I wonder how this could be established when nobody even knows about Galloway's religious beliefs and he doesn't speak about them in public? In fact, I've seen him make the point in interviews that his religion is nobody's business and that he refuses to talk about it.

Since the attacker obviously didn't know him personally, something seems fishy about that "religiously" aggravated offense allegation.

Anarcho-Socialist

(9,601 posts)
28. Notice the term "(actual or perceived)"
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 05:34 AM
Aug 2014

There's been many rumours that Galloway converted to Islam, whether he has or not is irrelevant. It's based on the perceptions and assumptions of the attacker.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. "Galloway supports the IRA and their sectarian murders. I will confront him on Saturday night..."
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:19 PM
Aug 2014

From the arrested attacker's FB page:

"Galloway supports the IRA and their sectarian murders. I will confront him on Saturday night, he wont come over here and tramp on the graves of those who gave all for Ulster."

Other, even more hateful remarks (some directed as Galloway) as well.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
25. Do you mean this Facebook page
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 02:30 AM
Aug 2014
An account in that name carries a series of comments and abusive remarks about Muslims as well as claims that Galloway is anti-Semitic.

The account holder ‘shared’ a picture of the politician, branding him a ‘snake’ and captioned: ‘Galloway is a Hamas and IRA supporter.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738668/Facebook-threats-against-Galloway-just-hours-vicious-street-attack-man-charged-religiously-aggravated-assault-Respect-MP.html




Neil Masterson likes:

United With Israel
The White House
Israel Defense Forces
Christians United for Israel (CUFI)
John Hagee Ministries

https://m.facebook.com/neil.masterson.5

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
32. But since the "Saturday night confrontation" was a protest in Belfast by someone else
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 07:42 AM
Aug 2014

it seems misleading to put that other man's words up without any indication that it wasn't Galloway's attacker who said them.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
33. It was the most recent Galloway-related post on his timeline
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:09 AM
Aug 2014

and it was from not too long before the attack so it seemed possibly germane.

Perhaps provides evidence that this may have been premeditated as he clearly had a deep and disturbing antipathy towards Galloway and a penchant for making nasty comments about him.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
34. But it doesn't provide evidence - you quoted the other man, not the attacker
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:24 AM
Aug 2014

and none of the nasty comments. It's the words of a different person. I can't see the attacker's Facebook page at the link someone else gave (maybe it's visible to members?), but all this seems to show is that the attacker had noted someone else's previous protest against Galloway.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
35. Here is a link to the part I can see
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 08:57 AM
Aug 2014

without being a member:

http://is.gd/kXHUD6

On this page there is only one comment (next to the picture below):

I'd like to make a distinction between Islam, and the increased militancy of politicsed islam that is causing chaos in the middle east, poses an existential threat to the rights of Israel and poses a very real threat to us in the UK. Those idiots who go round trashing Kwiksave or tesco etc are primarily interested in having Israel in their sights: these are the usual suspects of; angry young Muslim boys, white middle class socialists and anyone else who has no idea what it is like to love your country... They aren't smart enough to realise that Israel is the front line of the war for democratic values, and, if they're honest with themselves, they'llbe thankful to have the good fortune to live in secure, peaceful democracy. It is not this lot I'm worried about... Moderate Muslims in the UK and elsewhere have to be as vocal as they can in condemning and rooting out the traitors in their midst: they present the same threat as what was posed by recalcitrant Catholics in the 17th and 18th centuries. Catholics have finally reconciled themselves with the protestant primacy that flavours our national character. I'm confident the moderate Muslims who contribute enormously to the success of our realm will stand with defenders of parliamentary democracy. ...



Not much irrational bigotry, it would appear, his violence was apparently directed at a political target.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
38. Thanks for those - those are hateful comments
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:35 AM
Aug 2014

When I go to your link, the only thing I get is a photo of him in front of David Cameron. But I do have Facebook marked as an untrusted site for 'NoScript', because I don't trust Facebook, especially when they seem to get their scripts put up on other people's pages - that's probably why I don't see the comments.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
37. Fair enough
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:27 AM
Aug 2014

I can't get to the page anymore either. I guess it's been made private.

To be honest, I didn't understand initially that it was a re-post from another person's FB page and not the alleged attacker's original post. I just scanned through looking for any references to Galloway and that was the first one that came up.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
41. offs! there is a logical connection with the posts on fb to the perp.
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:34 AM
Sep 2014


The attacker is clearly a Christian fundie-Zionist supporter, as evidenced by his own fb postings, regardless of origins.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,265 posts)
43. which is why the stuff about the IRA seemed a bit of distraction
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 11:51 AM
Sep 2014

That's what the Northern Irish person doesn't like about Galloway, not his attacker.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
44. check out reorg's link in post 25 or here ya go..
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 02:00 PM
Sep 2014
reorg post 25



Neil Masterson likes:

United With Israel
The White House
Israel Defense Forces
Christians United for Israel (CUFI)
John Hagee Ministries

https://m.facebook.com/neil.masterson.5



edit to add I agree that Neil Masterson is no friend to the Irish's long time goal of Home Rule. Loves him the historically brutal English Rule in Northern Ireland, along with all the other Right Wing Christian Wackos here and abroad.






Warpy

(111,140 posts)
27. Galloway has always called things like he sees them
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 03:03 AM
Aug 2014

I often disagree with his take but I respect both his bravery and his wonderful use of language.

Swift recovery, Mr. Galloway. The world desperately needs its gadflies.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. Galloway: "I suspect my attacker was a thug from an extreme Right-wing group."
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 09:46 AM
Aug 2014

Full Quote: "I have no idea why it happened, though I suspect my attacker was a thug from an extreme Right-wing group."

From his first-hand report of the attack:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2738682/I-crashed-ground-thinking-man-going-kick-death-George-Galloway-reveals-terror-attack-Notting-Hill-led-police-suspect.html#ixzz3BydxY6XC

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