BREAKING NEWS ISIS release video claiming to show beheading of British hostage David Haines
Source: Daily Mail (online)
The Islamic State has released a video claiming to show the beheading of British captive David Haines.
The father-of-two, an aid worker, was abducted by militants in Syria last year.
He appeared at the end of a video showing the beheading of US journalist Steven Sotloff earlier this month.
n the video, which has been posted on sites such as YouTube, the extremists also threaten to execute another Briton.
Islamic State (IS) extremists had threatened to kill Mr Haines and have not responded to any of the family's attempts to make contact so far, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) said.
Militants from IS have beheaded two American journalists, posting the evidence online in gruesome videos featuring a masked jihadist with a British accent. The other was James Foley.
Mr Haines, 44, was taken while working for relief agency ACTED in Syria in March 2013, having previously helped local people in Libya and South Sudan.
He had been working for the French aid agency for just ten days when he was taken alongside Federico Motka, an Italian-Swiss aid worker freed four months ago after a ransom was paid.
The 44-year-old has a teenage daughter in Scotland from a previous marriage with wife Louise and a four-year-old daughter in Croatia from his present marriage.
Militants from IS have already beheaded two American journalists, Jim Foley and Sotloff, posting the evidence online in gruesome videos featuring a masked jihadist with a British accent.
Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond has said the FCO will be doing 'everything' they could to protect Mr Haines.
Educated at Perth Academy secondary school, he has worked for aid agencies in some of the world's worst trouble spots, including Libya and South Sudan.
He was in Libya during its civil war in 2011, working as head of mission for Handicap International, which helps disabled people in poverty and conflict zones around the world.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2754934/BBREAKING-NEWS-ISIS-release-video-claiming-beheading-British-hostage-David-Haines.html
still_one
(92,061 posts)PSPS
(13,580 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Bombing actually does make thing go away.
It made the ISIS barbarians at Haditha dam go away.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)Besides "not our problem?"
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)still_one
(92,061 posts)let them fight it out, it doesn't concern us"
However, ISIS is NOT a government, they are an organization that threatens governments and people in the region. It also threatens the world oil supply, and while we should be energy independent, the reality is we are not.
It is similar to the argument made when the financial system was being bailed out, there was a demographic that believed we should let them go under, and damn the consequences, which would have thrown us into an even worse situation, and more people would have been hurt.
History is full of examples where doing nothing has led to disaster.
Doing something can also lead to disaster, as the invasion of Iraq has shown, which is why the President has approached this situation in an extremely measured way. Of course that is too much for some, and not enough for others. With the President approaching the issue by providing tactical, air support, and advisors to groups fighting ISIS is far more prudent then just letting the chips fall where they may.
The ACA infuriated people on the left and the right. The left demanded Medicare for all or nothing, and the right wanted no change.
Damn the political realities that there was no way Medicare for all could never be passed with this Congress. So the administration took a pragmatic approach. Time was NOT on their side. It is better to have something, a start, then nothing. People like Bernie Sanders realized this also, and voted for it. He also realizes the same thing regarding ISIS.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)incredible amount of sense. Obama, to me, is handling this quite well. No solution is perfect. I wish we could ignore it and it went away, but it will not. I would rather error on the side of trying to do something. It's much as dealing with a rogue gang IMO.
AnalystInParadise
(1,832 posts)the Kurds and Turks will get involved when ISIS threatens each accordingly. Not one more drop of blood or coin of treasure for Iraq. I did my time and no one should ever be forced to sacrifice for that shit hole ever again.
George II
(67,782 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)maybe they'll stop. Maybe after the first air strike in Syria they'll do 250 at once like two weeks ago.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)The comment doesn't deserve a reply but....
I'm with you, they won't go away and there isn't a friendly way to deal with bullies.
We just have to be sure not to become bullies ourselves.
still_one
(92,061 posts)SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)The British refused to take part in the bombings & they still murdered their civilian.
still_one
(92,061 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)If I remember correctly, doesn't Europe pay ransoms?
Prayers for his family.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)So much for that policy.
NYtoBush-Drop Dead
(490 posts)Ebola - Isis. The answer is so simple.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)Period.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Eagle_Eye
(1,439 posts)Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, and Northrop Grumman each give it two thumbs up.
delete_bush
(1,712 posts)if we shopped instead at Home Depot and Ace Hardware for our materiel?
Amonester
(11,541 posts)And everyone around them who benefit from their UNION jobs?
delrem
(9,688 posts)so very few US casualties, so everything is cool for a good old-fashioned bombing.
Just doing what the US knows best.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)oh happy day...
Cha
(296,875 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)He sounded like a pretty incredible guy.
Uben
(7,719 posts)What service is provided by publishing these videos on news sites? I know they can upload to YouTube themselves, but that's not the evening news.
if we just pretend they dont exist, they'll go away and stop doing bad things?
nt
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alp227
(32,006 posts)What would Chomsky have said about ISIS if not calling them "savage"?
delrem
(9,688 posts)You know, the patriotic kind of guy that engages in torture, but only because provoked by the most noble of sentiments.
Our kind of guys.
delrem
(9,688 posts)What the US did in Fallujah was definitive of civilization as we in the US know it.
Of course, that operation was just the crème de la crème of the the latest 21st c. Western Civilizational Approach. An approach that the current admin doesn't want to look back on, yet - but no doubt only because the current admin is jealous of the previous.
"The West" never started any wars. Peoples of "The West" have always lived in peace among one another, unlike these ME Arabic peoples who've been at each other's throats for millennia. That's why I'm happy to be a "Westerner", an exemplar of "Western Civilization", and why I'm glad I'm not one of *them*.
Unlike us, who are real people, we don't have to be single-quoted as being a so-called 'people' in our commentaries. That alone should show that we're the righteous ones when it comes to ME action.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
delrem
(9,688 posts)You know the joke about the world's tiniest violin? Play it.
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bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)This is the real world here, not a Howard Zinn graduate seminar.
delrem
(9,688 posts)bye.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)You're so predictable.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I voted to leave it.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)This is serious business. And should be taken as such.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Send in the Ferguson, MO police.
ETA: George Zimmerman, too.
Eagle_Eye
(1,439 posts)They can have air cover flown by Bush the lesser in a Delta Dagger.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Clears up several problems at once.
RKP5637
(67,088 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)They have itchy trigger fingers.
christx30
(6,241 posts)If the local governments complain that their people aren't getting the help they need, say that we care about our people more than we care about their's.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)security there has got to be almost impossible, and no responsible aid agency should be operating there now, besides the UN or very large organizations.
George II
(67,782 posts)RKP5637
(67,088 posts)picture of their savagery. Some people in life are barbarians, they use a cause to justify their brutality, it's sport to them.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,867 posts)Oh wait.......
ancianita
(35,948 posts)Executioner - This British man has to pay the price for your promise, Cameron, to arm the Peshmerga against the Islamic State. Ironically, he has spent a decade of his life serving under the same Royal Air Force that is responsible for delivering those arms. Your evil alliance with America which continues to strike the Muslims of Iraq and most recently bombed the Haditha Dam will only accelerate your destruction. And playing the role of the obedient lapdog, Cameron, will only drag you and your people into another bloody and unwinnable war.
[Execution]
[Executioner with a second British hostage]
Executioner - If you, Cameron, persist in fighting the Islamic State, then you, like your master Obama, will have the blood of your people on your hands.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)Cause it sure seems like they are wanting to piss off a war weary public to the point they push the leaders to really go after these guys.
ancianita
(35,948 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)Billions. Petro-dollars, MIC-dollars, all the same dollars, bundled in shrink-wrapped bricks.
Mercenaries are cheap, plentiful. Once a civil infrastructure is torn down and blown away by a victor who has yet to even begin spending the loot it is taking in, there's nothing else the victors leave the desperate population to work at except to do even more killing, for hire to the victors.
The USA is good at this, it is the BEST at this. The USA should be proud.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)cleared them out of 2 key areas so far. They need to unmask that 'spokesman'
ancianita
(35,948 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)what gov.
A citizen smuck who runs over to be a IS ground fighter in Syria, just doesn't end up with a cushie ' non fighting' job, reading the scripts & murdering the prisoners.
ancianita
(35,948 posts)Archae
(46,301 posts)The US should give ISIS a nuke.
I'm serious!
But it would be ticking...
Progressive dog
(6,899 posts)and support the civilized world in destroying them.
candelista
(1,986 posts)Just like with the Viet Cong. Just like with the Taliban. Just like with Saddam. Just like with Gaddafi. But the government and their friends in the media have done a magnificent propaganda job this time. Way better than with Assad last year. Everyone is salivating. That blood-lust feels kinda good, doesn't it? That's war-fever.
Newsjock
(11,733 posts)You wouldn't happen to have dated a pole dancer, would you?
candelista
(1,986 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And you know what? It's working.
I'm not a big war hawk, but I'm about ready to waste these fuckers. You won't find me criticizing Obama for dropping some bombs on these guys. They are some real psychopaths. And proud of it.
candelista
(1,986 posts)It's the government and its friends in the media that are pimping war in response.
Have another sip! You seem to enjoy the taste.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)What propaganda could make him ever look *worse* than he is in real life??
candelista
(1,986 posts)See the article, "Whose Sarin"? by Seymour Hersh here:
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)I suppose Hersh also says the 100,000+ people killed by Assad's forces don't exist? Or did they all have heart attacks??
I hate to break it to you, but Hersh's assertion woven from ONE unnamed source is sloppy journalism it it's worst...
candelista
(1,986 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Now you go read the 999,999 other news stories from the world media which completely contradict his claims...Or are you going to tell me the rest of the global media is "in on it", too?
And you still haven't addressed my point of the 100,000+ dead
Cha
(296,875 posts)Fucking Seymour hersh and his little conspiracies theories that Leave Putin Alone but BAD USA.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)Who are you shilling for really?
Cha
(296,875 posts)President Obama on ISIS.
delrem
(9,688 posts)and "we're exceptional" first and last of all, because we're Americans. Our, and only our, voices count.
I totally love this inclusive "we". It fills me with such an awesome feeling of power to use it. I'd say it gives me a boner but that'd be crude and like all such truths it should be left unsaid.
We should call our proxies "moderate rebels", not "moderate terrorists", because our mercenaries are totally under the table cool. Note that I said "ours", not "theirs". Ours follow a sound business model, theirs don't. Ours are friends of the MSM/MIC and the World Bank. We should buy more mercenaries, or proxies, because we should know our duty is to fix what we broke, even though what we broke was (always and ever) under an old and outdated administration. We should continue what we've been doing -- and most of all, we should continue patting our exceptional selves on the back for having the exceptional wisdom that brought us to this point of time.
We should bomb Syria in any event. We've been saying this for some years now and if the time isn't ripe for a good bombing of Syria yet, then it'll never be ripe (all you happy campers should take note: the PNAC plan is getting close to the sell by date on this one). Look at how fast we got both into and out of a good and righteous bombing of Libya. That was us, our exceptional selves, acting at our most "we lead from behind" excellence. Not a drop of American blood spilled, so nobody of consequence hurt. We did a fast in and out, no problem, and Libyan civil structure was saved. The proof is in the pudding and we're proud of that. Mr. Kristol, Mr. Kagan, Ms. Nuland, Mr. Cheney, and all of our Americans heroes and heroines should be proud for being totally on track with political correctness on these matters. We should be proud of our plans for Syria because we're the foremost among Friends of Syria - friends that include favored western styled democracies like our allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar. We should always be going full speed ahead, never looking back, because looking back is for losers. We've decided that and we're exceptional, so it's true.
Bonhomme Richard
(8,998 posts)And we better find out.
I have no problem blasting the shit out of them but they are inciting the west for a reason and they are not stupid.
Are they provoking us because they need the "infidel" invading to draw more support? There is a strategy here at work and we better know what it is.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Do you really think that the USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey, for prime examples, aren't totally behind what is going down in this operation against Syria? And Iraq?
shee...... Do you make no connections whatsoever?
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Amonester
(11,541 posts)I think his religious-state fantasy is doomed to fail.
Were there not reports most of his "foreign fidels" wanna go home now that their Real-Life "game" turns out it's nothing like the video game their thought it was going to be?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)'This' meaning the beheadings and the scripted threats by the masked man.
delrem
(9,688 posts)It makes total MIC sense!
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)what I meant is these same ISpeople are the thorns in assads side, assad would love it if plenty of IS, 'general chup -ground invaders' were killed off.
The masked man and the scripted killings look very set-up to me. Seems very separate & unconnected to what happened on the ground to those small communities in Iraq.
delrem
(9,688 posts)And US military atrocities should NEVER be mentioned! That goes without saying, since the US leads "The Western World" which is "Civilization as We Know It", so any such atrocity, if it can be proven without doubt to exist, must necessarily be the product of "a few bad apples". Not, absolutely not, connected.
Assad is bad. Assad is Emmanuel Goldstein, that being Muammar Gaddafi's role a couple years earlier, and that of Saddam Hussein a few short years before that. Even though the role is interchangeable and used for the identical purpose, that fact doesn't foretell any actual connection between these pro-warofchoice memes. Not a connection that the exceptional people of the world's one and only exceptional country to be aware of, in any event.
Of course Assad is evil incarnate. Far more so than any George W. Bush, or Barrack H. Obama. The USA and the MIC/MSM said so. The USA is good, it is good incarnate, by definition, and the USA fights evil, and the USA is pushing for regime change to oust Assad, therefore Assad is evil. A simple syllogism - even the simplest of us Westerners "get it".
And now the bombing of Syria begins. A Nobel Peace Prize recipient declared it - a recipient fit to stand beside preceding recipients like Henry Kissinger (affectionately known as "Henry the K" among the aficionado's of the MSM). Better late than never, eh?
The only question is: what country is next on the PNAC hitlist?
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)thanks
delrem
(9,688 posts)It'll require some reading, if you do.
I'm going to leave you to it, Sunlei.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Sounds very exceptional of you.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I won't say that I understand the message, though.
I'm a Bob Marley fan. This, though I don't follow Bob Marley's religion, his iconography, except as metaphor. I'm unsure to what extent Bob Marley thought of his poetry as borrowing on metaphor, when it borrowed so heavily on Zionist imagery.
I hear that Ziggy Marley just signed a public statement in support of Israel's recent levelling of Gaza, even after so many Palestinians were killed. Perhaps that isn't true, or, if true, is not fully true. It pains me to think of it.
It's a crazy mixed up world we live in, and in it everyone including you knows that "The MIC" is "The Military Industrial Complex" that underlies US Capitalism/Imperialism. "The MSM" is "The Main Stream Media" which is owned by the same interests who own controlling stock in the MIC, so, like Michael Hastings who suggested the idea in a book of his that I read, I couple the MSM with the MIC in the acronym "MSM/MIC". I think most, including you, understand. I certainly won't be providing a more full explanation. I'll give one example of MSM/MIC: Rupert Murdoch is the owner of MSM controlling over 70% of media resources in Australia's capital city, according as some blurb I read today, and Murdoch is owner of a large percentage of MSM across "The West", including in the UK and the USA. It isn't just by random coincidence that Rupert Murdoch's media empire supports a MIC which profits extremely from recent and all wars, and which also by no mere coincidence supports politicians of choice.
eta:
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)They judge they have the ability on the ground to keep the territory they have, despite bombing. They may be looking at Afghanistan, where the Taliban have managed to hold out despite Western ground forces, as well as air power. The recruits may bring money, or opportunities for trade (they have crude refining capacity, so they have a little oil for sale). Killing hostages also encourages other countries to pay ransoms for their hostages, which again funds IS.
And it does seem the vast majority of people in IS are religious fanatics who are quite willing to kill and die to force their extreme interpretation of a religion on anyone they can get their hands on. They think they're going to paradise for this, win or lose.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Still hiding behind his damn mask?
Although I'm against death penalty, I think I might agree for an exceptional exception in that COWARD's case...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)ISIS has been doing this and much worse to those Muslims who do not follow exactly the path ISIS wants them to. It wasn't until ISIS killed whites that people started to take notice.
I am sorry for Mr. Haines and his family it is truly awful and, as others have said, the man that did these beheadings is a coward and sadly a dangerous one.
Honestly, I don't know the answer, but I do believe ISIS is spoiling for a religious war and, will "advertise" it as Islam against the world. That does not bear thinking about.
It is time that the Arab world in the form of their leaders, secular and religious stood up to these hate-filled despots and denounced their brand of Islam - because it is far from the religion that Allah was supposed to have supported.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)And no other country on this planet is ever going to formaly RECOGNIZE their Islamic State sick fantasy as being anything close to legitimate, not even North Korea...
Turborama
(22,109 posts)For anyone who may have missed it, this is the statement President SBY made recently: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014875979
Amonester
(11,541 posts)my French.
PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)where they are operating to speak out.
I think you nailed it with "sick fantasy" - that describes their ideology perfectly.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)I can't imagine what a Romney one would have unleashed on this entire planet already...
Better let Mother Nature try to get rid of this nuisance species of ours (maybe we'll get a Hollywood happy-ending turnaround JIT)...
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Has benefitted from Snowden's leaks. They've learned a lot about intelligence and communications and will be a tougher enemy as a result.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I'm firmly of the belief that the less I know, the less I care, and the less I care is closest to true bliss.
It's a wonderful world that gives me such an achievable aim!
candelista
(1,986 posts)If you read enough news and watch enough cable television about the threat of the Islamic State, the radical Sunni Muslim militia group better known simply as ISIS, you will inevitably encounter a parade of retired generals demanding an increased US military presence in the region. They will say that our government should deploy, as retired General Anthony Zinni demanded, up to 10,000 American boots on the ground to battle ISIS. Or as in retired General Jack Keanes case, they will make more vague demands, such as for offensive air strikes and the deployment of more military advisers to the region.
But what you wont learn from media coverage of ISIS is that many of these former Pentagon officials have skin in the game as paid directors and advisers to some of the largest military contractors in the world. Ramping up Americas military presence in Iraq and directly entering the war in Syria, along with greater military spending more broadly, is a debatable solution to a complex political and sectarian conflict. But those goals do unquestionably benefit one player in this saga: Americas defense industry.
http://www.thenation.com/article/181601/whos-paying-pro-war-pundits
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)This guy wasn't an ideolog but said as an aside how much damade Snowden has done. It's believable imo
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)is that the ISIS terrorists seem to be baiting us to fight them in Syria. I wonder why they would want that and if they do want us in Syria then I definitely do not want us in Syria.
Lets end our support for the so called moderate rebels, end all sanctions against Syria and assist them in any way we can to deal with the radicals themselves. That is what I want them to do. If they want to fight the US (which seems like what they want), let them come into Iraq and fight the US army there.
I think they want to bring the US into the Syria invasion and let the US/NATO do the same job we did for them in Libya.
delrem
(9,688 posts)They are "baiting us to fight them in Syria".
It figures, considering who is paying them.
Watching DU gobble this hook line and sinker is a bit dismaying. To say the least.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Wish Cheney would be deported, stripped of his citizenship or not allowed to lobby in washingtondc.
His empire has stolen enough billions of Americas Federal money.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)They will if we stop sending cub reporters and naive do-gooders to that part of the world.
IcyPeas
(21,842 posts)what'll happen if they behead a woman?
madville
(7,404 posts)Koch Ebola
(831 posts)there is something very fake about these videos. remember Nick Berg?
Tab
(11,093 posts)There's a lot of grandstanding, but considering what they're doing to the general (male) population I don't see anything to imply this is too far of a stretch for them.
Koch Ebola
(831 posts)It looks like the background was video tapped in front of a green Screen. The background looks like landscape from Death Valley California. The killer sounds like he was overdubbed by another voice. The victim looks too passive for someone who is about to lose his head.
Don't get me wrong, I despise ISIS. If history has shown us anything, there are ways in provoking war. Don't worry...I am not a conspiracy nut. I have watched the video whole and I am sorry, it does not ring true. It was like watching a 80's slasher movie. Just my observation.
Something just doesn't feel right. Also, hadn't Britain just announced they would not take part in bombing and would only continue humanitarian drops from their planes? Something is off about this entire thing
Koch Ebola
(831 posts)I know now I am not alone in this suspicion. Cheers mate!
Amonester
(11,541 posts)corners...
You think they want to "activate" them ... more?
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Kind of to "produce" a CT video-like so they could "spread" DOUBTS by CTs through the general public (online), maybe in the hopes of "reducing" the percentage of approval of the POTUS to fight them back?
These jihadist aren't as stupid as they look (strategically speaking, except for their ultimate goal of a global Caliphate being completely unrealistic), maybe.
Who knows?