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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:44 PM Sep 2014

BREAKING: Kansas Supreme Court Orders State to Remove Democrat's Name from Ballot in Senate Race

Source: Associated Press

@AP: BREAKING: Kansas Supreme Court orders state to remove Democrat's name from ballot in Senate race.

KANSAS COURT: REMOVE DEMOCRAT FROM SENATE BALLOT

By JOHN HANNA
— Sep. 18, 2014 6:03 PM EDT

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas must remove the name of the Democratic candidate against Republican Sen. Pat Roberts from the ballot, the state Supreme Court declared Thursday, in a unanimous ruling that could influence the fight for control of the U.S. Senate.

The court's decision leaves Democrats without a candidate, potentially making it easier for independent candidate Greg Orman to defeat the three-term incumbent. Republicans have counted on Roberts winning re-election in GOP-leaning Kansas as they seek to recapture a Senate majority.

Some Democrats nudged party nominee Chad Taylor out of the race earlier this month to avoid a major split of anti-Roberts votes. Taylor announced his withdrawal, but Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a conservative Republican publicly backing Roberts, declared that Taylor didn't comply with a state election law limiting when nominees can withdraw. Taylor petitioned the Supreme Court to remove his name from the ballot.

The justices unanimously agreed with Taylor, saying his formal letter of withdrawal to the secretary of state's office was sufficient to get his name off the ballot.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7a4dc22244254a03a970fea8cbaecfdb/kansas-court-remove-democrat-senate-ballot



Background:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/kansas-judges-question-why-democrat-cant-withdraw

KANSAS JUDGES QUESTION WHY DEMOCRAT CAN'T WITHDRAW
By JOHN HANNA
— Sep. 16, 2014 11:36 AM EDT

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, center, walks with members of his staff and legal team into the Kansas Judicial Center to file documents in a legal dispute before the state Supreme Court over the Democratic nominee's attempt to get off the ballot in the U.S. Senate race, Monday, Sept. 15, 2014, in Topeka, Kan. With Kobach are, to his left, special projects coordinator Jameson Beckner and attorney Bradley Scholzman and, to his right, attorney Thomas Knutzen. (AP Photo/John Hanna)

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Several Kansas Supreme Court justices are questioning why a Democratic candidate for the U.S. Senate who wants his name off the ballot should be prevented from doing so by the state's chief election officer.

The court heard arguments Tuesday in a case that has national implications because it could affect the battle for control of the Senate.

Democrat Chad Taylor's withdrawal could help independent candidate Greg Orman's chances to unseat vulnerable Republican incumbent Sen. Pat Roberts.

Republican Secretary of State Kris Kobach ruled that Taylor's name must remain on the ballot because he didn't comply with state election law.
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BREAKING: Kansas Supreme Court Orders State to Remove Democrat's Name from Ballot in Senate Race (Original Post) Hissyspit Sep 2014 OP
Yeah! irisblue Sep 2014 #1
YEAH!!! Hulk Sep 2014 #2
Yes.....good news...nt Stuart G Sep 2014 #3
YES! Dont call me Shirley Sep 2014 #4
And They Wonder billhicks76 Sep 2014 #5
They also make you wanna puke!! AngryDem001 Sep 2014 #13
Excellent! Justice in Kansas! Excellent! ... bet that really po's the KS PTB! RKP5637 Sep 2014 #6
GREAT! elleng Sep 2014 #7
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Sep 2014 #8
YESSSSSSS lamp_shade Sep 2014 #9
This is a good thing. wandy Sep 2014 #10
! immoderate Sep 2014 #11
Sweet. nt deminks Sep 2014 #12
Excellent! Control-Z Sep 2014 #14
According to the TRMS show the Secretary of State Kobach is making up new rules. TexasTowelie Sep 2014 #60
Unanimously! Take that Mr. (Koch) Kobach! n/t pampango Sep 2014 #15
This is the guy who the GOP wanted to keep on the ballot rocktivity Sep 2014 #16
Tsk tsk... Now who is the one really broke the weak laws here? TRoN33 Sep 2014 #17
K&R Woot! ~nt~ 99th_Monkey Sep 2014 #18
Sounds like here in Naples (Teabagger Area), Florida HockeyMom Sep 2014 #19
Hope you can write-in a suitable name - even your own. nt No Vested Interest Sep 2014 #68
This is good news for Alaska Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #20
It won't have any effect. TexasTowelie Sep 2014 #61
I understand that, Blue_In_AK Sep 2014 #63
K & R SunSeeker Sep 2014 #21
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2014 #22
pat roberts drray23 Sep 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author bigworld Sep 2014 #24
Donald Peking Duck. Historic NY Sep 2014 #25
Ben Gazhi? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #29
LOL. Historic NY Sep 2014 #35
Why? There are races running unopposed I thought still_one Sep 2014 #26
The court is not requiring that.. its Kobach the Rethug SOS who made that statement. DCBob Sep 2014 #27
I don't think so either. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #31
Excellent! DCBob Sep 2014 #33
"admonished Kobach for filing materials past the court's deadline" NYC Liberal Sep 2014 #44
good news, at least some people in Kansas have good sense wordpix Sep 2014 #85
The Supremes rightly ignored this issue. It looks like the Dems now have 10 days... IllinoisBirdWatcher Sep 2014 #37
Democrats should knuckle under.... whistler162 Sep 2014 #52
Not the court, Kobach, LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #28
So the Democrats tell Kobach to fuck off..or he can go back to the Court for another beat down. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #30
I have the niggling suspicion that this is LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #34
Hot, hot, angry air because Kansas is now lost, the Senate is lost and Kobach is personally fucked. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #42
I didn't see anything in the article linked that said the court was requiring A Simple Game Sep 2014 #32
Full written decision of court link...the court only granted mandamus, ordering removal of the name. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #40
there is another lawsuit hfojvt Sep 2014 #72
Not the court saying that, Kobach is saying it in desperation, and holding up the printing of Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #36
The court addressed that issue on one paragraph of their opinion happyslug Sep 2014 #43
Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! It's been forever since Democrats caught a break in Ks. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2014 #38
This is very good news and could be the key race to retaining Senate control. DCBob Sep 2014 #39
Here is the actual Court opinion happyslug Sep 2014 #41
don't particularly think Pat Roberts complies with election law PatrynXX Sep 2014 #45
Good news, but the headline could have been more illuminating. George II Sep 2014 #46
I truly hope this works out for the Democrats. But isn't there some hypocracy at play here? rhett o rick Sep 2014 #47
Its all about retaining control of the Senate. DCBob Sep 2014 #55
As I said, I understand and agree. I just don't like it when the self-righteous tell rhett o rick Sep 2014 #67
Securing the Senate also trumps "values". DCBob Sep 2014 #74
However, since a Democrat is no longer on the ballot DUers can support a third party candidate. TexasTowelie Sep 2014 #62
I love your rationalization. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #66
I think that "rule" leftynyc Sep 2014 #71
I think you will find that most of the DU'ers pulling for Sen Sanders do so in the anticipation he rhett o rick Sep 2014 #75
Why would he do that? leftynyc Sep 2014 #76
If he runs as an Independent he will be shunned by the Corp-Media. nm rhett o rick Sep 2014 #78
he'll be shunned anyway as too old, too liberal, too socialist, too antiwar wordpix Sep 2014 #86
Hypocrisy? On the part of the GOP, perhaps. MADem Sep 2014 #80
A brief glimpse of sanity- KrazyinKS Sep 2014 #48
Wow! Will it be appealed and reversed? Cuz that how things roll in the US. nt valerief Sep 2014 #49
No this is The highest court in Kansas happyslug Sep 2014 #81
Wow! Now that amazes me. No recourse for Republicans. Well, except to Crock the Vote. nt valerief Sep 2014 #83
Off to the races n/t tooeyeten Sep 2014 #50
This is where election fraud happens: people like Kobach, Husted, Harris, Blackwell. riqster Sep 2014 #51
Ha! WhiteTara Sep 2014 #53
Kansas iamthebandfanman Sep 2014 #54
Side note: The Schloz is back! rurallib Sep 2014 #56
Okay, all together now . . . Jack Rabbit Sep 2014 #57
Go Sunflower State! Sienna86 Sep 2014 #58
Bu-Bye, Pat Roberts! ReRe Sep 2014 #59
Is that the end of it? Does the SoS have the option of appealing this? n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #64
No this is The highest court in Kansas happyslug Sep 2014 #82
Suck on that KKKobach. SoapBox Sep 2014 #65
Typical Republican parlor tricks: davidpdx Sep 2014 #69
But will the SOS actually DO it??!! blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #70
this is an odd thread hfojvt Sep 2014 #73
It's another defeat for voter suppression. randome Sep 2014 #77
Kris Kobach is an idiot Gothmog Sep 2014 #79
"whether it was sufficient for the Dem to simply cite the relevant law in his withdrawal letter" wordpix Sep 2014 #84
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
2. YEAH!!!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 05:47 PM
Sep 2014

Great news. There is a better chance of keeping the Senate from falling over to "the Dark Side".

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
14. Excellent!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:17 PM
Sep 2014

I'm so tired of Republicans cheating and making up new rules and restrictions (out of thin air) at every turn.

TexasTowelie

(112,070 posts)
60. According to the TRMS show the Secretary of State Kobach is making up new rules.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

The court made the decision today because ballots were supposed to be printed tomorrow so that they could mail the ballots to overseas armed forces personnel on Saturday. Kobach is now saying that the received a waiver from the Justice Department to allow eight extra days before the ballots to be mailed.

However, it does not appear that Kobach has the authority to require the Kansas Democratic Party to name someone to the ballot.

rocktivity

(44,573 posts)
16. This is the guy who the GOP wanted to keep on the ballot
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:20 PM
Sep 2014

so he'd split the vote with the independent? The one who submitted his withdrawal in time, but they claimed it was improperly worded? Then CUE THE VONAGE THEME!


rocktivity

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
17. Tsk tsk... Now who is the one really broke the weak laws here?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:21 PM
Sep 2014

Of course the answer is ; the Republicans!

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
19. Sounds like here in Naples (Teabagger Area), Florida
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 06:24 PM
Sep 2014

at least for local seats. My choices are Republican A, Republican B, or "Independent". They fight over who is MORE Conversative. How about None of the Above? I don't vote for any of them. Wish I could vote NONE of the Above.

Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
27. The court is not requiring that.. its Kobach the Rethug SOS who made that statement.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:33 PM
Sep 2014

"Kobach said he was giving the Democratic party a week to name a new candidate and would hold up printing ballots during that time. He had previously said ballots had to be printed Friday so counties could begin sending them to overseas voters such as military. Asked what he would do if Democrats did not name a new candidate, Kobach said he would review his legal options."

I doubt he has any legal options.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
31. I don't think so either.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:41 PM
Sep 2014
Kobach, the Kansas Secretary of State, tried to hang Taylor on the ballot on what amounted to a technicality, but the state's highest court didn't buy Kobach's reasoning. Nor did the Kansas Supreme Court say the Democrats had to foist another candidate on the ballot. (Justices also admonished Kobach for filing materials past the court's deadline.)

http://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives/2014/09/18/kris-kobach-cant-keep-chad-taylors-name-on-the-november-ballot-court-rules

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
44. "admonished Kobach for filing materials past the court's deadline"
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:09 PM
Sep 2014

Oh the irony.

Or hypocrisy, I suppose.

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
37. The Supremes rightly ignored this issue. It looks like the Dems now have 10 days...
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:46 PM
Sep 2014

The law is very specific and requires a party to hold a convention within 10 days of official notification of the vacancy.

Since the SoS' stated opinion until today was that there was no vacancy, that 10 day clock should start from whenever he now, as required by law, officially notifies the state Democratic Party.

No way can he force them to pick a candidate within his ballot printing deadline. He would be violating the law (and he has already had his hand slapped pretty definitively).

If he prints ANY ballots with Taylor's name on them, he is in direct violation of the writ of mandamus from the supreme court. So his military and absentee ballots should go out with no name.

Can he have two sets of ballots? Some with the name and some without? I guess he could try that, but I suspect the Justices would take official notice.

Gives the Dems 10 days to find a willing 'Pat Roberts' to declare he is running.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
28. Not the court, Kobach,
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:33 PM
Sep 2014

who will review his legal options if Democrats don't name another candidate.

At a news conference after the court decision, Kobach said he was giving the Democratic party a week to name a new candidate and would hold up printing ballots during that time. He had previously said ballots had to be printed Friday so counties could begin sending them to overseas voters such as military.

Asked what he would do if Democrats did not name a new candidate, Kobach said he would review his legal options.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
34. I have the niggling suspicion that this is
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:44 PM
Sep 2014

"go down fighting" rhetoric. I think maybe he knows he's full of hot air. But -- he's full of hot air.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
32. I didn't see anything in the article linked that said the court was requiring
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:42 PM
Sep 2014

the Democrats to name a new candidate, it said that Kobach was giving them a week to name one. Do you have a different article that states the court required it?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
72. there is another lawsuit
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 07:46 AM
Sep 2014

filed by a registered Democrat asking the courts to force the Democratic Party to name a candidate.

Of course the registered Democrat in question happens to have a son who is working for the Brownback campaign.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
36. Not the court saying that, Kobach is saying it in desperation, and holding up the printing of
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:45 PM
Sep 2014

ballots, even though he argued (lied) to the Court that the ballots had to be printed and sent out by
tomorrow....it is just something he will take to Fox News to spin some conspiracy.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
43. The court addressed that issue on one paragraph of their opinion
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:03 PM
Sep 2014
With this determination, we need not consider the parties' numerous other arguments. Nor do we need to act on Kobach's allegation that a ruling for Taylor would require the Kansas Democratic Party State Committee to name his replacement nominee per K.S.A. 25-3905. The Kansas Democratic Party is not a party to this original action, and this court does not issue advisory opinions. Gannon v. State, 298 Kan. at 1119.

http://www.kscourts.org/Cases-and-Opinions/opinions/SupCt/2014/20140918/112431.pdf


In simple terms the Court said it would NOT rule on that issue UNLESS it comes before them in a separate action. The Democratic Party of Kansas was NOT a party to this action and as such the court can NOT order them to do anything. If it was permitted to give "advisory" opinions, which some state permit their courts to do, then it could make such an advisory opinion, but like the Federal Courts, the Kansas courts can NOT give such advisory opinions, only opinions where there is an actual issue in litigation and then restricted to that issue.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
39. This is very good news and could be the key race to retaining Senate control.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 07:55 PM
Sep 2014

Who would have thought Kansas, of all states, would be in such a position!

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
45. don't particularly think Pat Roberts complies with election law
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:10 PM
Sep 2014

he sorta needs to live in the state O_O

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
47. I truly hope this works out for the Democrats. But isn't there some hypocracy at play here?
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:16 PM
Sep 2014

The Democratic Party candidate was encouraged to withdraw in favor of a third party candidate. In other words Democrats are being encouraged by the Party to support a Third Party candidate over a Democratic Candidate. I don't think that suggestion would have been accepted here in DU where we must support the Democratic Party over Third Party candidates.

Before you flame me, I think it's a great idea and hope Sen Pat Roberts gets clobbered.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
55. Its all about retaining control of the Senate.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:56 PM
Sep 2014

Last edited Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:08 PM - Edit history (1)

That supercedes all else.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
67. As I said, I understand and agree. I just don't like it when the self-righteous tell
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 12:51 AM
Sep 2014

others that they always must vote for the Party candidate. I say you should always vote to uphold Democratic Values.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
74. Securing the Senate also trumps "values".
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:07 AM
Sep 2014

I am not so interested in Orman's values as his vote with the Dem caucus.

TexasTowelie

(112,070 posts)
62. However, since a Democrat is no longer on the ballot DUers can support a third party candidate.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 10:01 PM
Sep 2014

The Democrat withdrew voluntarily. I doubt that it was political pressure from DUers that made him do so.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
71. I think that "rule"
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 05:17 AM
Sep 2014

was effectively thrown out the door when Bernie Sanders decided he may run and so many DUers are pulling for that.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
75. I think you will find that most of the DU'ers pulling for Sen Sanders do so in the anticipation he
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:27 AM
Sep 2014

will run as a Democrat.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
86. he'll be shunned anyway as too old, too liberal, too socialist, too antiwar
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 12:43 PM
Sep 2014

He is not MSM's candidate

MADem

(135,425 posts)
80. Hypocrisy? On the part of the GOP, perhaps.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 01:06 PM
Sep 2014

Taylor, the Democrat, QUIT the race. He actively, decisively QUIT.

He wrote a letter saying he QUIT. He Sherman Statement-ed it, too.

The court agreed with him.

Now the GOP wants to force the Dems to name a replacement candidate.

I'd say the "hypocrisy" is with them, because they want a three-way race in order to boost the chances of their weak candidate.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-chad-taylor-kansas-20140916-story.html

KrazyinKS

(291 posts)
48. A brief glimpse of sanity-
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:23 PM
Sep 2014

I don't see that very often around here but- I do estate sales and I have been hearing from fellow Democrats, they speak up right in front of me at the sale in front of tea party people saying lets get rid of Brownback. Kobach latest ploy is that the Dems need to have a name on the ballot because they need to be printed by Friday for early voters and such. They guy is a dick, I mean really.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
81. No this is The highest court in Kansas
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:06 PM
Sep 2014

Given there is NO Federal issue, the federal courts have no jurisdiction to hear any appeals. Thus thus this is final as to this issue.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
51. This is where election fraud happens: people like Kobach, Husted, Harris, Blackwell.
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:32 PM
Sep 2014

Election officials are almost always the perpetrators. Voters? Almost never.

Good on the Kansas Supreme Court!

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
54. Kansas
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 08:40 PM
Sep 2014

has been getting a heavy dose of super right wing governmental and economic policies ...
which has to be helping this race be closer...
I wish more people were talking about that

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
56. Side note: The Schloz is back!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:10 PM
Sep 2014

Can't remember the Schloz real well but sort of recall he was one of Attorney Ridiculous Alberto Gonzalez main hatchet men. Seem to recall he couldn't keep his lies straight before a congressional hearing.

Welcome back Schloz! Still on the wrong side of history I see.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
57. Okay, all together now . . .
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:14 PM
Sep 2014

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ReRe

(10,597 posts)
59. Bu-Bye, Pat Roberts!
Thu Sep 18, 2014, 09:20 PM
Sep 2014

Hope Orman caucuses with the Democrats. So are we learning how to play chess now in this democracy?

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
82. No this is The highest court in Kansas
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:08 PM
Sep 2014

As I said above no federal issue is involved thus no appeal to the Federal Courts.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
69. Typical Republican parlor tricks:
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 02:07 AM
Sep 2014

The court specifically avoided answering the question of whether Democrats must pick a new nominee. Within minutes of its ruling, an attorney for David Orel, a disgruntled Democratic voter from Kansas City, Kansas — whose son works on GOP Gov. Sam Brownback's re-election campaign — filed a new petition with the high court to force Democrats to name a candidate.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
73. this is an odd thread
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 08:03 AM
Sep 2014

cheering on Democratic Underground the fact that Democrats will NOT have a candidate in a Senate election.

So even though the "independent" is
1. a member of the 1%
2. talks like a goddamned libertarian

apparently I am supposed to hold my nose and vote for him as the "lesser of two evils".

Are these the same people who would protest against voting for a Democrat for that reason?

On the other hand, Orman IS exactly the kind of guy the KDP likes to recruit as a statewide candidate, and Kansas Democrats almost always run to the right. They have to, considering the electorate they are working with.

I guess I would feel better if Orman, with the same flaws, was running as a D, because that would sort of open the door for a future D candidate without those two flaws - in theory.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
77. It's another defeat for voter suppression.
Fri Sep 19, 2014, 09:46 AM
Sep 2014

That was Kobach's end-game.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you don't give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else, you're cheating someone.[/center][/font][hr]

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
84. "whether it was sufficient for the Dem to simply cite the relevant law in his withdrawal letter"
Sat Sep 20, 2014, 12:39 PM
Sep 2014

If the relevant law is not a sufficient reason, what is? Is a health crisis sufficient? Is a family emergency sufficient?

What asshats that the justices question whether or not a relevant law is sufficient as a reason to withdraw

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