Three Afghan Soldiers Visiting Cape Cod Have Gone Missing
Source: NBC NEWS
By Tom Winter
Three soldiers from the Afghanistan National Army visiting Cape Cod, Massachusetts, for a military exercise have gone missing, according to the U.S. National Guard. The National Guard in Massachusetts says they believe at this time there is no threat to the public.
Maj. Jan Mohammad Arash, Capt. Mohammad Nasir Askarzada, and Capt. Noorullah Aminyar were last seen at the Hyannis Mall Saturday evening, a National Guard source tells Cheryl Fiandaca of NBC affiliate WHDH.
A senior law enforcement source tells NBC News the FBI Field Office in Boston is aware of the disappearance and takes these matters seriously. The source tells NBC News that these soldiers are vetted by a wide variety of agencies very carefully before being allowed to travel to the United States.
Locally, the National Guard is asking for the public to provide any information if they know the whereabouts of the three soldiers.
Read more: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/three-afghan-soldiers-visiting-cape-cod-have-gone-missing-n208551
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)cstanleytech
(26,242 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)The soldiers stay at Camp Edwards on Cape Cod.
"Three soldiers from the Afghanistan National Army visiting Cape Cod, Massachusetts, for a military exercise have gone missing, according to the U.S. National Guard. The National Guard in Massachusetts says they believe at this time there is no threat to the public."
That is why they are there.
Now if you want to know specifically why cap cod it doesnt say but there are alot of military installations in the area so its hardly surprising that they would use them for military training exercises.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Though it also has the ordinary rappelling/fastroping/climbing over things courses, which they may have been training on. Or for that matter maybe they were being trained in unit administration at an office there.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Peacekeeping/conflict resolution work between a bunch of international actors.
They found 'em at the border trying to get into Canada. Bad move on their part. Canada's worse than we are these days.
rug
(82,333 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Two captains and a major, wanted to start a new life in the west.
rug
(82,333 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)want to stay in a backward hellhole if they thought--even mistakenly--that "gentle Canada" might welcome them?
They may have been operating under the Trudeau-ish, Chrétien-y, concept of FRIENDLY Canada--not the hard-nosed, business-is-business Harper Canada.
rug
(82,333 posts)to quell terror in the region. First chance they get, they bolt. That is embarrassing. It also doesn't bode well.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's also video'd up the yin-yan.
WBZ Security Analyst Ed Davis says he does not think there should be cause for major concern.
Its certainly an unusual incident and it needs to be checked out, Davis said. The only cause for concern is the fact that there have been Afghan soldiers who have turned on their United States counterparts and Im sure thats on most of the minds of the people doing the investigation.
Regional Cooperation has been held annually since 2004, includes five different nations and has more than 200 participants.
Earlier this month, two Afghan police officers who were training with the DEA vanished while on a trip to Washington. The police officers were located and will return to Afghanistan.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/21/3-afghan-national-army-soldiers-missing-from-cape-cod-base/
There's more here than meets the eye, I think. I don't think we're getting the full story.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)I could find on the site that they had been found. Aside from the nasty comments on the site....one person asked why they didn't have a military escort if they went off base. I wondered, also, how these participants from 5 nations are allowed to leave base without any supervision.
What are they here training for, anyway. Average Americans are being being put through TSA inspection with everything we travel with restricted, our private data collected and stored and also shared with another country and cameras are everywhere and our police are now militarized against the citizens. Yet we are doing "training exercises" in bases all over the USA? Afghan's training on Cape Cod? Maybe Colorado or Arizona might be better in terrain. What are they training for and why are they here? Is this why Dempsey is so freaked out that ISIL could be a threat here to US citizens? Because we already have done "Military Exercises" here in the USA with some that now lead that group? Is that what's more there than meets the eye?
My tax dollars going to train people from 5 unidentified nations on Cape Cod.....and why shouldn't I know what they are being trained for? And, why are they allowed in malls and to drive around on their own without supervision. ON EDIT: These are the countries..from Cape Cod News Online article linked here: "Along with the U.S. and Afghanistan, military officials from Tajikistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan and Mongolia" are at the base.
Have they been found yet?
MADem
(135,425 posts)http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/09/21/three-afghan-soldiers-missing-from-joint-base-cape-cod/qPrmtD6AF7X51GtJeTMCfI/story.html
We invited them to the country, theyre allowed to be here, Aranda said. Right now, tips will be share with all of the appropriate agencies.
There are 200 people from six nations participating in the exercise, including 15 officers and senior enlisted personnel from Afghanistan, said Sahady. The two-week annual exercise, sponsored this year by US Central Command, is designed to strengthen relationships between the US and participating nations. The soldiers arrived at Joint Base Cape Cod on Sept. 11.
This mil-to-mil stuff is common. Look at any War College or even military academy roster--there are tons of foreigners in those classes. The Germans have a base at Dulles airport, and a squadron at Holloman AFB in NM. There are Turks working in logistics facilities in the US, there are foreign officers on exchange programs doing everything from leading companies in OCS to working in US units alongside American counterparts. Joint training is VERY common, joint exercises are very common, there's nothing "new" in this except perhaps the plus-up of activity at Otis (which isn't called Otis anymore). In years past this kind of exercise might be happening in TX or AZ or maybe CA, but it would be happening.
I've done mil-to-mil stuff as well as been assigned to foreign nations. My orders allowed me to go off-base when off duty. I'm guessing their orders had the same sorts of permissions. It's allied training--they aren't prisoners.
They are in hot water with their bosses if they weren't kidnapped, though...! If they went AWOL to go work in NYC, they will be caught eventually. If they went AWOL to cause trouble, well...that could be a problem.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)"Along with the U.S. and Afghanistan, military officials from Tajikistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan and Mongolia are at the base."
We are all supposed to have our "Hair on Fire" that ISIL infiltrators could be coming here to America to commit terrorist acts when we have people from countries who don't regard us fondly coming here to train to keep peace who can leave the base (even with chaperones as the Cape Cod News reported) and yet they manage to slip away just as the two Afghans did in DC.
I wouldn't necessarily trust "Centcom's Vetting" ....why should we.
And why are we training "certain people" in Peacekeeping here in the USA when we are supposed to be wary of people who could turn on us that we've trained like those who make up the "dreaded" ISIL.
It doesn't look good on the face of it....and I don't want my tax dollars going to this when we here at home are are paying for now an "endless war" based on terrorists wanting to kill us and yet we now help train them here in the USA as well as in their own countries.
And Peace Keeping training for foreign countries when we just had the militarization of our police in Ferguson. Perhaps we'd be better Peace Training our own here in the USA than those from countries not friendly towards us who have terrorists within and any one of them could be a special "agent" as we use our CIA to infiltrate groups in other counties.
That's my concern. And, I tfeel it's more than "Nothing to See Here with these two incidents...just move along." This is a CentCom Program that needs some major scrutiny and evaluation for effectiveness going forward.
Peace!
MADem
(135,425 posts)The idea is to focus on inter-operability so everyone is using the same playbook, the same standards, the same essential equipment, so that if we are tasked to do something in cooperation (or they are), that they can get to work straight away without saying "We're going to use these protocols and this equipment and this methodology to do X job"-it is what militaries do, customarily, when they are maintaining readiness with their allies. I hardly think teaching anyone about international human rights standards is a bad thing, in any event.
The three guys were trying to get to Canada, because they had the mistaken impression that Canada was more liberal--they found out otherwise. Canada doesn't care about asylum for Afghans. They care about people with lots of money who will start businesses, and people with special skills that Canada is shorthanded in possessing.
The only alternative is to never do any training on US soil. And that's just a crappy idea, frankly. These mil-to-mil relationships provide future foreign leaders with a deep understanding of what life in USA is actually like, and this kind of stuff works to our benefit. Russia does it, China does it, it's par for the course with allied nations--and it's a two way street. While Afghanistan doesn't have assets like a military war college or advanced training, places like Japan and Pakistan and UK do, and we send our people over there too.
The CENTCOM vetting actually worked--all the guys who went walkabout weren't terrorists...they were just guys who wanted to go over the wire and settle in a western country.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)they are thought to have been met by a female relative and to have driven to Buffalo where they have relatives.
Maybe they want to live in a country that isn't in turmoil, just like many of those from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala who cross our southern border.
MADem
(135,425 posts)a more dire scenario, certainly.
EX500rider
(10,810 posts)Life's a little more modern and easy in the US, hard to blame them.
cstanleytech
(26,242 posts)they probably have a better chance at getting asylum there than they do in the US if that is their goal.
mallard
(569 posts)That's basically the most likely theme with Afghan army officers chosen for this extraordinary trip to a nice place in America. These are guys that have gotten along well with US soldiers or they'd never have made it to Cape Cod.
They'd probably started out joking with each other along the way about their chances of giving up a marginal existence serving in an unpopular quasi colonial military to 'go for it' and live a better life away from the dangers and likely outcomes of unending war.
Suspicions about them being a threat expressed here, despite claims otherwise by the people who lost track of them, are really out of hand.
MADem
(135,425 posts)cstanleytech
(26,242 posts)the hate directed at those children who tried to flee to the US for sanctuary that was in the news.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Canada's more interested in worker bee skills and rich people than the whole "human rights" thing, these days. http://www.macleans.ca/economy/business/land-of-misfortune/
truthisfreedom
(23,140 posts)far and wide.
drmeow
(5,012 posts)My first thought was that they had been subject to foul play not that they were engaged in foul play. I'd like both to be wrong.
ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)father founding
(619 posts)You go to the Cape for sea food, not chicken.
Oktober
(1,488 posts)drmeow
(5,012 posts)There's a lot of anti-foreign/anti-Muslim sentiment in this country. Something could have happened to them. What it interesting to me is that my reaction what "did something happen to them?" while most of America's reaction was "what are they doing?" It just seemed to me to be a dramatic difference which struck me.
mackerel
(4,412 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)and will be found consuming Chowder nearby.
Or .. something more sinister.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)and shopping for paintings of seagulls
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Canada is getting VERY shirty about immigration, lately--their leader is like George Bush with an "Eh!"
You need a skill or lots of money to get in their door, these days. They don't care about that "Give us your tired/poor" stuff anymore, either.
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2014/05/12/canadas_immigration_system_undergoing_quiet_ugly_revolution.html
Following the immigration act of 1967, Canada began selecting immigrants on the basis of characteristics such as education, work experience and proficiency in English or French. The points system made immigrant selection transparent, and it overcame the racism that had heretofore dominated the system. The point systems blend of pragmatism and equity has gained the respect of other countries; more than a few are considering it as a model for their own immigration policies.
If the current government has its way, the points system will be gone from Canada by 2015 and replaced with Express Entry, which is essentially a job bank serving government and industry, matching prospective immigrants with employers seeking workers. According to Citizenship and Immigration Canada, the program will select the best candidates . . . rather than the first person in line. Ironically, the same government accuses refugees of being queue jumpers and denies status to people most in need of Canadas protection.
We havent seen such naked pragmatism since the Railway Act of 1925 gave Canadas two railroad companies virtually full sway over immigration. This almost century-old triumph of pragmatism enabled Canada to admit people and let them stay only as long as the country needed their labour. If they did overstay their welcome, practices like the infamous Chinese Head Tax prevented them from reuniting with their spouses and children.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)Wait for Fox-nonsense and the rest of the hate radio to scream it from the hilltops tomorrow.
DFW
(54,302 posts)Something you don't usually get offered in Afghanistan.
Oh, well, at least with our stringent gun laws in the USA, it won't be easy for them to get their hands on any firearms to do any mayhem, if that's what they had in mind........
KoKo
(84,711 posts)There are 200 soldiers and civilians participating in the seven-day event at Camp Edwards on Joint Base Cape Cod. Along with 12 other members of the Afghanistan National Army, the three men were all engaged in the joint exercise that focused on working on collaboration and tactical strategies that involved civilians and officers and senior enlisted personnel, Sahady said. There were six nations, including the U.S., participating in the exercise, which is ongoing and is scheduled to wrap up by Wednesday. They were housed on the base and all participants at the exercise were vetted by U.S. Central Command, Sahady said.
U.S. Marine Lt. Col. Jon Custis of the U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida, who organized the training exercise, did not return a call Sunday seeking comment.
"They had the freedom to come and go," Sahady said. "If they were off-duty, they could go to McDonald's or the mall."
The three arrived in the country on Sept. 11, Sahady said. Saturday was a free day. They were last spotted Saturday night at the Cape Cod Mall, Sahady said.
The Times attended the training exercise on Friday where military officials from the six nations involved were huddled around laptops, maps and projector screens working through various training scenarios. During the Times visit, none of the soldiers involved carried weapons.
The goal of the exercises, which are organized by U.S. Central Command, is to promote cooperation among the countries and prepare them for participation in international events. This particular event is geared toward a United Nations' peacekeeping mission.
Along with the U.S. and Afghanistan, military officials from Tajikistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan and Mongolia are at the base.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)How the heck can they lose 3 Afghan soldiers?
Demeter
(85,373 posts)I learned to drive there, and spent many a fine hour lost, stuck in traffic, or otherwise not where I wanted to be.
This AWOL on top of the Boston bombing is an unsettling development, though.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)The cape during the off season is not to tough to manage. But with so many "well vetted" afgahni soldiers turning on US troops there it does worry me a bit. I am sure they will turn up.
FSogol
(45,452 posts)Thanks
MADem
(135,425 posts)They should have gone to NYC. They'd have stood a better chance of disappearing there!
They aren't prisoners, they are guests in the country. They were "AWOL" from THEIR boss's nightly check, not ours.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)with the UN in town this week, security is pretty tight in midtown (where I work).
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)I don't think our military should do these training 'camps' here in the USA. There is to much of a contrast between our militaries and what their country expects of them. A Maj. and 2 Capt.s, these men planned this 'escape' together.
PuraVidaDreamin
(4,099 posts)There are 200 soldiers and civilians participating in the seven-day event at Camp Edwards on Joint Base Cape Cod. Along with 12 other members of the Afghanistan National Army, the three men were all engaged in the joint exercise that focused on working on collaboration and tactical strategies that involved civilians and officers and senior enlisted personnel, Sahady said. There were six nations, including the U.S., participating in the exercise, which is ongoing and is scheduled to wrap up by Wednesday. They were housed on the base and all participants at the exercise were vetted by U.S. Central Command, Sahady said.
U.S. Marine Lt. Col. Jon Custis of the U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida, who organized the training exercise, did not return a call Sunday seeking comment.
"They had the freedom to come and go," Sahady said. "If they were off-duty, they could go to McDonald's or the mall."
The three arrived in the country on Sept. 11, Sahady said. Saturday was a free day. They were last spotted Saturday night at the Cape Cod Mall, Sahady said.
The Times attended the training exercise on Friday where military officials from the six nations involved were huddled around laptops, maps and projector screens working through various training scenarios. During the Times visit, none of the soldiers involved carried weapons.
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140922/NEWS/409220314/-1/NEWS11
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Still is questionable as to why this training needs to take place here in the USA. Helping the Cape Cod economy isn't enough for why they are there on Cape Cod when we are all being warned that terrorists from other countries could be here in the USA ready to strike. Yet here we are training them and getting them used to areas of our country they otherwise wouldn't know how to navigate.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)As in, two Afghan soldiers disappeared.
Paper Roses
(7,471 posts)Yes, they disappeared.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Coming from a landlocked country, maybe they didn't know how to handle themselves in surf.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)usually call them illegal immigrants. Or it could be worse.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)at Cape Cod. They are officers in their military, not people here visiting as tourists. Tajikistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan and Mongolia are hardly countries we need to be doing training exercises with on Cape Cod....
Snip from article:
There are 200 soldiers and civilians participating in the seven-day event at Camp Edwards on Joint Base Cape Cod. Along with 12 other members of the Afghanistan National Army, the three men were all engaged in the joint exercise that focused on working on collaboration and tactical strategies that involved civilians and officers and senior enlisted personnel, Sahady said. There were six nations, including the U.S., participating in the exercise, which is ongoing and is scheduled to wrap up by Wednesday. They were housed on the base and all participants at the exercise were vetted by U.S. Central Command, Sahady said.
U.S. Marine Lt. Col. Jon Custis of the U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida, who organized the training exercise, did not return a call Sunday seeking comment.
"They had the freedom to come and go," Sahady said. "If they were off-duty, they could go to McDonald's or the mall."
The three arrived in the country on Sept. 11, Sahady said. Saturday was a free day. They were last spotted Saturday night at the Cape Cod Mall, Sahady said.
The Times attended the training exercise on Friday where military officials from the six nations involved were huddled around laptops, maps and projector screens working through various training scenarios. During the Times visit, none of the soldiers involved carried weapons.
The goal of the exercises, which are organized by U.S. Central Command, is to promote cooperation among the countries and prepare them for participation in international events. This particular event is geared toward a United Nations' peacekeeping mission.
Along with the U.S. and Afghanistan, military officials from Tajikistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan and Mongolia are at the base.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)know of many who came here on an education or work visa and did not go back home. They could have planned to do just that.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Update: Afghan soldiers violated no laws
By George Brennan
gbrennan@capecodonline.com
September 22, 2014
CAMP EDWARDS A military spokesman for the U.S. Central Command said there is no reason to actively search for three Afghan soldiers who wandered away from the Cape Cod Mall Saturday night because they violated no laws.
The three men, Maj. Jan Mohammed Arash, Capt. Mohammad Nasir Askarzada and Capt. Noorullah Aminyar, disappeared during an off-base visit to the Cape Cod Mall in Hyannis Saturday night. They have active visas and are considered foreign delegates during their stay, he said.
The spokesman could not say how long those visas are good for, but the training exercise that brought them to the United States is scheduled to end Wednesday. He said they were expected to attend the training sessions, but their absence is not criminal.
He referred calls to the Massachusetts State Police, who could not immediately comment.
Earlier today, the same Central Command spokesman said the three men were on a chaperoned trip to the mall when they got separated and disappeared. Chaperones were not required for the trip off Joint Base Cape Cod, the official said.
They were participating in a chaperoned event to introduce them to cultural aspects of American life, the spokesman said. He declined to provide his name.
The spokesman was at a loss to explain why neither the U.S. Central Command nor the Massachusetts National Guard have released photographs or descriptions of the three missing men publicly. Three police chiefs from the towns surrounding Joint Base Cape Cod said theyve been given little information about the men.
Their information has been very generic, just attempt to locate and notify them if located, Sandwich Police Chief Wack said.
Lt. Col. James Sahady, a spokesman for the Massachusetts National Guard, has said repeatedly that the men dont pose a security threat.
None of the soldiers had access to weapons, the spokesman for U.S. Central Command said. They were not involved in any field exercises involved with weapons, the spokesman said.
http://www.capecodonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20140922/NEWS11/140929953/0/NEWS11
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Two Afghan policemen who were in the United States for drug trafficking training and vanished over the weekend have been found, says the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
The two men - Mohammad Yasin Ataye, 22, and Mohd Naweed Samimi, 24 - were picked up Thursday night and returned to Quantico, said Rusty Payne, a DEA spokesman. Payne did not have details on where they were found but added that they, along with the other Sensitive Investigative Unit program participants, will return to Afghanistan tonight as scheduled.
A federal law enforcement official confirmed the Afghan nationals were picked up in Buffalo, NY without incident.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)>last seen at the Hyannis Mall <
Do they suspect them of terroristic shopping?
They grow up having to use mud for a floor, twigs for pencils to write in it if they attend anything even remotely resembling a school.
Then they are allowed to roam Hyannis Port, and their choice is now to return to that lander of dust in your soup shot at by criminals who the U.S. governement helps create and fund, or run away and live on the Cap, find a part-time job in an ice cream parlor.
Tough choice.
I wonder if they just lifted their head to look around, and just kept walking in amazement.
PuraVidaDreamin
(4,099 posts)Just a few weeks ago two Cape Down Winders took the media
Down there to show them how lax security is.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)will, what, buy the shirt off the rack we really wanted because they got there first?
Fucking Americans getting exactly what their paranoid shriveled asses deserve - scared of nothing, and creating enemies everywhere.
If Americans were smart they would be more scared of what they see in the mirror.
Such a bunch of bs.
PuraVidaDreamin
(4,099 posts)I agree wholeheartedly- blowback will be coming our way!
I try to make life hard on Entergy tho' every chance I get.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)is a story on CNN now about their "capture", which does nothing but hype up bigotry, etc.
Apparently they made their "getaway" by calling a taxi...
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)Either that or we should impeach Obama for allowing this to happen on his watch.
Take your pick.
benld74
(9,901 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Given some of our home grown crazies, i fear the worst.