Armed Neo-Nazis Now Patrolling Sanford, Say They Are

[kpete]

Source: Miami New Times

Armed Neo-Nazis Now Patrolling Sanford, Say They Are "Prepared" For Post-Trayvon Martin Violence
By Michael Miller Fri., Apr. 6 2012 at 7:00 AM

Members of the National Socialist Movement during a patrol on the US-Mexico border in January



Neo-Nazis are currently conducting heavily armed patrols in and around Sanford, Florida and are "prepared" for violence in the case of a race riot. The patrols are to protect "white citizens in the area who are concerned for their safety" in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting last month, says Commander Jeff Schoep of the National Socialist Movement. "We are not advocating any type of violence or attacks on anybody, but we are prepared for it," he says. "We are not the type of white people who are going to be walked all over."

Because nothing diffuses racial tension like gun-toting racial separatists patrolling an already on-edge community.

Schoep, whose neo-Nazi group is based in Detroit, tells Riptide the patrols are a response to white residents' fears of a race riot.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/04/heavily_armed_neo-nazis_patrol.php

Read more: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/04/heavily_armed_neo-nazis_patrol.php

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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/06/armed-neo-nazis-patrol-the-streets-of-sanford-looking-for-race-riots/

[ZombieHorde]

1. Uh oh. Nazis are not known for making things better. nt

[leftyohiolib]

3. there's nothing like neo-nazis to prevent a race riot

the patrols are a response to white residents' fears of a race riot.

[Boabab]

22. By starting a race riot themselves? n/t

[nanabugg]

98. Why do these people not look "white?" nt

[freshwest]

20. Wonderfully understated.

[teddy51]

2. Well holly crap, a few of those people do not look like they are white to me. Maybe I need to get

my eye's checked but! SWTF?

[my2sense]

4. I saw the pic

and had the same thought...

[longship]

7. As long as they're good Christian folks and not black

Disgusting people, from my home town, no less - Detroit.

But when they say Detroit, they don't really mean Detroit. It's like M&M who likes to make people think he's a Detroiter when he probably never lived south of Eight Mile Road that he made famous.

I was born as raised in Detroit. These guys ain't from Detroit. Probably from Bloomfield Township, Inkster, or some other suburb. Not Detroit.

[ashling]

8. That's what I thought

[RufusTFirefly]

9. Race is completely arbitrary! It is what you want it to be

If that "yellow" dude thinks he's white, more power to him.
Of course, down the road the rules may change and he could find himself on the outside looking in, but what the hay.
Irish- and Italian-Americans were considered "colored" at one point in America's storied racial history.
When you come down to it, "white" means people you agree with!! Nuff said!

[saras]

24. Well, no. Race is what those with power over you want it to be.

These folks are only "white" as long as the REAL white folks find them useful.

And who are the REAL white folks? There's a Gahan Wilson cartoon (copyright, of course) that covers it.

Apocalyptic war, entire planet destroyed, one filthy man with a rifle left standing. "I think I won!"

[freshwest]

21. teddy51, We're out of touch. These are the new improved Nazis. Less thuggish, perhaps... Well...

[sofa king]

36. Hitler had a soft spot for the Japanese.

While I can't find a quote from the guy himself, other official Nazi sources, apparently including a Hitler Youth yearbook from 1939, describe the Japanese as "Asian Aryans." The Germans were willing to entrust the Japanese with their finest technology, including jets and atomic research, and continued to offer technological support to the Japanese long after it was nearly impossible for the two nations to maintain contact.

For more pragmatic reasons, particularly supplies of tungsten which the Germans desperately needed, the Germans also supported the Chinese while China and Japan were fighting. Some 300,000 German M35 "Fritz" helmets made it to the Chinese, who used them for the duration of their war against Japan and later the Communists.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Revolutionary_Army

Of course, supporting someone he probably planned to exterminate later was nothing new to Hitler, so we would be unwise to conflate Hitler's support with Hitler's approval.

[slackmaster]

42. The photo with the skinny Asian-looking individual in it was taken in 2009

[OnlinePoker]

50. Well, Zimmerman's Hispanic so I guess it stands to reason

Hate anyone who is darker than you?

[Taverner]

72. Nazi Lowriders - it's a Nazi group that recruits latinos

http://prisonoffenders.com/nazi_lowriders.html

NAZI LOWRIDERS RECRUIT HISPANIC MEMBERS
The NLR has recently began choosing the color of money over the color of skin by recruiting hundreds of new Hispanic members. As a result, the NLR and Aryan Brotherhood recently severed their 20 year alliance. The AB ordered the NLR to terminate all non white members but the NLR refused. The California Department of Corrections (CDC) has recently begun segregating both ruthless prison gangs due to growing tension.


Big into meth transport, I understand

[trixie]

78. OMG Me too!

[Grassy Knoll]

5. Well, Well, Well....

Look what fox news and rush lumpy spawned. If there is a race riot
these jokers won't be able to exchange depends undergarments fast enough
to get the hell out of dodge. LOL Good luck with that.

[gejohnston]

6. they claim they are operating within

Florida's gun laws. If they are, they are not armed. I'm guessing they are setting themselves up for felony charges.
Florida banned open carry in 1893 (selectively enforced until the past 30 years) including vehicles. They can't carry concealed without permit, which I doubt they have. How many neo-Nazis have clean records? I bet more than a few of them could be looking at federal time for possessing a firearm (felons, domestic abusers). Not that they are not a threat, but bullies like these guys have more in common with Walter Mitty than Charles Bronson's "Death Wish" character.

[Joseph8th]

10. Oh come ON...

... you think it makes any difference if you're an ex-con in Florida?! Well, it's not.

[gejohnston]

12. of course not, no more or less than anyplace else

but if the local ATF office really wanted to do something useful, they could be looking around.

[Joseph8th]

11. Maybe Sanford...

... should stand their ground against these assholes.

[gejohnston]

17. if it comes to that,

they should. I don't think it will. Chances are, these assholes would run at first sign of resistance. The thing that scares Nazis more than having a non white neighbor, is a liberal with a gun.

[leftyohiolib]

32. that's exactly what the puppet masters want, us to start fighting amongst our selves

cause we're getting too close to them.

[Joseph8th]

48. Yah... Someone was gonna...

...say it. Hyperbole or not. And yeah, your right that's what 'They' want, meaning, I'm assuming, the would-be race-warriors awaiting Civil War II. I'm just saying at some point, why not just give it to 'em?

"The South will RISE AGAIN!"

"Yeah, and the North will SMACK IT right back down."

[antigone382]

67. These racist Nazis are from Detroit. What does the South have to do with them?

Believe it or not, a lot of Southerners fought and died to defeat the Nazi's. Whatever the South's flaws, the vast majority of people in the South are as disgusted to see these guys there as are people from the North.

[pasto76]

13. they all look like pussies to me; especially in that top pic

I would love to go toe to toe with them, any way they like. Just me and the "dirty spics" and "f-ing coons" from my old platoon.

that top pic - see, regular douchebags holding guns look like, well douchebags. There isn't a soldierly thing about them. To me, they look just as dorky as some of the weirdos at ComicCon or a Renfair.

oh btw, I can guarantee my squad would win. g-u-a-r-a-n-t-e-e. God I hate chickenhawks like these

[Norrin Radd]

15. Hey now! On your side, and am a Comicon/Renfair fan.

[gejohnston]

18. I hate chickenhawks as much as you do but

I like Renfairs too.

[Joseph8th]

52. That's not fair!...

... to ComicCon or Renfair! At least regular dorks are only armed with toy-phasers or swords (axes, spears, crossbows, etc.)

That said, I'd pay good money to see a squad of NSM squatbags rushing across a field in their little Nazi uniforms, swords raised, and crashing into a line of Knights of the SCA. I can see the headlines now: "Medieval Massacre at Sanford Fairgrounds".

[LibertyLover]

86. I know a few

KSCAs who would just love to teach these people a few lessons in melee and skirmish. Not mention a couple of dozen combat archers.

[Aristus]

14. As usual, the neo-Nazi dipshits are doing their own salute wrong.

Middle finger is supposed to be at eye level...

Oh well, even Hitler got it wrong. A lot.

And I'll proudly show them all my own middle finger anytime...

[Norrin Radd]

16. Yikes! I made the mistake of looking at commentary on that

Miami NewTimes site. Scary.

[Ruby the Liberal]

19. How does CCW work in Florida

Can any idiot with a gun just show up down there and CCW, or do they have to file with the state?

[tishaLA]

26. 1 in 17 Floridians have concealed carry permits

According to a report I read this week. That means there are about 219K Floridians who can be strapped like Zimmerman was.

[GreydeeThos]

30. Concealed Carry Weapons laws state explicitly that the weapons can only be used in self defense

These Nazis are carrying guns and are out looking for trouble. In my non-legal educated mind, that would make them on the edge of violating the law.

[Joseph8th]

53. Ahhh... but...

... so was Zimmerman.

That's the problem.

[obamanut2012]

37. It depends on if they have reciprocal agreements with other states

re: CCW permits, so maybe.

[PavePusher]

60. Information here:

www.handgunlaw.us

[daligirl519]

23. Nationalist "Socialist" Movement. . . ?

I thought the right-wingers didn't like "Socialists." Somebody explain this to me.

[CreekDog]

25. they weren't "socialists" in that sense

the Nazi's went after the left, communists and intellectuals with vigor and did not go after conservatives and fascists anything like that.

"socialist" is a misnomer...it's also a right wing meme to say that because they had "socialist" in their name that when the right wing accuses Obama of being socialist, that what they are accusing him of is in part, what the Nazi's were.

a myth.

[wordpix]

43. definitely--- Nazis of the 1930s-40s were supported by industrialists & corporatists

They hated socialists, communists and intellectuals, despite the "Socialist" in their name.

[Mc Mike]

35. Good one. Ironic, isn't it.

National socialists govs grabbed all the resources of their nations and administered them (handed them over to their corporate overlords). As opposed to standard socialists, who think the nations' resources should benefit all the members of society, which is a 'verboten' concept to the repugli-nazi party in the US.

[Joseph8th]

54. Yah... There's history there...

... The Nazis, we might recall, were able to gain power by infiltrating existing right wing political parties, and ultimately concentrating power in the intentionally misleadingly named "National Socialism", meant to appeal to workers, to keep them away from commies and socialist democrats. Here's Wikipedia's take:

The ideology was developed first by Anton Drexler and then Adolf Hitler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism.[7] Initially Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, though such aspects were later downplayed in the 1930s to gain the support from industrial owners for the Nazis; focus was shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.[8] Nazism promoted political violence, militarism, and war, it conceived of politics as being a "battle", and the Nazis utilized their paramilitary organization, the Sturmabteilung (SA) for violent attacks upon those they opposed, particularly communists, Jews, and social democrats.[9]

[HooptieWagon]

123. My understanding

You had to be a registered party to get on the ballot in Germany. The Nationalist Socialist Party was barely functional and near bankrupt. The future NAZIs took over the party and used it as a vehicle to get on the ballot. Had to keep the name b/c thats what they were registered under. I dont know if this is fully correct, its what I heard a while back.

[Jamaal510]

27. To be honest, I think that blonde girl in the photo is kinda cute.

But on a more serious note, these guys look familiar. Their group must not be that big...aren't these the same Neo-Nazis who were in this video?
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[slackmaster]

41. The Astute Reader(TM) will note that the video in reply #27 was posted on YouTube in 2009

[saras]

28. They wasted the Million Man March on the White House

20,000 unarmed black men, all wearing black hoodies, patrolling the streets of Sanford. With Skittles and Coke, in case they encounter someone in a diabetic coma.

You'd have to say "excuse me" just to fit between them.

[OVERPAID01]

29. Look at the pride and anger

Look at the pride and anger on their faces. They take great pride in their ignorance and violence, this can't be good.

[lunasun]

99. And so young and they will raise children to be the same way also

[lunatica]

31. Neo Nazis, skinheads and all Charles Manson wannabes

Have been doing whatever they can to start real race wars. They yearn and pine for violence and killing and blood running in the streets. They live for the day they can lynch and terrorize and maim and murder a whole group of people just for having skin pigmentation that's different than their pasty white skin. They carry the Christian banner as if it's justification for the vile hatred they feel towards anyone not of their particular brand of hateful religion.

They are shit.

[jmowreader]

87. Agreed, and it's exactly what they do NOT want to do...

A hell of a lot of Infantrymen are black guys, in either the Army or the Marine Corps.

OTOH, the military will not accept anyone with known racist tendencies, like joining the Nazi Party.

These fucking punks who are all hell bent on wanting to kill people are eventually going to come across someone who both hates them and has been trained to kill people, and then there will be an immediate and significant decrease in the number of nazis in the world.

[leveymg]

33. All they want is an excuse to shoot people - Mexicans or Blacks, they're not real picky.

It's the killing thing that gets them off. Zimmerman is part of the same Gun-Power Movement. The rest of us are just targets.

[Mc Mike]

34. I wonder which party those assholes are backing this November.

They are trying to instigate riots, to benefit the repugs politically.

"Nazis! I HATE nazis!" -- Jake Blues

[Joseph8th]

55. Oooooohhhhh.... 2 + 2 = ...

... I just put 2 & 2 together. THAT'S where they got the line for Indiana Jones.

[Mc Mike]

127. That's the movie where the nazi got his face melted, right?

nt

[Brigid]

124. "I hate Illinois Nazis!"

That was a slightly different group, the National Socialist White People's Party.

I jist watched "The Blues Brothers" a few nights ago.

[Mc Mike]

126. I liked when The Penguin beat the boys with the yardstick,

which made them swear, which made her beat them, which made them swear, etc. The movie Neighbors, with Belushi and Aykroyd, has a lot of funny stuff in it, too.

[sarcasmo]

38. Is that an Asian neo nazi? I didn't think they would allow an Asian in the mix.

Had one of these douche bags in my taxi years ago. Asked what I was and I said Cherokee then he didn't say another word, which was fine with me.

[IamK]

39. I hate Florida Nazi's... n/t

[amandabeech]

71. Where are Jake and Elwood when you need them?

They'd run these idiots off the bridges in Florida with the Bluesmobile.

But seriously, this is not a good development.

[slackmaster]

40. This story is bullshit. Free publicity for a small group of skinhead keyboard commandos.

And a lot of people have fallen for it.

[Joseph8th]

56. True, but...

... the days of ignoring these assholes are over.

It's time for a pushback, in the public sphere of debate, as well as in meatspace. You say we've "fallen for it"...

... but I say we're finally "rising to it" -- the occasion, that is. We've got to confront all these bastards, all the time, every time they open their mouths. If they get PR because of it, well, it's going to be on our turf, and we're going to get PR out of it, too. Assholes like this activate the slothful. How is that bad?

[slackmaster]

59. Yeah, time for pushback. We need to get a bunch of people together and stop all the vigilantes.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

75. Gratuitously Dismissive of a Very Real Issue

So typical.

But heh thanks to gun advocates they can be heavily armed.

[Hoyt]

81. Exactly.

[slackmaster]

89. Pardon me for being unable to overlook the fact that the OP isn't even true

[onehandle]

44. The purposeful misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment is all about White Power. nt

[hack89]

46. So why are so many gun control laws rooted in racism?

why was so much effort put into disarming minorities?

You can't have it both ways.

[onehandle]

49. The misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendment is not a guarantee of arms to everyone.

Just the cash bearing ones.

[Joseph8th]

57. Individual right to carry...

... NEEDS to be rescinded. SCOTUS made a BIG mistake finding that the 2nd Amendment allows individual right-to-carry. It DOES NOT. It specifically states "WELL-REGULATED MILITIA".

Where's the effing regulations? That's what I want to know.

[PavePusher]

61. Actually, it "specifically states" "the right of the people".

And there are lots of regulations. You can look them up quite easily in this Information Age.

Start here: www.handgunlaw.us

[hack89]

121. Regulated = well equipped and trained

the meaning of word has change a lot in 200 years.

[notadmblnd]

45. well he's not hard to find.

a quick google search reveals his home address. Seems he lives in Eastpoint Mich.

Eastpointe (formerly East Detroit) is a city in Macomb County of the U.S. state of Michigan. As of the 2010 census, the city population was 32,442. Eastpointe forms a part of the Metro Detroit area. It borders on 8 Mile Road on the northern edge of Detroit.

History

The community was first settled by Irish and German immigrants in the 1830s. In October 1897, a Post Office was established there with the name of "Half-way", as it was near the halfway point of the stage run between downtown Detroit and the Macomb County seat at Mount Clemens. It incorporated as the village of Halfway in December 1924 and reincorporated as the City of East Detroit in January 1929. Prior to 1924, most of the community formed a part of Erin Township. The city changed its name to "Eastpointe" after the change was approved by residents in a 1992 referendum; the name change had been proposed to remove any perceived association with the adjacent city of Detroit; the "-pointe" is intended to associate the city instead with the nearby affluent communities of the Grosse Pointes.

The city's school district was unaffected by the municipal name change, and still is called East Detroit Public Schools. It has one high school (East Detroit High School), one middle school (Kelly Middle School), and six elementary schools. East Detroit Public Schools serves Macomb County residents, whose primary district boundaries encompass the City of Eastpointe and the southeastern portion of the City of Warren.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastpointe,_Michigan


bunch of rednecked trailer trash

[antigone382]

70. Hi, so...

I'm really not trying to be nitpicky...but the fact is, I live in the Appalachian South. My family lives in a trailer, and I am friends with lots of other people who live in trailers, who have the kinds of accents, education levels, and incomes that get people labeled "redneck," "trailer trash," and other pejorative terms used mostly against the Southern poor. But they are people that I love. They are very good, but very poor people, and it hurts enough when I hear those words, used here or elsewhere, to define them as less valuable human beings. When I see the same words used to describe neo-Nazis, it is even worse. Not only are my friends and family described as worthless trash; they are just the same as the most violent and hateful elements in society.

The word "redneck" has an ugly, classist history. Please consider the people who can be hurt by these kinds of pejorative terms.

[notadmblnd]

83. well I was speaking of the idiot from Michigan and an area that a has few trailer parks up here

but if you identify your friends and family with what I said, then who is the one who really has a problem? I too have family that live in manufactured home communities and there is a difference between them and the racist trash that lives in Eastpoint Mich.


I am sorry that you took offense.

[antigone382]

106. If they are racist trash, it is acceptable and sufficient to call them racist trash.

There's no reason to invoke harmful slurs that have been historically applied to people who have nothing to do with the situation. The fact is, "redneck," "trailer trash," and "white trash" each have pejorative, interrelated histories, attached mostly to the Southern poor, with roots in classist, anti-labor, and anti-populist movements, as well as eugenics ideology. Here are some links that detail the history of these ideologies, and why those words, the stereotypes they invoke, and the status of inferiority and "otherness" which they confer on a specific class of people, are so damaging.

"Poor White Trash: The Legacy of Carrie Buck and Eugenical
Sterilization in the United States" http://toto.lib.unca.edu/sr_papers/history_sr/srhistory_2004/whisnant_heather.pdf

"Race, Racism, and Human Genetics: Poor White Trash" http://raceandgenetics.blogspot.com/2010/10/poor-white-trash.html

"Redneck: a Short Note from American Labor History" http://www.jstor.org/stable/455956

http://www.redneckparty.org/ (this is a political group attempting to reclaim the connection between the term "redneck" and its pro-labor origins as connected to miners' strikes. However, their attempt to redeem this term does not justify its continued use as a pejorative.)

When I say my family lives in a trailer, it means that *I* have spent many years of my life in a trailer. You may distinguish between "trailer trash" and people who merely live in trailers, but that distinction rings a little hollow in my ears. There's really no way around it; defining people as inferior based on their residence categorizes people who live in trailers as inferior, even if you do the kindness of saying that some who live in trailers are not "trailer trash."

These racist assholes are an ugly group of people with ugly beliefs. How they may or may not be housed has nothing whatsoever to do with that.

[unionworks]

97. Excellent Point

...well made!

[antigone382]

113. Thank you.

People don't understand the history or the harm of these classist stereotypes. It stigmatizes an already marginalized group--the people who live in substandard housing; who don't have access to good education, healthcare, or jobs; who live in environmentally degraded areas like the coal fields, and who in every way represent a particularly needy and exploited group.

People like to smirk and sneer about all those inbred, toothless hicks living in shacks without indoor plumbing, their pregnant daughters getting married at seventeen, relying on duct tape and WD40 to hold together barely functioning appliances, selling pills or meth or moonshine (depending on the era) to make ends meet...ignoring that the very behaviors and situations they find so amusing/disgusting are *common expressions* of poverty, lack of opportunity, and hopelessness. They don't know about the history of struggle and exploitation. They just play on an acceptable stereotype and ignore its implications.

I think John Sheldon Reed said it best: "just as rednecks seem to be the last remaining identifiable ethnic villains, so hillbillies appear to be the last acceptable ethnic fools." We're just funny, subhuman caricatures, not worthy of respect or human empathy. I've seen too many friends shoved through the criminal justice system, murdered, driven to suicide or drug overdoses, dragged to the ground in more ways than you can imagine, to casually tolerate a mindset that they are worthless or deserving of contempt because of assumptions about them based on their accent, clothing, or place of birth.

[unionworks]

115. I understand perfectly.

...Have a blessed holiday.

[The Wizard]

47. The reason

the machine gun was invented. This is a terrorist organization. If they were wearing turbans or head scarves the feds would be all over them.

[lonestarnot]

51. And what is the deal? Is the FBI waiting for them to be all in 1 place to make their job easier or

do they want to join in on a picnic?

[Joseph8th]

58. Right... EXACTLY...

... We don't even have to go that far! Just imagine if the New Black Panthers had been showing up to Occupy protests armed like the Teabaggers were. Suddenly the gun nuts wouldn't be so nuts for guns, would they?

It's revealing. Racism is alive and well, in America.

My friends, these are bullies.

How do we deal with bullies?

We stand up to them.

[Oneka]

77. AS a gun rights enthusiast

I have no problem with, the New or Old black panthers showing up at protests or anywhere else they might like to assemble, "armed".

Yes racism is alive and well, in America, as it was in 1967 when the Mulford act was passed in California.

Some history about the Mulford act, which was signed into law due to the armed presence of Black Panthers, on the steps of the California assembly. It was signed into law by none other then Ronald Reagan, suddenly gun grabbers aren't in such wholesome company
eh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

Not one gun nut, here at DU, or anywhere else i have ever seen, advocates for gun rights, for whites only.

We don't even have to go that far! Just imagine if the New Black Panthers had been showing up to Occupy protests armed like the Teabaggers were. Suddenly the gun nuts wouldn't be so nuts for guns, would they?

I find it personally insulting to be conflated with racists, just because of my stance on second amendment/gun rights issues.

While racism is still alive in America , so is Anti rights bigotry, as illustrated by your own comments.
Perhaps we can end both, if we try hard enough.

[Mc Mike]

125. The New B Ps are a BS fake gov outfit, J8.

They have been denounced by surviving leadership of the real Black Panthers, as Jesse Jackson pointed out recently. The new BPs are an offshoot of Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, which has formed alliances with skin heads, klansmen, and American nazis. (They agree on opposition to 'race mixing', and share hatred for Jews). Farrakhan's NOI also attacked original Black Panthers.

They also are trying to stir up racial trouble around the issue of Trayvon's murder, like their white nazi buddies. And race trouble and riots are what the repugs want for this election, just like when that fat pig Limbaugh said he was dreaming of riots for the Dem Convention in '08. Let's hope the new 'Black Panthers' stay away from our occupy protests, and let's get back to bashing nazi repugs and their street level scumbag white 'supremacists'.

[qb]

62. Thank you, neo nazis, for expressing what many in government believe

but know better than to say out loud. These are the allies of those who passed "Stand Your Ground"

[Justice wanted]

63. Please tell me this nightmare of craziness will end soon.

[pscot]

64. The Koch brothers must be so proud

[Odin2005]

65. The bastards admit Asians?

[Posteritatis]

68. Well, they did the last time around. (nt)

[slackmaster]

73. What's wrong with admitting Asians?

[truth2power]

66. It's worth noting that journalist and author, Chris Hedges, has been raising the alarm

for the past few years about just this eventuality -- that when the social and economic underpinnings of a society come under attack, that the system "VOMITS UP" (his term) these kinds of movements.

He makes this point both in his book, "Death of the Liberal Class" and in his many talks around the country. He bases this view on what he witnessed as a war correspondent in Bosnia and other foreign countries.

Looks like it's all playing out as expected.

[RZM]

119. They've been here the whole time

Every once in a while, these losers show up in public, make a little noise, and get a little bit of attention Then they go away. This is one of those times.

[truth2power]

130. Yes, they've been here, but were mostly marginalized....

When Hedges says, "vomit up" I think he's saying, "Don't bank on them going away.".

[RZM]

131. They are pretty well marginalized now

As are there cousins in the NBP and at Westboro Baptist. All groups get media attention because their idiocy makes good copy. But in the end, very few people support them.

[libodem]

69. Lay down with dogs

You are going to get fleas. Sanford chose with whom to lie down. Motherfucking idiots. I'm ripping my hair out, the frustration is so gut wrenching.

[drm604]

74. They'll prevent trouble in the same way that Zimmerman prevented trouble.

Assholes.

They're there to protect white people? I don't know of any history of white people being in danger in Sanford. If history is any guide, it's not the white people who need protection there.

So now we have multiple Zimmermans "patrolling" to protect the terribly oppressed and endangered white residents from black children.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

76. WATCH HOW SOME OF DU GUN SUPPORTERS SPIN THIS ONE

.

[Oneka]

79. Or we can watch as DU gun control supporters,

conflate, a clearly racist organization, and it's activities, with DU gun supporters.

A vile , bigoted, conflation, with no evidence to support it, yet here it is.

As a DU gun supporter, i await your apology.

[Kolesar]

80. So, you joined this forum just to tell me *that*

Uh, no thanks

[Oneka]

93. feel free to ignore

no one is forcing you to read a thing i post.

Last time i looked this was a public forum.

[Hoyt]

82. The few DU gun supporters may be wonderful people, but to keep them in guns we have to allow jerks

like neo-nazis, TBaggers and run of the mill yahoo racists to arm up too. I'm sorry, it's not worth it.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

85. Exactly

.

[Remmah2]

91. The few?

Both of em.

[Oneka]

95. I believe rights are inherent

we get them at birth. In the USA we don't seperate people from their rights just because of their political affiliation, or racist attitudes,
even if you don't particularly like that group of people.

Try replacing "gun supporters" with "free speech supporters" , or "abortion rights supporters" and see how well your drivel holds up.

[Doctor_J]

122. We don't?

As was said upthread, let a bunch of armed, foaming-at-the-mouth Black Panthers show up and brandish their arms at a Cantor rally, the way the Teabaggers did at Dem rallies, and see how that goes.

Wake up

[fightthegoodfightnow]

84. Ridiculous

I said some. And make no mistake it's because you have your gun rights, that this racist organization is able to be armed with guns. Take some responsibility for that. When you apologize for that, then I'll consider your request.

[Oneka]

96. Last time i checked

we both have gun rights, you see thats how rights work, we all get them or none of us do. whats ridiculous is, you thinking that gun rights are just mine, and making it somehow my fault that a racist group enjoys that same right.

They were born with their gun rights, just like you and me, the fact that they chose to be racist assholes, has nothing to do with my gun rights. So since you and i both enjoy our gun rights [not exercising your 2A right doesn't mean that you don't have it], then you must be just as culpable as me, for a racist organization being armed, right? Did i get that straight? Heh.

So instead of offering me a richly deserved apology, you doubled down on your ridiculous conflation, by stating that it's somehow my fault, that racists are armed, that might be the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

110. Ok

That's your opinion.

[petronius]

107. Even people we don't like are entitled to civil rights and civil liberties; no one

owes you an apology for that.

But of course, intimidation, assault, brandishing, terroristic threats, etc are still crimes - and when/if these skinheads cross that line they'll be arrested...

[Remmah2]

90. Spin what?

Antagonism sucks.

[fascisthunter]

94. yup

trying to tell DU that the gun nuts here ain't what they claim to be.

[sarisataka]

101. I would be temped to sell tickets

To when these clowns meet the NPBs doing their house to house search

Unfortunately some innocent passerby would be injured or killed and all gun owners would be accused of being exactly like them.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

104. Nah

Just means the same right that gives you guns allows this racist bigoted group of nuts to flaunt guns to intimidate people.

[sarisataka]

108. Some days...

that equal protection clause is a bitch.

As despicable as I find these types I have to agree they have the same rights as any of us to spew their hatred. Just walking with a gun, while intimidating to some, is not a crime, any sort of harassment is and should be dealt with immediately.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

109. Interesting it's the Equal Protection Clause That First Comes to Mind (and with merit)

I was thinking the more relevant clause is the Second Amendment.

And I agree with the rest of your post.

[sarisataka]

111. Both are relevant...

If I have the the right the keep and bear arms... so do they.
If I back your right to speak your mind, I have to allow theirs.

Freedom isn't ideal in all cases and no right is superior to any other.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

112. Agree

Don't disagree....just noting what part of Constitution first came to you mind regarding that post.

[McCamy Taylor]

88. Another good reason to stay the hell out of Florida.

No tourism dollars should go to the state until they get this menace off the street. When will someone's Obama 2012 "scare" one of these Nazis? These guys are salivating at the thought of shooting _____and getting away with it on the grounds "I was scared! He wore a hoodie!" Shudder what to think they will make of a Muslim woman in a veil. "Terrorist! Shoot her before she blows up!"

[muntrv]

92. I'm going to Florida next week to visit my mother and stepfather. They live in Kissimmee.

I'll remember to avoid Sanford.

[lunasun]

100. Omg that blog link.....how many there blame this on Obama is strange enuf but the

Jewish guy who wants the Nazis to come protect him from Al Sharpton or whatever , whats in the H2O in Miami??
Thanks for the links
creepy as they are
like a car wreck
I couldnt look away

[starfox172]

102. love how racists complain about minorities pulling the race card, and here they are using the race

card. how hypocritical >_<

[caseymoz]

103. What about the race riots the Neo-Nazis start?

Yeah, they're cool, level-headed people.

[HelenWheels]

105. Racist comments

Click on the Miami New Times and read the mostly racist comments posted. If this is the type of people that live in Florida it would be wise to stay out of that state.

[primavera]

114. Oh yeah

These are the guys I want to see armed to the teeth and standing their ground.

[Katashi_itto]

116. Need to send the Neo-Nazis a care package of Hoodies to wear on patrol...

[AmateurPolymath]

117. What a bunch of fucking morons

Excuse me for being a psychological quack, but I guess every high school dropout needs some kind of identity to derive security from. These angsty fucks are making fools of themselves, being racist entirely for shock value, probably using the justification of "Political Correctness" they acquired from watching too much South Park. Honestly, I hate that show now...

If I believed in God, I'd pray for the Sanford residents' safety right now.

[Ganja Ninja]

118. So I guess this means that under the stand your ground law ....

Jews, people of color, gays and just about anybody can shoot them on sight. After all they are armed and represent a serious threat to their life.

[Brigid]

120. Racist morons running around with guns.

What would possibly go wrong?

[crunch60]

128. I don't want anyone doing the old"Sieg Heils" anywhere near me. These

dorky looking marshmallows look like they couldn't fight their way out of a cardboard box. When certain segments of society become disenfranchised, they join these types of groups, makes their lives seem meaningful, gives them a purpose.

[dipsydoodle]

129. 'There's a race war going on': Nazis come to Trayvon Martin's town

Say what you like about neo-Nazis, they certainly know how to exact a shine from black leather footwear. Antony Antonio’s lace-up army boots were glinting menacingly in the streetlights as he strode through Sanford late on Tuesday.

The heavily tattooed 33-year-old skinhead had driven two hours from Hernando County, on Florida's western coast, to reach this suddenly newsworthy city north of Orlando. He intended to spend his night "on patrol" with fellow volunteers from the National Socialist Movement (NSM), the nation's largest white-supremacist group.

"We're here because we got some calls from concerned citizens of Sanford's white community," he said. "We're going to be doing patrols, driving and walking around, to make sure there's nothing violent going on, or anything getting out of hand. It's been on the news about a race war going on, and people are worried. So we want to be sure that white residents of the area feel safe."

The "race war" Mr Antonio was talking about involves the public's reaction to the death of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager who was shot and killed as he walked through one of Sanford's many gated communities on the evening of 26 February.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/theres-a-race-war-going-on-nazis-come-to-trayvon-martins-town-7637222.html