ISIS releases sickening video clip showing Syrian woman being stoned to death by group of men
Source: Daily Mail (UK)
Islamic State militants fighting in Syria and Iraq have released a sickening video of a young woman being stoned to death by a group of men - including her own father.
The shocking footage is understood to have been filmed in the city of Hama and shows a bearded cleric ranting at the woman in Arabic and accusing her adultery while she pleads for her life.
The woman turns to her father and begs his forgiveness but he coldly rejects her, saying he would rather please God. He then turns to the men to give the signal for his daughter's murder to begin.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2801575/isis-releases-sickening-video-clip-showing-syrian-woman-stoned-death-group-men-including-father.html
"he would rather please God"...From the Religion of Peace no doubt.
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Turbineguy
(37,285 posts)"I'd rather not have these idiots murder me as well."
CANDO
(2,068 posts)eom
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)big_dog
(4,144 posts)
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Chemisse
(30,802 posts)I wish them good luck.
riversedge
(70,049 posts)
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)Its bad enough how women are treated there, but to hear about this in 2014, the year may as well be 996 BC. Bastards.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)That said, I'm still not inclined to send US troops there. We've been played so many times, and this is probably part of that game (do we have confirmation this is true, by the way?).
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)badly acted? I do not know, I refuse to watch.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)With lots of hawks calling for war, you never know.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)
Sundome
(26 posts)The video may be real but I'm still not convinced ISIS is. Jeremy Scahill speaking on Democracy Now pretty much nailed my thoughts on them.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)
Newsjock
(11,733 posts)Here's a somewhat less screaming link:
http://www.straitstimes.com/news/world/middle-east/story/syria-man-stones-daughter-death-alleged-adultery-isis-video-20141021
BEIRUT (AFP) - An elderly Syrian took part in stoning his daughter to death for alleged adultery, in a video posted on YouTube by the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group on Tuesday.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said the execution took place in August or September in an ISIS-controlled rural area in the east of the central province of Hama.
It was the latest in spate of videotaped executions that the extremists have posted on social media as they impose their extreme version of Islamic syariah law across a swathe of Syria and neighbouring Iraq.
In the video, a bearded gunman in combat fatigues stands behind the father, who is dressed in the white robe and chequered headdress typical of the Syrian countryside.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)doesn't change the fact it is, in fact, sickening. Sorry your delicate sensibilities wont allow calling stoning a woman to death sickening. What adjective would you suggest?
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)However, it did NOTHING in terms of changing the fact that this was "sickening"!!
Not sure why calling this "sickening" act what it was upset you?
Or did you not think stoning the girl to death was "sickening"??
Newsjock
(11,733 posts)As pointed out downthread, this type of thing has been going on forever, long before there was an ISIS or even an al-Qaida. People live in "sickening" conditions all around the world, and people do "sickening" things all around the world. Sure, ISIS might be using such imagery to (very effectively) troll the world and generate its own outrage, but this is really about nothing more than trying to drag the U.S. and others back into the perpetual Mideast conflict.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)as they are the ones who released it.
840high
(17,196 posts)
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)lets see...
anti-woman
anti- semitic
anti-muslim who is not them.
anti-Christian
anti-Buddhist
to quote mellowdem...
."Islam, a terribly regressive, fucked up, misogynistic religion"
R.Quinn
(122 posts)This narrative suggests that these horrific acts are only happening because of the existence of ISIS, when in fact they've already been happening there for a very long time. You can never let a good crisis go to waste, and this tragedy will be used as another excuse to wage more war abroad.
On a separate (but no less important) note, I am deeply grieved for the poor woman who lost her life.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)out of her. of course they stripped off her pants at some point. a mob of men. killing this girl. and a really long video of it.
is this the new porn to get off on?
i like to stay caught up on the sick thing we do to our girls, for our guys to be entertained. just a fetish i am sure. and we should never call out mans fetish.
no. i did not watch, to feel the power men feel over this girl..... not being privileged, of course, or entitled.... to fuckin' live.
eissa
(4,238 posts)I do think they get off on this. They're not allowed to fuck 'em because that would be immoral, so killing them becomes their outlet.
Won't watch the video. I saw one of those a long time ago and it still haunts me.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)we can be with a girl. whatever... as bad as want, wtf... , just more and more to get off on.
zazen
(2,978 posts)because male ownership, totalitarian control, rape, beating and murder of women and girls is apparently a cultural difference that needs to be respected rather than a travesty of human rights that needs to be shunned by the rest of the civilized world.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)doing whatever nasty degrading shit, and calling it a fetish. to be a true democrat, we are told, we are not allowed to judge, shame or speak out, since it is merely a fetish....
it is not any one country. it is not any one religion. i am so tired of the many many creative ways, men have come up with in humiliating and degrading and shaming and hurting women for their entertainment.
these videos of men in mobs, killing girls and video'ing it for entertainment, is just another avenue of late.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)One stones women to death for having an affair... the other pays women to have an orgasm on camera.
Yet you say they are the same?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)RKP5637
(67,084 posts)evil POS.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)Honor killing fun for the whole community!!!
eissa
(4,238 posts)also had the woman's father and male relatives involved, along with what appeared to be the entire neighborhood. The girl was accused of dating a man outside her faith. They beat her to death using stones, bare hands, clubs -- whatever they could. As a final insult, they lifted her skirt as she lay dying. I can't even wrap my head around such brutality -- not against a stranger, let alone my own child. It was horrific.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)To kill one's own child. I wonder if they feel any grief? No one can tell me that all the males in one family go simultaneously insane, along with their neighborhood. There are implanted ideas at work there.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)no purpose in that. I really can't stand the power these animals have over innocent people. 7 billion plus humans on this planet, with a not so small number engaged in actions such as this and people with a conscience cannot stop the war mongers, east and west. We can't stop them from murders such as this, or the killing of 1/2 million innocents based on lies and from disrupting human life in tragic and vicious ways. People who have nothing to do with the geo-political struggles going on. Just living because we/they were born into this existence. I'm really reaching the end of my understanding of these types of activities.
HOW CAN WE STOP all OF THEM, civilized and not so, religious or not so? Christian, Muslim or not? HOW?????????
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Denigrates all Moslims as supporting Isis- "From the Religion of Peace no doubt."
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Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)good to know.
bookmarked.
hexola
(4,835 posts)Common phrase used over there...
harun
(11,348 posts)And this Muslim is thankful for that.
We know we are losing the last bit of support we had for equal treatment which was from Progressives.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)a few rare isolated incidents and people freak out.
eissa
(4,238 posts)That's the problem -- instead of addressing the cause that leads to women being treated as trash in middle eastern societies, you look at every critical encounter as an "attack" on your religion.
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)exactly.... totally unfair.
its a shame one or two isolated bad apples leads to these unnecessary attacks on religion.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)At least we are gaining some support for not side-stepping the murdering and maiming of women and girls because of some protected status of their culture.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Accusations?
No witnesses? No evidence? Just the cleric's accusation?
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)on the radar. ISIS, the Taliban---just a bunch of filthy vampire capitalist thugs pretending to be religious while really doing the work of their rich masters in Saudi Arabia. And now they are trying to recruit men who hate and want to kill women. Lovely.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)...I am going to sarcastically post "Christianity, the religion of peace."
Actually, I think I will do it every time from now on. Over and over.
Prepare to eventually get tired of it.
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)Is that when people kill here, and say something like 'God told me to', or 'I did it to please God', it is treated as a criminal act, and in most cases the person is considered to be mentally disturbed. You can certainly hunt down examples from the past where killing in the name of Christ was openly condoned by the mainstream of Christian leadership, and done with some frequency, but it is getting harder to do nowadays, and in the West, it is impossible to find killing 'because God told me to' which is not treated as a criminal act.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Unfortunately law enforcement has broken down there.
Not sure why, something to do with a couple of wars.
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)No one will be prosecuted for this act. There are jurisdictions where, today, it is a sentence of a court, applying religious law, or more to the point Sharia. There are large swathes of the world, again, regions where Islam is far and away the majority faith, where such acts are common, and generally go unpunished by the authorities.
I have no particular quarrel with Islam, or even Islamic fundamentalists: I consider all the 'Abrahamic' family of faiths to be among the worst ideas ever to be-devil the human mind. But I will give blame where it is due, as I will give credit where it is due. And trying to pretend actions like this have some close parallel in the modern Christian world is a very difficult sell. The nearest you might manage would be some instances of murder of alleged 'witches' in countries in Africa, where it is very hard to tell whether it is Christian or older tribal ways being acted out.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Of course no one will be prosecuted when Syrian police can't get anywhere near ISIS.
Political representation and economic stability will put an end to this chaos. It doesn't matter what the religions are.
Edit - meant Syrian, but it is the same in Iraq.
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)Syrian law, and let us be clear, the purportedly secular, modern Assad-government law, mandates a minimum two year sentence for a man who comes upon a female relative en flagrante and kills them on the spot, however, it allows a judge to reduce or even waive entirely any penalty for a man who was 'motivated by honor' when he killed, with 'honor' here generally meaning punishment of adultery or premarital intercourse by a woman he is related to.
You are free to contrast that with any case you can find in the newspapers of someone here who has killed someone and told the court he was just doing what God said he must.....
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)That seems to be the gist of your objections here.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Keep working on that reading comprehension.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)"On 1 June, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad replaced this Article with one reading: "He who catches his wife, sister, mother or daughter by surprise, engaging in an illegitimate sexual act and kills or injures them unintentionally must serve a minimum of two years in prison."
Rights activists have welcomed the move but say the Article should be abolished altogether. They are also campaigning for the amendment of Article 192, which lets judges waive or reduce the punishment for any crime motivated by honour.
"You cannot abolish one penal code provision that protects these killers and leave others intact," Khalife said. "Article 548 was a start. Now the government needs to reform all the articles in the criminal code that treat those who say they kill for ‘honour' differently from other murderers." "
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Re-read your last one and come back to me. What was wrong there?
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)It is not, as the link might lead the casual observer to think, a U.N. or U.N.H.C.R. publication.
"This is not a UNHCR publication. UNHCR is not responsible for, nor does it necessarily endorse, its content. Any views expressed are solely those of the author or publisher and do not necessarily reflect those of UNHCR, the United Nations or its Member States."
It is, in fact from 'Freedom House':
"Freedom House, Women's Rights in the Middle East and North Africa - Syria, 14 October 2005"
Here are some of Freedom House board members currently:
William H. Taft IV., chairman, Kenneth Adelman, Farooq Kathwari, Azar Nafisi, Mark Palmer, P. J. O'Rourke, and Lawrence Lessig.
Past members have included Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Samuel Huntington, Mara Liasson, Otto Reich, Donald Rumsfeld, Whitney North Seymour, Paul Wolfowitz, Steve Forbes, and Bayard Rustin. Among these Jeane Kirkpatrick, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Forbes stand out particularly in assessing reliability and actual interest in human rights.
The document cited gives no detail whatever on the criminal code relating to killing to clear honor besmirched by a female relative's behavior. It does note such things as this, however:
"The Syrian legal system derives from French civil law, Turkish law, and Shari'a (Islamic law). Although the constitution guarantees "full rights and opportunity" for all citizens, exceptions exist in the nationality code, the personal status code, and the penal code that do not afford women full and equal status as citizens. The personal status code, the body of laws regulating family relationships and inheritance, makes women legal dependents of their fathers or husbands and denies women status as full legal adults in matters of marriage, child custody, and divorce."
"The penal code of 1949 affords women special protections from verbal and physical harassment and violence perpetrated by men, yet a number of other laws deprive women of these protections, usually for the sake of family "honor." For example, Article 508 of the penal code states: "If there is a contracted marriage between the man who commits rape, sexual abuse, kidnapping, sexual harassment and the victim, then there is no charge or the punishment is stopped." Victims' families may favor this option in order to mitigate public scandal. Many women do not have the choice of refusing marriage in such cases either due to family pressure or due to fear of further harassment and social stigma.
The penal code condones violence against women. Marital rape is not a crime in Syrian law, and women have no legal recourse should their husband assault them. Furthermore, a judge may legally reduce the sentence for a man convicted of a so-called "honor crime," – the murder or beating of or causing injury to his wife or female family member for alleged sexual misconduct."
"In 2003, the Syrian government ratified the UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW), with reservations applied to Articles 2, 9(2), 15(4), 16(1)(2), and 29(1). The government found these articles to be incompatible with national laws and the Shari'a. Syria's reservations predominantly concern a woman's right to pass her nationality to her children, freedom of movement and of residence and domicile, equal rights and responsibilities during the marriage and its dissolution, and the legal effect of the betrothal and the marriage of a child. Syria's reservations on Article 2 of the convention are most significant, as it is this article that establishes the purpose of the convention and commits the state to engage in efforts to eliminate discrimination against women. Syria has not yet ratified the Optional Protocol to CEDAW."
The Green Manalishi
(1,054 posts)and usually get hidden.
Once you can believe in an invisible man in the sky, burning or beheading is a small step. If the 'moral majority' thought they could get away with burning witches or stoning gays and youtubing it they'd do it in a heartbeat.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)Bashing Christians and religion in general is tolerated here most of the time. So not sure why you are upset. We are not allowed to criticize the beliefs of some Muslims lest we make them look bad? Well, if its ok to mock the beliefs of many Christians here, then why can I not mock the beliefs of some Muslims?
But have at it if you must.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)The OP's comment is obnoxious.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)I dare you.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You may not have noticed that Christianity is bashed very regularly around here so I doubt anyone would really notice. In fact, when posting a story like this one, DUers seem to also regularly have to bring Christianity into it somehow. But if you find a heinous crime that the perp claims he was committing in the name of Jesus, have at it.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)PS - It is more common than you think. It doesn't typically make national news either.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I don't usually hear that from the left. Certainly someone cutting off someones head or stoning a woman would at least make the local papers.
get the red out
(13,460 posts)Protected Status
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Hope this helps.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)They are just thugs and bullies. These are not men. They expose their lack of courage and doubts about their own manhood by attacking an unarmed woman. A pack of wild dogs behaves better.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)
PSPS
(13,577 posts)I wonder if they get a click-through credit. Usually, these show up on the ever-popular Snuff Channel on YouTube. After all, our pantless sadists must be entertained.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)I didn't watch it. Stating that they simply released a video without posting it would have sufficed. But then you would have people claiming the story was a lie since the video wasn't posted. Cant win I guess.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)If this act had been committed in the name of Jesus, would you still be sniping at the paper for bringing out the story? I suspect not.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)in fact it SHOULD do this. Whether it be something done in the name of Jesus,Allah or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
This crap goes on all the time in Sharia land, not just by ISIS. Its the snuff film posting part of it that I think we could have done without. It desensitizes one to violence.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'm pretty sure isis released the video on you tube so we all have the option of not clicking on the story and watching (I can't bring myself to watch stuff like this but then I don't see Quentin Tarrantino movies either). I know I'm in a minority around here in thinking Bill Maher was absolutely correct in saying that many liberals give Islam a pass they would never give to Christianity.
Elmergantry
(884 posts)get the red out
(13,460 posts)It is proven online every day.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,864 posts)They continue to be slaves in most parts of the world. A lot of married women here are virtual slaves. A woman's home continues to be the most dangerous place for most women. We have gotten rid of stoning and beheading but we still have a long way to go.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)particularly the Big 3 monotheisms, which were largely made up for the very purpose of controlling and oppressing women.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)imthevicar
(811 posts)But let anyone we don't like do it and their is a whole mess of Perl clutching goin on!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)claiming when Saudi Arabia does it, it's fine. Perhaps you have a link for that.
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)You have not made a comment so much as a ritual noise produced more by trained reflex than cognition.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Funny how that works, huh.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)
Warpy
(111,124 posts)think twice about running off to join to fight for the glory of Islam and the New Caliphate.
Any girls who don't have intact hymens will likely join that poor woman.
Chemisse
(30,802 posts)should watch it.
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,543 posts)What am I to learn from this?
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,543 posts)many,most, all of us on this website agree ISIS is a sort of headless/faceless monster wreaking havoc in an already decimated and demoralized country. Is this supposed to convince me that ISIS is evil or something? Plus even though we all shudder with revulsion (at least I do) of the idea of stoning another human being to death, I have to say there is a cultural factor at play. I don't know how that gets changed................
By the way, I appreciate the civil and polite tones of your postings. They often have the effect of calming down the atmosphere when posts are flying fast and furious. 
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)I agree with most of it, in fact.