Nurse in Newark to Be Allowed to Finish Ebola Quarantine at Home, Christie Says
Source: NY Times
A nurse who recently returned from West Africa and was quarantined for the past three days in a tent behind a New Jersey hospital despite having no symptoms associated with Ebola will be allowed to return home to serve out the rest of her mandatory quarantine.
Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, in a brief interview, said that he expected her to be transferred Monday morning after doctors and federal officials signed off on the plan.
The treatment of the nurse, Kaci Hickox, has drawn withering criticism from both public health officials and the nurse herself. Ms. Hickox lives in Fort Kent, Me.
Im hopeful that this morning if all goes well well be able to release her and send her back to Maine, Mr. Christie said.
Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/nyregion/nurse-in-newark-to-be-allowed-to-finish-ebola-quarantine-at-home-christie-says.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
mnhtnbb
(31,371 posts)LOL. I hope she reams Christie's butt in court.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Her lawsuit is going to be a thing of beauty
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)is going to be laughed out of court.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)(Christie deliberately lied about her condition). No other returning personnel were treated this way and NOW Christie reverses the policy?
Im guessing a fair few lawyers would disagree with you.
But we'll see.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and that's how I came to the conclusion I did.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)angle.
i will wait and see before believing two lawyers, who knows their position, word of mouth.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You wont find 6 or 12 people who will go after the state for trying to protect their citizens. That's how it's going to be presented and this woman's inconvenience is not going to sway them. It's her attitude that's the problem Her whining hysteria is turning off a lot of people who would normally have a lot of compassion for her (but will still not find that taxpayers owe her a dime).
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)clear.
personally, i think there are way more educated, reasonable people with common sense that will understand the fearmongering amongst the ignorant, and the ridiculous self anointed law christie and cuomo implemented with no thought, academic or scientific position.
in otherwords, get some educated on that jury and it will be an easy win.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You think a jury is going to find that they and all the other taxpayers should have to pay for Christie being an asshole. Not a chance. I sure wouldn't.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)About being held against his will on a gd unheated effing tent in a parking lot.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)a man of the same thing? But go ahead and call me a misogynist because given how those labels are thrown around here, they've ceased to have any meaning at all.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)It was about ginning up fear for political gain.
And it obviously worked even here at DU.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Any lawyer blowing those off would be pretty cavalier imo
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)are being infringed and the state is saying they're doing what they're doing out of an abundance of caution to protect their citizens. You really think you're going to find a jury that will stick their taxpayers with a bill for this nurse's inconvenience when we've already had two health professionals (3 if you count Snyderman) ignore that protocol? The lawyers I spoke to went right to what a jury or judge would think and not the status of her arguments.
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)also but whether she did or didn't isn't really what I'm talking about. The lawyers I talked to about this had zero to say about the merits of her case and were only talking about whether she could win it. They both said zero chance for the reasons I pointed out above. Is he wants to pay a bundle to a lawyer to lose, that's her choice.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,571 posts)And in many cases states carry insurance for tort liability.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)potential.
Christie stepped in it when he called her "obviously ill." He fucked up, and he will pay for it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)You're talking about whether a judge or jury would stick taxpayers with that bill (no state lawyer is going to let them get away with saying this money is coming out of Christie's pocket). The lawyers I spoke to said no chance.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)HIPPA violations by virtue of his office.
This is his pocket.
And the defense attorneys won't be able to mention where the payout will come from.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and let's not pretend otherwise. Not one dime will come out of the acting Governor's pocket as he did this as the governing official of New Jersey. And what law would prevent the attorney's from telling the truth?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)torts just because he is governor. Second of all, the jury is generally not allowed to consider where the source of payment of judgment is coming from because it is completely irrelevant to the facts. A jury instruction would be given.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)jury will be filled with people smart enough to understand ebola and dumb enough to not understand they'll be the ones paying any fine levied against Christie. Got it.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)be liable for any payments regarding a suit.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)That because 61% voted for an asshole the rest are 100% responsible for what's happened to this nurse.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,571 posts)as this article published by the American Bar Association explains:
http://www.americanbar.org/publications/law_practice_today_home/law_practice_today_archive/april11/protecting_civil_liberties_during_quarantine_and_isolation_in_public_health_emergencies.html
PADemD
(4,482 posts)was returning from working with Ebola patients in a country in West Africa. It would be logical, per CDC guidelines, to isolate and investigate possible Ebola infection.
A scanner temperature that is not confirmed by oral temperature should require the scanner to be sent out for recalibration. All scanners should be frequently recalibrated.
After the Texas fiasco, any other state would react the same way if presented with a medical professional who worked with Ebola patients and had a 101 fever.
Texas was reactive, and New York and New Jersey are being proactive.
rocktivity
(44,571 posts)when she said her skin flushes when she's under stress. Did they believe she was delirious from her fever or lying when she said that, or that medical professionals don't know anything?
And now that she's taught us that forehead scanner temperatures are NOT reliable, let's make it part of the airport protocol that all above-normal forehead scanner readings be confirmed by an oral one. (Of course, people so potentially contagious that they need to be quarantined shouldn't be allowed to get on planes in the first place, but that's beside the point.)
Can't we at least learn from this mistake?
rocktivity
adigal
(7,581 posts)Or maybe a little bowling?
If she does any of these things, or breaks her quarantine, she should be arrested for endangering the public.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)My guess is that here in Maine she'll be back on self-monitoring. Christie has no jurisdiction here last time I looked.
I don't think we're so paranoid up here. Of course, LePage is a bully too, so maybe Christie has already collaborated with him. Time will tell.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to be making demands of her?
thanks
adigal
(7,581 posts)You guys can share the wealth with her.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)does not have any symptoms that would put her to a point of contagious, that is sitting in a car, in a parking lot well away from the restaurant, .....
might INFECT the entire restaurant.
you understand why people have their mouth hanging open, that anyone would be running around with hair on fire.... and not using the restaurant.
the absurdities are just simply so beyond outrageous in simple logic, common sense and intelligence.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)The fear mongering, even here at DU, is fucking appalling.
adigal
(7,581 posts)is a medical worker look pretty naive now, huh??
blackspade
(10,056 posts)She is not symptomatic.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)and I'm happy to welcome her home.
If I knew her personally, I'd happily visit her.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)picked up food and walked out.
and this is what you claim, is reason?
adigal
(7,581 posts)Crickets
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and others use, .... having to laugh my fuckin ass off at the outrage of a doctor, that well knows the disease, is in a car, well away from the restaurant, and a person walks in, picks up soup and walks out.....
and dumbshits refuse to use that restaurant. and dumbshits, three weeks later or more still will not go into the restaurant.
because a woman that does not have ebola, totally cleared of ever having ebola, who did not even walk into the restaurant, was in the fuckin vicinity.
it just simply does not get more stupid than that.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)"Health officials in Maine have been notified of her arrangements and will make a determination under their own laws on her treatment when she arrives," the New Jersey statement said.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)patients.
Can't wait to see those "laws" go through the legislature...
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)to any lawsuits and recovery of money from businesses that have to be shut down for a day or more, any resources spent on law enforcement and public officials rounding up contacts, etc. Add up the cost, and bill these doctors and nurses. This excludes the poor folks from Dallas, who unlike this gal DID NOT SEEK to care for ebola patients and were just employees doing their best and didn't know better.
adigal
(7,581 posts)If they went out and about when they were supposed to be quarantining themselves.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the doctors self monitor. when symptoms appear the cal the appropriate org to address the issue.
that is what has happened with each and everyone.
that would suggest self MONITORING works.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)"Gal?" Really? Kaci Hickox is a nurse with graduate degrees in public health and epidemiology. She's not a "gal."
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Both of those are dangerous endeavors, I grant you, but not to the public.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)with the bill? Let's not pretend Christie would have to pay up.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... yeah that would be the unfortunate consequences of having a big-mouth mafioso-style Republican governor. They elected the guy, with the help of a bunch of DINOs.
I don't know why one couldn't sue him personally. You're not suing his employer, after all.
adigal
(7,581 posts)and maybe charged with endangering the public
... it ain't gonna' happen.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)What a couple of ignorant fools. How many other decisions of those two are just as poorly thought out while they juggle their political self interests. Their abuse of teachers is the same idiocy.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)in an isolation tent in a hospital.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what they did was illegal. morally, ethically, common sense and logically, wrong. little dweebs.
over the weekend, a nation and this nurse, yea her mouth and not taking this shit, took him down
thanks pres
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Too bad there is no one in the media that could do this.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it took us back to tsa and patriot act. experiences we had had in airports, before the naked machines and i said... no. done flying.
creating a false illusion because of peoples fears, and demanding we accept it as truth, cause of the ignorant.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Does the GOP have that many people working to troll this site or there just that many people who do not understand basic science?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'm saying the New Jersey taxpayers aren't going to sit on a jury and find themselves culpable and responsible to pay this woman a dime for their governor doing something out of an abundance of caution.
... out of an abundance of politics.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)No running water, no shower, dressed in paper scrubs when it gets below 50 degrees at night, etc isn't reason to sue? Convicted felons are treated better than she was. Do you see my point or are you totally heartless like Christie?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'm just saying (for the dozenth time) that it'll never get past a jury (if it doesn't get thrown out altogether). BTW the way you asked that last question was so fucking childish.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)To object to my asking if you are heartless. Pot, meet kettle.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I truly couldn't possibly care less. Just pointing out the obvious.
AndreaCG
(2,331 posts)You seem to be someone who believes in double standards. It's only rude when someone else does it.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Should be quarantined.
That's so typical, attack the person because they disagree with you.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that is your position, correct?
Kali
(55,002 posts)I am shocked at the irrational fear, ignorance of geography and basic biology, and utter lack of logic that I see over this subject.
BumRushDaShow
(128,360 posts)How about doing the same for every person who is treating patients or even has been to Russia or Eastern Europe due to those areas having the fastest growing incidences of HIV AIDS. It took 22 years for a President to lift the travel ban on those infected as it is.
See how that works?
BumRushDaShow
(128,360 posts)Touche!
But the difference here is that a state unilaterally made policy as a result of someone's "interstate/international" travel, that is supposed to be handled under the jurisdiction of (and in consultation with) the federal government, since she "crossed a border" to get to NJ from overseas. It's similar to states like AZ that keep trying to create their own immigration laws and policies while ignoring federal authority over the matter, and they eventually get smacked down in court!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)out of fear, than the technical. but, you are correct. thanks.
BumRushDaShow
(128,360 posts)I just added to them!
Christie is the new Jan Brewer!
This image is telling...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)marble falls
(56,974 posts)mountain grammy
(26,595 posts)and Chris Christie is not good enough to shine her shoes as he is miserable excuse for a human being.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Sums it up very well. Thanks!
riversedge
(70,040 posts)his (Gov Christies) vile ideology!!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)getting out of my head. But I agree with you and others in this sub-thread 1000%. Christie's unctuous demagoguery makes me want to
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Definitely applies to a bunch of right wingers. John Kasich should have his picture in the dictionary for unctuous. Great post!
riversedge
(70,040 posts)rocktivity
(44,571 posts)Last edited Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:29 PM - Edit history (1)
she shouldn't have been issued a plane ticket in the first place. At the very least, make all travelers from or through Ebola-affected countries wait for 21 days.
It was perfectly safe for her to get on a commercial flight -- you're in no danger of infecting anyone if you aren't showing symptoms, right? But the minute you cross a border, you're such a potential threat you're whisked into solitary confinement? Is the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey hurting for airline ticket income THAT much?
rocktivity
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)In the middle of all this I want to give a shout out to Johns Hopkins. I have met some of these students in hard places in the world doing as she did -- giving up 'off' time to volunteer in places many of us do not want to go. Clearly the school encourages the students to do this extra work and to gain extra experience as part of their program. The students in this masters program are terrific people -- and smart. They are part of my hope. On top of everything else, she is probably missing school. Hope Johns Hopkins will work with her on that.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)need to pay for it since they gave him 61% of the vote.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the man does not get to do what ever the fuck he wants.
he fuckin lied saying she had a fever. saying she was getting worse. saying not ebola but something so we have to keep her.
lied.
pisses me off.
he does not get to do that.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Joseph Welch managed to sink the good ship S.S. Joe McCarthy. But not before McCarthy had impugned the reputation(s) of the giant General George C. Marshall and his staff.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)for the hair on fire crowd.
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)Something you know how to do. Medical practice ain't it.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Christie is such a grandstanding fascist.
Darb
(2,807 posts)What a condescending prick.