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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:44 PM Oct 2014

Army troops isolated after Africa duty tour

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon says dozens of Army soldiers and their two-star general are being isolated at their base in Vicenza, Italy, as they return after serving in West Africa to help with the Ebola fight.

Maj. Gen. Darryl A. Williams, the commander who led the U.S. response in Liberia, returned to Italy with 11 staff. They will be restricted in an isolated location and will not be allowed to go to their homes for 21 days. Several dozen more are returning in the coming days and will also be isolated.

Army Col. Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, says Army leaders made the decision. So far, it only affects soldiers. He says no exposure incident triggered the decision, but they will be checked regularly for any Ebola symptoms.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/19e38a78ac4e4293b2f36d305aee6bda/army-troops-isolated-after-africa-duty-tour

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Army troops isolated after Africa duty tour (Original Post) Bosonic Oct 2014 OP
smart move heaven05 Oct 2014 #1
I agree... FarPoint Oct 2014 #4
Will be interesting to see if Navy/Marines/Air Force follow suit. TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #2
Will these men & women whine about their TM99 Oct 2014 #3
she was forced to live in a tent!!!! heaven05 Oct 2014 #5
Wrong. TM99 Oct 2014 #9
Like the Army! n/t jtuck004 Oct 2014 #13
I bet they have running water, showers and flush toilets and heated dwellings. greatlaurel Oct 2014 #6
Wrong. TM99 Oct 2014 #10
It is the know it alls heaven05 Oct 2014 #14
Oh, the irony. TM99 Oct 2014 #15
but, but heaven05 Oct 2014 #16
Is everything is a partisan political issue to you? candelista Oct 2014 #25
everything heaven05 Oct 2014 #29
I'm sorry you see things that way. candelista Oct 2014 #30
I do realize we all like to pretend we have all relevant knowledge at one time or another LanternWaste Oct 2014 #46
So you jump into a sub-thread TM99 Oct 2014 #49
No YOU ARE WRONG. alarimer Oct 2014 #52
Will you submit to living under indefinite martial law until the ebola virus is eradicated? bluedigger Oct 2014 #7
Hyperbole much? TM99 Oct 2014 #11
+1 candelista Oct 2014 #26
Not too much, no. bluedigger Oct 2014 #34
Not at all. TM99 Oct 2014 #37
The nurse knows the protocols and her rights were trampled. She was denied gsdmom Oct 2014 #8
Bullshit. TM99 Oct 2014 #12
Baloney. It was Christie grandstanding and Cuomo being a coward. Darb Oct 2014 #18
They enlisted in the Armed Forces of the US, Darb Oct 2014 #17
Irrelevant. TM99 Oct 2014 #19
Wrong again. Darb Oct 2014 #20
So much talk, so little understanding. TM99 Oct 2014 #21
There is no medical backing for what your man Chrispy did, so......... Darb Oct 2014 #23
You just can't stop with the bullshit can you? TM99 Oct 2014 #28
You agree with Chrispy, so yeah, your man Chrispy, own it. Darb Oct 2014 #41
Yes, all there is is bullshit. TM99 Oct 2014 #44
crhristie is a political hack heaven05 Oct 2014 #31
Whatever happened to civilian control of the military? Of course the strings are being pulled from 24601 Oct 2014 #22
It doesn't matter if she tests positive for ebola tomorrow, or in a week, Darb Oct 2014 #24
You spend any time in uniform? I've 25 years under six administrations and continue to serve as a 24601 Oct 2014 #32
Did I detect a winger talking point in your screed? Darb Oct 2014 #42
You are so far off the mark. There are those throughput society who believe that loyalty is shown 24601 Oct 2014 #50
So you want to wait until people are contagious before quarantining them? candelista Oct 2014 #33
If and when Obama implements a quarantine.... candelista Oct 2014 #27
What kind of quarantine are you guys talking about? Can you describe it please? Darb Oct 2014 #43
What the army is doing. candelista Oct 2014 #48
Anytime someone starts with "I am no fan" dilby Oct 2014 #38
Bullshit. TM99 Oct 2014 #39
thou heaven05 Oct 2014 #40
I bet your suspicions are wrong. TM99 Oct 2014 #45
sounds personal, really heaven05 Oct 2014 #47
I think they probably have running water and showers. alarimer Oct 2014 #51
The Military Times take on this nitpicker Oct 2014 #35
Looks like restriction to barracks nitpicker Oct 2014 #36

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
2. Will be interesting to see if Navy/Marines/Air Force follow suit.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 12:51 PM
Oct 2014

I guess Hagel is so far leaving it up to the services to decide on the necessity and logistics of quarantine, since they're all doing different tasks over there with different levels of potential exposure--or he and the JCS may decide to play it safe and order it for all.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
3. Will these men & women whine about their
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 01:53 PM
Oct 2014

rights being 'trampled on'? Will they sue the US government and military for this very logical move?

I am no fan of Cuomo or Christie, but obviously they did not take the actions they did for strictly political reasons. If it is good enough for the Pentagon, I am pretty sure it is good enough for an arrogant nurse.

Looks like her case will be dismissed quite easily.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
5. she was forced to live in a tent!!!!
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 01:59 PM
Oct 2014

you are wrong. period. I hope she can retire from her episode with the pandering stupidity of these elected officials.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
6. I bet they have running water, showers and flush toilets and heated dwellings.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:08 PM
Oct 2014

Good to see you trying to hide your tracks, but we got you. Pretty transparent and ineffective Christie and Cuomo propaganda.

Kaci Hickox was not whining, she was stating facts about the appalling and poorly constructed conditions she was forced into for no reason other than political grandstanding by Christie. By not allowing her running water to wash her hands, proper toilet and shower facilities, she stood a good chance to get sick from something other than Ebola.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
10. Wrong.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 03:32 PM
Oct 2014

She was in an isolation tent that was within the hospital. It was approved by CDC. She had amenities including internet access and take-out when she requested it.

For fuck's sake, just because someone disagrees with the current poutrage, it does not mean they are propaganda puppets for the governor's in question.

I heard her interview. Yes, she is whining. She is arrogant. Her temperature may have been inaccurate at the airport, but until it was determined that it was and that she was currently (still within the incubation period, so that may or may not change) virus free, proper precautions were taken. Now she is being released to do self-monitoring in her home state. This was a very reasonable set of actions. Christie is a buffoon and should have kept his mouth shut, but it doesn't change the facts of the situation.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
14. It is the know it alls
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:23 PM
Oct 2014

that accuse everyone else under the stars of whining, being arrogant, and the sad part is the know it all never knows anything at all.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
15. Oh, the irony.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:41 PM
Oct 2014

I never claimed to know it all. I simply know the facts of the case at hand. Read all that was reported not just that painting this woman as some helpless victim of an authoritarian political machine, and then get back to me.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
16. but, but
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:50 PM
Oct 2014

republicans run an authoritarian, racist, misogynistic political machine and christie is one of the leaders. I'm sorry but it seems that Ms. Hickox was a little bit too uppity for you. Back atcha.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
25. Is everything is a partisan political issue to you?
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:20 PM
Oct 2014

And if Obama changes his mind about quarantining people from Ebola zones, will you change your mind too?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
29. everything
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:34 PM
Oct 2014

always. I didn't create the mess that is called american democracy but I'll damn sure play it. Everything is partisan, racial, cultural and religious in this country......I didn't make it this way, certain other people did. I just play the hand dealt me. If Obama changes his mind, you'll find out. Afraid those africans are going to infect us, huh? Drip, drip, drip.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. I do realize we all like to pretend we have all relevant knowledge at one time or another
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 04:46 PM
Oct 2014

" I simply know the facts of the case at hand..."

Allegedly. However, I do realize we all like to pretend we have all relevant knowledge at one time or another--- it's just that most of us grow out of it by the time we hit fourth or fifth grade.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
49. So you jump into a sub-thread
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 05:26 PM
Oct 2014

only to insult?

What a peach you are.

Yes, the facts were simply the facts. I did not jump to erroneous, fallacious, and hyperbolic conclusions from them.

A woman inconvenienced by a several day quarantine is NOT the same thing as the Japanese interment camps.

A quarantine tent inside the hospital with full climate control is NOT the same thing as the 'rumor' she was in a tent in the parking lot without heat.

Do I really need to continue?

Relevant knowledge comes from accurate facts and conclusions are drawn as the details and situation evolves. I have not seen a lot of that in the thinking process of those posting on this particular topic as of late. Why don't you go educate them? Thanks.

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
7. Will you submit to living under indefinite martial law until the ebola virus is eradicated?
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:24 PM
Oct 2014

That seems to be what you are advocating for the civilian population.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
11. Hyperbole much?
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 03:33 PM
Oct 2014

This was hardly martial law. Precautions were taken given the situation as it was known and unfolding. Now that new information is available she is being released to return to her home state to complete the rest of the CDC approved self-monitoring.

bluedigger

(17,077 posts)
34. Not too much, no.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 02:23 AM
Oct 2014

You are making the argument that the military response is a proper response for all. That the military lives under a separate code of laws under the Constitution seems to be a minor point to you. I am prepared to concede that martial law might be appropriate should an actual crisis develop, but that point is a long ways down the road. Either we live under the rule of law or we live under the rule of tyranny, however noble the cause. Laws exist to deal with disease, and governors should abide by them for now. Here's a link to Maine's statutes on such for an example: http://www.mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/22/title22ch250sec0.html

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
37. Not at all.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 05:43 AM
Oct 2014

I am making the argument that individuals who work in dangerous situations which could impact others should be required to act differently than the general populace.

This nurse is assuming that she is somehow different and special by virtue of her knowledge and experience, and it simply is not true.

Laws do exist, and if you read the link I already provided in another response in this thread, you will see that public health concerns still trump personal rights. These governors were not breaking any laws. Additionally, you obviously did not read any of those statutes that you provided here in a link because they address in a similar way the situation as it was unfolding.

A woman from a known 'hot zone' was registering a higher than normal temperature. She was treated with accordingly until it could be ascertained that the temperature was not correct and that she, at this time, was virus free. That took a few days in which she was placed in as comfortable of a make-shift isolation dwelling as could be made for this unforeseen situation.

You want to avoid issues like this again? Then let's implement some broad and general protocols. For example, let's have hospitals qualified in each state to be centers capable of dealing with a bio-hazard of this degree. If Obama can find money for bombing runs in Iraq, I am certain that he can find it for emergent funding of better isolation and treatment facilities within centers in each state.

Until things like this are actually accomplished, we will continue to have near misses. Nurses flying across the country while the viral load is building in their system. Doctors going bowling while the viral load is building in their systems. This woman whining that she didn't have a TV. In this day and age, I am quite certain that the internet access and Netflix account on her iPhone certainly could suffice for 3 days while medical professionals determined if she was or was not sick.

And yes, she could learn a thing or two from the soldiers undergoing their sequestering.

gsdmom

(2 posts)
8. The nurse knows the protocols and her rights were trampled. She was denied
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 02:43 PM
Oct 2014

The RN who's been quarantined in NJ just came back from treating Ebola patients. She is aware of the protocols on how to care for these poor people sick with this virus and used those protocols when she was in West Africa. She knows that she doesn't have Ebola or at least is not possibly contagious yet. Her blood test was negative and she has no symptoms. She was imprisoned wrongfully and in ridiculous conditions. I'm glad that she gets to go home.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
12. Bullshit.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 03:41 PM
Oct 2014

Other medical professionals who know the protocols have become infected and have been successfully treated here in the states. She is no more nor no less knowledgeable than they were.

The temperature recorded at the airport was inaccurate, we now know. But until it was proven such and blood tests confirmed she was at this point virus free, then yes, appropriate measures were taken given the failures in Texas and elsewhere. Now she is free to resume the remainder of those learned protocols - 21 days (or thereabouts) of self-monitoring in her home in Maine.

Rather funny isn't it that a nurse in Texas untrained in treating Ebola had the sense and decency to truly self-monitor and isolate until she knew whether she was going to be sickened or not.

Users here are trying to make these cases about protocols, civil rights, politics, etc. when in actuality it is about human beings, some of whom are decent individuals with awareness, maturity, and empathy, and others are arrogant narcissistic asses. Out of high profile cases thus far, we have one decent adult and four arrogant asses who think they are above rules and constraints. If this disease were to become more contagious and more wide-spread, the actions of this many would have dire consequences.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
18. Baloney. It was Christie grandstanding and Cuomo being a coward.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:55 PM
Oct 2014

Obama is the only politician with the courage to stand up to the herd heading for the cliff.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
17. They enlisted in the Armed Forces of the US,
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:52 PM
Oct 2014

the nurse didn't. They do what they are ordered to do or face severe consequences.

Apples and oranges. But you knew that....right? Right?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
19. Irrelevant.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:02 PM
Oct 2014

The situation is the same with the same potentially negative consequences. She deserved no special treatment. A few days worth of cellphone interviews with the media, take-out, and testing to confirm that currently she is not infected is hardly an abuse of her fucking civil rights in a public health situation.

But you knew that...right?

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
20. Wrong again.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:08 PM
Oct 2014

The Army chose this protocol on their own. That's their business. Christie, who you seem to be in bed with (gross), is pandering to the lowest common denominator and trying to conspire to put Obama on an island for political purposes.

Quit pretending that Ebola is something that it is not. You are adding to the stupid.

It was without doubt, an abuse of her civil rights. The reason being because she was not contagious. Pretend all you want that ebola is something that it is not.

You are with Christie and Fox and Paul and Cruz. Enough said.

You know that right?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
21. So much talk, so little understanding.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:44 PM
Oct 2014

"When it comes to infectious diseases, the collective jurisprudential message is as clear today as it was in centuries past: Public health concerns can warrant the state's intrusion on personal freedoms."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/27/opinion/cevallos-ebola-quarantine/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

This isn't about childish guilt by association team sport politics, but you know that right?

This is about how we deal with a new disease in this country that we have not had to deal with before.

All of this immaturity and selfishness.

West Nile was unheard of a decade or more ago in America. Now places hard hit spray against mosquitoes every year. I have very bad asthma. I get a great deal of inflammation and flare up when and where I have been when spraying occurs. And it isn't just about me. Get it? I suffer a little, sure, and others don't get sicker. I learn to manage my asthma during those times as an adult who has learned to think about the I and the thou.

This woman is not a victim of some grand political conspiracy to make fucking Obama look bad.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
23. There is no medical backing for what your man Chrispy did, so.........
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:00 PM
Oct 2014

it was not legal. Deal with it. Ignorant panic does not make for good governance, nor is it a basis for taking the liberty away from that nurse.

If there was any medical backing for such an action, then I would agree that Crispy Cream was within his powers. However, there is no medical or scientific backing for his knee-jerk move.

You appear to be trying to foment panic via a subtle but obvious support of non-scientific actions by the most repulsive Republican I can think of at this instant (could change next instant). Stop doing it, you are not helping.

Immaturity and selfishness? Wall....mirror.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
28. You just can't stop with the bullshit can you?
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:26 PM
Oct 2014

My man Chrispy? What are you? Twelve?

Did you read the link? If you had then you would see that yes, legalities are being taken into consideration in an ever evolving situation.

Your hyperbole and continued snark aside, I am not panicking in the least, nor should anyone for that matter be so. But it is prudent to act with caution and awareness. I think our current response to this disease from Republicans to Democrats from CDC directors to triage nurses from news outlets to Facebook has shown the world just how poor the American health system really is. We are arrogant, self-entitled whiners bitching about our lack of amenities and lack of first world fun while Africans are dying in poverty conditions from this disease.

We have a ways to go until something resembling a moderate, measured, and mature response is fully put into place here in the US.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
41. You agree with Chrispy, so yeah, your man Chrispy, own it.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 12:42 PM
Oct 2014

You are siding with the idiots who are in a panic. Chrispy re-acted and did exactly the wrong thing. You agree with him. You are helping with the panic.

There is no other way to say it, if you are in authority and act as if a disease behaves in a manner in which it scientifically does not behave, then you are acting irresponsibly. Chrispy, who you agree with, is a political hatchet man for the crazies in the Repugnant Party. He went out front to pull that quarantine shit and Cuomo was a fool to go along. Notice Cuomo came to his senses first.

I want to remind you, one person, ONE person, has ebola in the US and he got it from Africa.

Yell "Fire" now.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
44. Yes, all there is is bullshit.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 03:01 PM
Oct 2014

You can not think beyond silly immature partisan politics. You haven't read a thing I wrote, I get that now. You can't. It doesn't fit with your bias and your thought process. Anything that goes against its limited binary modality is rejected and replaced with made up conclusions.

Caution, prudence, planning, responsibility, etc. are filtered and come out as 'Repugnat', 'Chrispy', and 'panic'.

I am truly sorry that I wasted any time trying to converse with someone with such an inferior grasp of the English language that a discussion devolves into high school team politics, name calling, and slogans from Facebook.

Bye now.

24601

(3,940 posts)
22. Whatever happened to civilian control of the military? Of course the strings are being pulled from
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:44 PM
Oct 2014

the basement of the White House.

I'm trying to figure out which message is actually more damaging - that the Army is out there making it's own policy implying inaction by the Commander in Chief - or that nurse Kaci Hickox is critical that politicians are making public policy instead of doctors and nurses. Does she know that the President's Ebola Czar is a hand-picked lawyer? With friends like her, who needs detractors?

Hope she remains negative for Ebola - should she develop symptoms, it will be embarrassing at best. Dr. Craig Spencer believed that he was fine, right up to the point that he wasn't.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
24. It doesn't matter if she tests positive for ebola tomorrow, or in a week,
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:04 PM
Oct 2014

the science of the matter says she is not contagious. Get it? This is about spreading the disease, not political pandering.

You folks siding with Crispy are siding with panic. Why?

If you have some connections that can confirm that the White House told this General to stay on base and not go home, then provide it.

And stop pretending that the military is the same as the citizenry, they are citizens, but they signed on the line. They can be treated differently.

24601

(3,940 posts)
32. You spend any time in uniform? I've 25 years under six administrations and continue to serve as a
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:40 PM
Oct 2014

civil servant accumulated 42 years and counting. Been there, done that and got plenty of t-shirts.

What narrative are you going to push, that the Commander in Chief isn't engaged and has delegated it all to somebody else?

If Kaci Hickox wants to make policy, she should run for office since that's why we have elections.


"the science of the matter says she is not contagious." And the science of the matter used to say the earth was the center of the universe. More recently, the science of the matter said we were headed rapidly into another ice age.

Thank you for your interest in infallible science, except when it isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling#1971_to_1975:_papers_on_warming_and_cooling_factors

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
42. Did I detect a winger talking point in your screed?
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 01:02 PM
Oct 2014

Yeah, I think I did, of the denialist variety. No, science didn't say it, some scientists did, but I would say that what you are comparing here is a huge apple and a tiny orange. Are you saying that Ebola is airborne? Why don't you just come out and say it. Yell it why don't you. Instead of implying it over and over on a discussion board, why don't you just go out on the street corner and yell it out.

You served in the military did ya, good for you. None of that has anything to do with what the General decided to do when they got back to Italy. If you say Obama ordered that, then fine, say it all you want. I say that decision was made by that General and not by the Commander in Chief. But what you really want to do is bash the admin about a double standard or some such shit.

I am going to say it again, plain and simple, if you are in a position of authority and proclaim that a disease is more contagious than it is, then you are acting irresponsibly. There is ONE person in the US known to have ebola. That's right O-N-E. Even that family that lived with the first ebola infected man from Liberia in Dallas has managed to stay ebola free. They lived in a small apartment with him for days before, during, and after he was sick, really sick. If things were as you Christyites profess, they would all be dead and gone by now.

The President is playing it correctly. Christy is an asshat that should be jailed for his stupidity and the harm it will do to the real effort being conducted by mostly volunteers in Africa. Anything that slows the process of containing ebola in West Africa is criminal.

I bet you are not going to cocktail parties either.

24601

(3,940 posts)
50. You are so far off the mark. There are those throughput society who believe that loyalty is shown
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 12:08 AM
Oct 2014

via blind obedience coupled with a dose of contrived flattery. The opposite position, the one to which I subscribe, is that you serve best when you tell truth to power, even when the truth is uncomfortable to send or receive.

The President announces that quarantine decisions should be made based on the medical science.

Within a day or two, Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagle bypasses uniformed officers and implements the quarantine throughout the department.

I do not believe that Secretary Hagel is ignorent or chose to undercut the President one week before the mid-term elections.

Instead, I believe Secretary Hagel is implementing the President's policies appropriately and that you'll see a public update addressing the state of the science around November 5th.

Or if you have a conspiracy theory about the DoD quarantine, feel free to share.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
43. What kind of quarantine are you guys talking about? Can you describe it please?
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 01:07 PM
Oct 2014

The actual logistics of it?

My point is that the nurse was held, and the manner in which she was held, because Chrispy was grandstanding. Not for actual scientific reasons or in a decent, responsible way.

I believe that if someone is clammering for a quarantine, then they are needlessly adding to the panic. This disease can be contained by responsible people with the necessary funding and workforce. And I say it will be.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
48. What the army is doing.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 05:24 PM
Oct 2014

But what do you care? You are against any quarantine of any kind, right? That's what you say in your post. "...if someone is clammering (sic), they are needlessly adding to the panic."

Why not answer my question? What if Obama changes his mind and decides to impose a quarantine? Then you will support it, right? Out of loyalty. Right?

dilby

(2,273 posts)
38. Anytime someone starts with "I am no fan"
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 06:35 AM
Oct 2014

They probably are. And after reading your shit, it only confirms it.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
39. Bullshit.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 09:54 AM
Oct 2014

I am no fan of Obama either. So does that mean in your twisted pseudo-logic, that I actually am a fan of Obama.

The mind boggles at your skills, truly.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
40. thou
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 11:49 AM
Oct 2014

protesteth deflectivly......but you had to prove your creds by dumping on the POTUS also. Don't you know how that confirms all suspicions of your political affiliations????? geez

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
45. I bet your suspicions are wrong.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 03:07 PM
Oct 2014

Why?

Because I am simply an Independent. I see good and bad in both parties. Sometimes I have even been known to vote for a Green or Libertarian if they are the best candidate for the job at a local, state, or national level.

I didn't vote for Obama in 2008, but I also did not vote for McCain either. In 2012, I gave Obama a chance. I do not like the results - increased drone strikes, bombing more nations than Bush, NSA spying programs expanded, punishing whistle-blowers, beholden to Wall Street for economic and educational policies, and finally implementing a medical insurance plan originally put forth by Gingrich and the Heritage Foundation that is so far away from a public option that it is outlandish to believe it could ever be the first steps towards one.

Sorry to hurt your feelings, but not everyone who posts here is a registered Democratic party member, nor are they Republican 'spies' incognito either.

But please carry on with the team politics and mind reading. You are stellar at both.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
47. sounds personal, really
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 04:57 PM
Oct 2014

not thought out political analysis. You are not part of the solution. You could never cause me any type of distress. You just keep letting everyone one know what a person who wastes their vote is all about. You champion at being self revealing. You gave Obama a chance. Right. Ahh he's such a bad POTUS, yet Independents and Libertarians and rest of that ilk are not changing anything in the system. Just muddying things up for you own narcissistic political pleasure. Waste. I've been to Libertarian meetings, not my cup of tea, to many racist tea drinkers, of course they weren't known as that in my visit to Libertarian heaven. And haven't changed much since. An Independent is fine. Yet on a national level, it's a wasted vote.

There are republican spies and others on this site and elsewhere. Just because you say you are not does not make it so, although I have to take you at your word. I'll be voting my conscience on the 4th, what will you be doing?

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
51. I think they probably have running water and showers.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:28 AM
Oct 2014

And other creature comforts. As opposed to being caged, alone, like an animal or criminal.

FWIW, I think what the military is doing is stupid as well. But soldiers lose their civil rights when they sign up.

That nurse did not. People have been volunteering there for six months without it being an issue.

nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
35. The Military Times take on this
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 03:57 AM
Oct 2014
http://www.navytimes.com/article/20141027/NEWS/310270042/Army-isolating-some-soldiers-returning-from-Africa

Army isolating some soldiers returning from Africa
Oct. 27, 2014 - 09:18PM |
By Andrew Tilghman
Staff writer

The Army has begun isolating soldiers returning from the Ebola outbreak zone in West Africa, but so far the Pentagon has not imposed a new forcewide policy to quarantine all troops who participate in that mission.

About a dozen soldiers — including a two-star general — were sequestered Monday morning in a quarantine-like setting after leaving Liberia and arriving at the U.S. Army base in Vincenza, Italy. The special isolation will last for 21 days to ensure they are not infected with the Ebola virus.
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Among the soldiers placed into isolation in Italy is Maj. Gen. Darryl Williams, commander of U.S. Army Africa. A total of about 75 soldiers are due to arrive in Italy from Africa later this week and all of them will be placed in similar isolation.

The soldiers are restricted to a military facility at Caserma Del Din, where they will be monitored by health care officials and will have meals delivered to them. They will have access to TV, a gym and online communications and other morale, welfare and recreation services, according to one Army official.
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White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Monday that the decision to quarantine these service members was made at the command level and was not a change to Defense Department policy.

He said if the Pentagon changes its policy, which calls for monitoring returning troops twice a day for symptoms but not isolating them, Secretary Chuck Hagel would make that announcement.
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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
36. Looks like restriction to barracks
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 04:07 AM
Oct 2014

At least the barracks may be modern:

http://www.usag.vicenza.army.mil/sites/local/about_vicenza_military_community.asp

Caserma Del Din

Caserma Renato Del Din, an Italian Army Base, is an operational installation and houses a majority of single Soldiers in barracks in the VMC. Del Din is home to Headquarters of the 173rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team (Airborne) and three of it's battalions, the 509th Signal Battalion, and HHB, USARAF. Del Din will be the future headquarters location for USARAF. Del Din is one of the Army's newest installations and built to the latest standards established by the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design.

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