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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:12 PM Oct 2014

Feds identify suspected 'second leaker' for Snowden reporters

Source: Yahoo

The FBI has identified an employee of a federal contracting firm suspected of being the so-called "second leaker" who turned over sensitive documents about the U.S. government's terrorist watch list to a journalist closely associated with ex-NSA contractor Edward Snowden, according to law enforcement and intelligence sources who have been briefed on the case.

The FBI recently executed a search of the suspect's home, and federal prosecutors in Northern Virginia have opened up a criminal investigation into the matter, the sources said.

But the case has also generated concerns among some within the U.S. intelligence community that top Justice Department officials — stung by criticism that they have been overzealous in pursuing leak cases — may now be more reluctant to bring criminal charges involving unauthorized disclosures to the news media, the sources said. One source, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter, said there was concern "there is no longer an appetite at Justice for these cases."

Marc Raimondi, a spokesman for the Justice Department, declined to comment on the investigation into the watch-list leak, citing department rules involving pending cases.


Read more: https://news.yahoo.com/feds-identify-suspected--second-leaker--for-snowden-reporters-165741571.html



Well that didn't take long...What was the point of Snow-Wald blabbing to the world about a second leaker when they knew they were putting a big fat target on his back??

Or was outing the second person just a pump-fake as part of a larger ploy?
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Feds identify suspected 'second leaker' for Snowden reporters (Original Post) Blue_Tires Oct 2014 OP
The second leaker was known before Snow-Wald blabbed Cicada Oct 2014 #1
I also had a suspicion from the start that Snowden wasn't working alone Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #3
And you know him well, no doubt. truebluegreen Oct 2014 #10
Just calling it like I see it... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #23
Absolutely he didn't work alone... SoapBox Oct 2014 #18
Some interesting video for those who think that Snowden, Greenwald and other leakers did the wrong JDPriestly Oct 2014 #14
My ancestors fought for freedom from England. It sickens me that we now cooperate with them Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #16
I'm with you. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #17
Awesome rant. I wish I could rant like that. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #20
"no longer an appetite at Justice for these cases" MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #2
maybe Snowden made them blink grasswire Oct 2014 #5
umm, maybe. but this might be some sort of smoke and mirrors at play. 2banon Oct 2014 #9
Nobody wants to trash a good political career for the NSA. bemildred Oct 2014 #22
federal prosecutors in Northern Virginia - "rocket docket" grasswire Oct 2014 #4
Remembering the Anthrax witch hunt, I'll reserve judgment on this one. Downwinder Oct 2014 #6
""no longer an appetite at Justice for these cases." " Well, HEY NOW, there's always the BANKSTERS!! jtuck004 Oct 2014 #7
"there is no longer an appetite at Justice for these cases." GreydeeThos Oct 2014 #8
is he/she going ,,,, Cryptoad Oct 2014 #11
It's long been obvious that Snowden isn't the only insider that objects to these illegal activities. PSPS Oct 2014 #12
Agree completely. Amazing, the number of individuals truth2power Oct 2014 #13
Isn't it about 24 acres? candelista Oct 2014 #15
That's the one they have in Maryland (28 acres.) PSPS Oct 2014 #19
No, I checked. candelista Oct 2014 #24
If everything is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism whereisjustice Oct 2014 #21

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
1. The second leaker was known before Snow-Wald blabbed
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:22 PM
Oct 2014

Some of the leaks refer to events after Snowden left for Hong-kong so Big Brother knew there was a second leaker independent of Snow-Wald.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
3. I also had a suspicion from the start that Snowden wasn't working alone
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:27 PM
Oct 2014

He just doesn't strike me as the type who could single-handedly pull off what he did...

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
18. Absolutely he didn't work alone...
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 08:12 PM
Oct 2014

I felt that from the very beginning.

Wonder how Comrade Eddie is enjoying Putin's lap these days? Snuggle up Eddie...winter's a come'n!

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. Some interesting video for those who think that Snowden, Greenwald and other leakers did the wrong
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:22 PM
Oct 2014

thing.

Snowden and Greenwald are protecting the Constitution as did Binney.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/watch-short-convinced-edward-snowden-740255

Here is the Democracy Now interview of Laura Poitras who made Citizen Four about Snowden's coming forward in defense of the Constitution and the rule of law.

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/10/23/citizenfour_inside_story_of_nsa_leaker

The Laura Poitras film, CitizenFour had the highest gross for a documentary on its first showing night in our history thus far. (Sorry for the awkward sentence. Don't know quite how to say it well but clearly.)

Better read Greenwald's book because opinions of Americans are about to change with regard to Snowden and the surveillance programs.

The view that Snowden was the traitor and the the NSA was doing the right thing will change. Mark my words.

The evidence and the law are quite clear on this matter.

The pundits who spout the NSA propaganda are embarrassing themselves. I hate to see DUers joining them. The NSA supporters will come out looking like fools.

People just do not read or understand the Constitution. It's a crying shame. People bled and died for the right of privacy, for the right of freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, a fair trial, the right to confront one's accuser, the requirement of a warrant based upon probable cause and describing the persons to be seized and the things and places to be searched. Those rights are among the most precious we have.

Watch the Binney video.. He wrote one of the programs. He knows what the government is doing. It is doing surveillance on you me and every- and anyone it wishes.

Frogs in water gradually heating. That's what so many DUers are. I'm 71. My children are not political. The government's criminal activities will not affect me that much. But it will affect many DUers.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
16. My ancestors fought for freedom from England. It sickens me that we now cooperate with them
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:40 PM
Oct 2014

on attacking those rights my ancestors fought for.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. I'm with you.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:55 PM
Oct 2014

I guess some of us old-timers still feel like the British are not entirely to be trusted.

I lived there for a year to two years, but I do not think the US should be so cozy with them. When I was there, and I will grant you it was years ago, the class system was going strong and repressing and depressing many good people.

And here we are. They can collect personal data without limitation. There law does not prohibit it. So we get information about our citizens from them? That seems to be the suggestion.

I still think we do not know the half of the horror of the NSA and CIA domestic surveillance.

Recently a news announcer on Pacifica mentioned that so many of the people involve din the Occupy movement got felonies on their records. If that is not persecution based on the exercise of protected rights I do not know what is.

So the Occupiers camped out on public property and some may have jay-walked and obstructed traffic.

What do they think the crowds that came to see the Lincoln/Douglas debates in the 19th century did? Do they think they all paid to stay in hotels?

The fourth of the seven Lincoln-Douglas debates took place on Sept. 18, 1858, at the Coles County Fairgrounds in Charleston. We won't get into debate play-by-play in this narrative, but briefly: Republican Lincoln and Democrat Stephen A. Douglas, seeking election to the U.S. Senate from Illinois, held a series of debates around the state. Crowds, for the time, were huge.

. . . .

A crowd of 12,000 watched and listened in Charleston. It was Lincoln's worst performance--see David Herbert Donald's brilliant biography, "Lincoln"--but none of that is on the marker in Charleston. I

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2000-08-20/news/chi-0711spring-land_lincoln_1_funeral-train-abe-lincoln-lincoln-heritage-trail/2

Here are the demographics for Charleston today:

Population:
2000 21,039
1990 20,398
1980 19,355
1970 16,421

Number of Households:
7,672

http://www.charlestonillinois.org/index.asp?SEC=6F208E00-3AEB-4137-BD15-8B1068A18427&Type=B_BASIC

No way 12,000 people spent the night in inns and hotels in 1858 when they came to see the Lincoln-Douglas debate. They most likely slept in wagons and on the ground. They camped out. But today you do that on public property and you can get into serious trouble.

What a crazy world.

But I digress and rant. Sorry. Still, our relationship with the British makes me uncomfortable in some respects. Not that I dislike British people or even the country, but the relationship between the US and Britain is not something my early American ancestors would have wanted I believe.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
20. Awesome rant. I wish I could rant like that.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 10:45 PM
Oct 2014

I went to England once and the hostess I stayed with hated Americans with a blood vehemence. That's all she talked about. I was young and naive. It was awwwwkkkward!

I can rant about healing and spirituality well

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
2. "no longer an appetite at Justice for these cases"
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:23 PM
Oct 2014

What's the problem? The publicity reminds the little people about how their Fourth Amendment rights are used as toilet paper?

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
9. umm, maybe. but this might be some sort of smoke and mirrors at play.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:51 PM
Oct 2014

wouldn't be surprised, cuz it wouldn't be the first time.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
22. Nobody wants to trash a good political career for the NSA.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 08:59 AM
Oct 2014

And let's face it, defending the NSA snooping is NOT going to get you elected.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. federal prosecutors in Northern Virginia - "rocket docket"
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:29 PM
Oct 2014

That's where a WH goes to have its "special" projects done. The Northern Virginia rocket docket. Keep on eye on that.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
7. ""no longer an appetite at Justice for these cases." " Well, HEY NOW, there's always the BANKSTERS!!
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:35 PM
Oct 2014
:rof...oh, wait.

7 million families thrown in the street in foreclosure, today 9 million home loans underwater with more to come when we quit holding down interest rates. 10+ million more in poverty than there were in 2008, likely their children will be there too. Banksters report profits higher than any in the history of this country.

Oops. Not as funny...

GreydeeThos

(958 posts)
8. "there is no longer an appetite at Justice for these cases."
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 05:49 PM
Oct 2014

When the Government get to the point that it is no longer interested in justice, we have a problem. The next course of action for a Government not seeking justice is to just send out an assassin and kill the suspect.

PSPS

(13,591 posts)
12. It's long been obvious that Snowden isn't the only insider that objects to these illegal activities.
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 06:50 PM
Oct 2014

Despite the persistent braying on DU from the swooners and apologists, almost everyone finds this illegal domestic spying by the NSA absolutely reprehensible and worthy of exposure. And as long as we have that 240-acre hard drive in Utah, this isn't America.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
13. Agree completely. Amazing, the number of individuals
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:08 PM
Oct 2014

with an authoritarian mind-set here, on DU. What is this country coming to?

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
15. Isn't it about 24 acres?
Mon Oct 27, 2014, 07:34 PM
Oct 2014

It's 1,000,000 square feet. Am I wrong?

I don't mean to detract from your post, which is a good one.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
24. No, I checked.
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 12:38 PM
Oct 2014

This is from the horse's mouth:

The 1.5 billion-dollar one million square-foot Bluffdale / Camp Williams LEED Silver facility houses a 100,000 sq-ft mission critical Tier III data center. The remaining 900,000 SF is used for technical support and administrative space.


https://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

One million square feet is 22.9568411 acres.

So the Utah site is about twenty three acres.

Unless the NSA is off by a factor of ten, which is possible.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
21. If everything is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism
Tue Oct 28, 2014, 01:12 AM
Oct 2014
The documents, obtained from a source in the intelligence community, also reveal that the Obama Administration has presided over an unprecedented expansion of the terrorist screening system. Since taking office, Obama has boosted the number of people on the no fly list more than ten-fold, to an all-time high of 47,000—surpassing the number of people barred from flying under George W. Bush.

“If everything is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism,” says David Gomez, a former senior FBI special agent. The watchlisting system, he adds, is “revving out of control.”


• The second-highest concentration of people designated as “known or suspected terrorists” by the government is in Dearborn, Mich.—a city of 96,000 that has the largest percentage of Arab-American residents in the country.

• The government adds names to its databases, or adds information on existing subjects, at a rate of 900 records each day.




https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/05/watch-commander/
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