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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:57 PM Nov 2014

Biden Dodges Angry Mob In Ukraine

Source: Politico

By Lucy McCalmont
11/21/14 9:56 AM EST

Vice President Joe Biden backed out from appearing with President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine at a memorial ceremony in Kiev on Friday, when the Secret Service determined it “wasn’t a good idea” after a crowd became “unruly,” a pool report said.

“When Biden’s motorcade arrived on outskirts of what had become very large and somewhat unruly gathering, many chanting ‘shame’ at Poroshenko. … [U.S.] [S]ecret [S]ervice decided wasn’t a good idea for Biden to wade in,” according to the pool report.

At that point, the report said, Biden’s “[m]otorcade turned around.”

Biden, who has been in Ukraine with his wife, Dr. Jill Biden, was in Kiev on Friday morning to participate in a wreath-laying ceremony for people killed in demonstrations earlier this year. However, a crowd that was first around 100 people, mostly elderly men and women, quickly grew at Poroshenko’s arrival. The pool report said there was “little apparent interference” by Ukrainian security for Poroshenko.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/joe-biden-petro-poroshenko-ukraine-113086.html



Biden's Right to Be Scared of Ukraine

Nov 21, 2014 1:32 PM EST
By Leonid Bershidsky

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden's visit to Kiev today was timed to coincide with the first anniversary of the Maidan protests that eventually toppled Ukraine's corrupt regime. Still, Biden decided against attending a ceremony commemorating victims of the unrest, the so-called "Heavenly Hundred." His Secret Service escort said it would be too risky. That's a metaphor for what's going on in Ukraine today: The country is in chaos a year after its people decided to win freedom from oppressive corruption and stifling Russian influence.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko attended the ceremony anyway, only to be heckled by the victims' relatives. He had promised to declare the dead protesters national heroes and and pay pensions to their surviving relatives, but failed to deliver. An investigation of the death of more than 100 people in late February went nowhere, and no one was punished. Former President Viktor Yanukovych, along with his closest aides and some odious businessmen who got rich during his rule, escaped. Most went to Russia, and little of their plundered wealth has been found, let alone recovered.

For Ukrainians, the Maidan anniversary is a day of both sadness and pride. They argue hotly about whether life has gotten better. In an interesting Facebook thread, two prominent Kiev journalists, Darina Marchak and Oksana Mitnitska, disagree on the general mood of Ukrainian business: Marchak maintains that legitimate entrepreneurs are relieved, encouraged and ready to capitalize on the high tide of patriotism; Mitnitska sees hopelessness, closing stores and restaurants, a rise in emigration.

Both are right to some degree. Despite a 46 percent currency devaluation this year, the loss of Crimea, military defeats in the country's industrial east, about thousands of violent deaths, the never-ending wrangling of clueless politicians and the continuing depredations of a hidebound bureaucracy, I have yet to meet a Ukrainian who misses the Yanukovych regime, though they undoubtedly exist somewhere. It's hard to recall a single redeeming feature of that three-year period of boredom and despair. "If the question is whether you want to live minus a few limbs or die, the answer is obvious," the pessimist Mitnitska wrote.

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http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-11-21/bidens-right-to-be-scared-of-ukraine
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Biden Dodges Angry Mob In Ukraine (Original Post) Purveyor Nov 2014 OP
A pure opinion piece is the opposite of the Breaking News posting criteria.... Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #1
The first article is indeed LBN. The second article posted in the comments section of Purveyor Nov 2014 #6
We don't need a replay of Nixon in Caracas . . . Journeyman Nov 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #3
the West let Hitler take Czechoslovakia and now Putin is taking Ukraine uhnope Nov 2014 #4
Biden: US expects Ukraine to form new government in next few days jakeXT Nov 2014 #5
Gotta dig the 'he told' aspect. go west young man Nov 2014 #8
Just goes to show you what happens when the US overthrows governments nichomachus Nov 2014 #7
This is the first time they have done it right out in the open... go west young man Nov 2014 #9
"The US spent billions to overthrow a government that, while corrupt, was democratically elected" EX500rider Nov 2014 #10
A lot of people aren't aware that the US actually gave go west young man Nov 2014 #11
For goodness sake. The Neo-Con's/Republican institute have had their fingers all over it. newthinking Nov 2014 #17
To understand the events in Ukraine you must understand the "first" Maidan - Orange Revolution 2004 newthinking Nov 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2014 #13
No matter how many times your crowd repeats the lie geek tragedy Nov 2014 #21
Reminds me of "Angry crowd" days before police started shooting... cprise Nov 2014 #12
When did the police start shooting? MattSh Nov 2014 #19
Appears to be one day after the height of the firebombing cprise Nov 2014 #20
Biden would have kicked their asses Enrique Nov 2014 #14
Protesters heckle Ukrainian President bemildred Nov 2014 #15
Anti-Government Protest Forces Biden to Skip a Kiev Stop bemildred Nov 2014 #16
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
6. The first article is indeed LBN. The second article posted in the comments section of
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:38 PM
Nov 2014

this OP is indeed commentary.

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
5. Biden: US expects Ukraine to form new government in next few days
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:11 PM
Nov 2014


United States Vice President Joe Biden has said that the new Ukrainian government must be formed over the next few days.

At a press conference held jointly with Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko in Kyiv on Friday he told Ukrainians to create a new government over the next few days, not weeks.

https://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/biden-us-expects-ukraine-to-form-new-government-in-next-few-days-372670.html
 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
8. Gotta dig the 'he told' aspect.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:15 PM
Nov 2014

They aren't even trying to hide the fact that Poroshenko works for them. The Kiev Post article states it quite clearly.
I have covered Hunter Bidens employer extensively at this thread. Igor kolomoisky, who is Hunters employer through Burisma Holdings, is the lead financier of the Nazi battalions that have been conducting atrocities and are suspected of numerous false flag attacks....including the downing of MH-17.

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/05/r-hunter-biden-declare-owns-new-ukrainian-employer-burisma-holdings.html

Excerpt: Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expanded its Board of Directors by bringing on Mr. R Hunter Biden as a new director.

R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations. On his new appointment, he commented: “Burisma’s track record of innovations and industry leadership in the field of natural gas means that it can be a strong driver of a strong economy in Ukraine. As a new member of the Board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”



Yahoo and AFP (France) have put out this story on Burisma Holdings CEO Igor Kolomoisky and his Right Sector battalions that have been killing innocent ethnic Russian Ukrainian women and children. http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-soldiers-government-were-coming-next-155843129.html

Excerpt: Dnipro-1's headquarters are on the ground floor of the Dnipropetrovsk administration building. Upstairs sits the regional governor, Igor Kolomoisky.

The arrangement is no accident: Kolomoisky, one of Ukraine's most controversial billionaires, funds the paramilitary, which returns the favour in these troubled times by boosting the banking and industrial tycoon's personal security and political clout.

All the signs are of a flourishing military enterprise.

Young men with Kalashnikovs and pistols and several well dressed women working on laptops fill the anteroom to Bereza's office.



Now if you didn't know they were Neo-Nazis the Telegraph UK has more:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html

Excerpt:

As Ukraine’s armed forces tighten the noose around pro-Russian separatists in the east of the country, the western-backed government in Kiev is throwing militia groups – some openly neo-Nazi - into the front of the battle.
The Azov battalion has the most chilling reputation of all. Last week, it came to the fore as it mounted a bold attack on the rebel redoubt of Donetsk, striking deep into the suburbs of a city under siege.

But Kiev’s use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics”, proclaimed in eastern Ukraine in March, should send a shiver down Europe’s spine. Recently formed battalions such as Donbas, Dnipro and Azov, with several thousand men under their command, are officially under the control of the interior ministry but their financing is murky, their training inadequate and their ideology often alarming.
The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites.

A former history student and amateur boxer, Mr Biletsky is also head of an extremist Ukrainian group called the Social National Assembly. “The historic mission of our nation in this critical moment is to lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade for their survival,” he wrote in a recent commentary. “A crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”



Now think about those links people.......think real hard.......the son of the Vice President of the United States is working for the financier of Ukraines neo-nazi battalions that have killed over 4,000 innocent ethnic Russian civilians. To me, that is the story of the year. Yet no one is covering it. What happened to investigative reporting in the United States? Does no one have any backbone anymore?

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
7. Just goes to show you what happens when the US overthrows governments
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 03:50 PM
Nov 2014
The country is in chaos a year after its people decided to win freedom from oppressive corruption and stifling Russian influence.

What bullshit. The US spent billions to overthrow a government that, while corrupt, was democratically elected. And they replaced them with murderous neo-Nazi thugs. But then, the US has been doing this since the 1940s. So what else is new?
 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
9. This is the first time they have done it right out in the open...
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:19 PM
Nov 2014

in the age of You Tube and Wikileaks it's impossible to cover it up. Yet they go on as if no one can see through it all. Here's the Wikileaks link proving Poroshenko works directly for the US. In the 2006 cable they refer to him as their "Ukraine insider".


https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06KIEV1706_a.html

Excerpt: 1. (C) During an April 28 meeting with Ambassador, Our
Ukraine (OU) insider Petro Poroshenko emphatically denied he
was using his influence with the Prosecutor General to put
pressure on Tymoshenko lieutenant Oleksandr Turchynov (refs A
and B). Coalition talks with the Tymoshenko Bloc (BYuT) were
continuing, but there was no progress to report; President
Yushchenko still seemed unwilling to accept Tymoshenko as
prime minister and was "listening" to influential advocates
of cooperation with the Party of Regions.

EX500rider

(10,847 posts)
10. "The US spent billions to overthrow a government that, while corrupt, was democratically elected"
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:26 PM
Nov 2014

Not....the US didn't overthrown their govt or pay to have it done.


Since 1992, the government has spent about $5.1 billion to support democracy-building programs in Ukraine, Thompson said, with money flowing mostly from the Department of State via U.S. Agency for International Development, as well as the departments of Defense, Energy, Agriculture and others. The United States does this with hundreds of other countries.

About $2.4 billion went to programs promoting peace and security, which could include military assistance, border security, human trafficking issues, international narcotics abatement and law enforcement interdiction, Thompson said. More money went to categories with the objectives of "governing justly and democratically" ($800 million), "investing in people" ($400 million), economic growth ($1.1 billion), and humanitarian assistance ($300 million).

The United States spent about $20 million on Peace Corps programs in Ukraine over the past four years. It spent about $40 million through U.S. AID on health programs in the countries since 2010 -- fighting HIV/AIDs, malaria and providing for maternal and child health. The United States spent an additional $80 million or so working on projects related to weapons of mass destruction, according to ForeignAssistance.gov.

Contrary to claims, the United States did not spend $5 billion to incite the rebellion in Ukraine.
That’s a distorted understanding of remarks given by a State Department official. She was referring to money spent on democracy-building programs in Ukraine since it broke off from the Soviet Union in 1991.
We rate the claim Pants on Fire.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
11. A lot of people aren't aware that the US actually gave
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:50 PM
Nov 2014

millions of dollars to the Kiev government on the day of the Odessa Massacre through the USAID program.


Proof that the US government funded the Kiev media on the day of the Odessa massacre.

Link to the official US government website for USAID. That US government site officially states that USAID INCREASES SUPPORT FOR MEDIA AND PRESS FREEDOM IN UKRAINE
For Immediate Release
Friday, May 2, 2014
USAID Press Office

http://www.usaid.gov/news-information/press-releases/may-2-2014-usaid-increases-support-media-and-press-freedom-ukraine

This support takes place on May 2, 2014- the very same day of the Odessa massacre.....now look at what the Kiev Post publishes on May 3,2014, the very next day...

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/sbu-russia-behind-kidnapping-of-osce-military-observers-updates-videos-346066.html

Headline at link reads:
Police say pro-Russians accidentally set fatal Odessa fire with Molotov cocktails (LIVE UPDATES, VIDEO)
Print version
May 3, 2014, 6:45 p.m. | Ukraine — by Kyiv Post

Now take a look at the way these people died....and attempt to figure out all these "accidents". Some are beaten, some are strangled, some are raped, some are set on fire, some are shot. Some 'accident'. Warning graphic photos: Pictures are of corpses in various states of death. http://ucmopuockon.livejournal.com/5885397.html

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
17. For goodness sake. The Neo-Con's/Republican institute have had their fingers all over it.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:54 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:43 PM - Edit history (1)

The media conveniently avoids any reference to the *first* attempt. The "Orange Revolution" in which the man that came to power's wife was American, worked in Republican administrations and was prominent in Right wing think tanks.

Then we have the followup with the wife of PNAC founder (Victoria Nuland) at the forefront.




newthinking

(3,982 posts)
18. To understand the events in Ukraine you must understand the "first" Maidan - Orange Revolution 2004
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:56 PM
Nov 2014

Originally posted http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025459029


[font size="2"]To understand how we got to where we are now: You must understand that this effort has been ongoing since at least the beginning of the new century.

The first attempt at affecting "Regime Change" was the orchestration, mostly by neo-cons, of the "Orange Revolution".

The Wests choice in 2004? A man by the name of Victor Yuschenko.


His wife? An American Citizen and Far Right Republican who had worked for the Reagan Administration, had been director at a NeoCon think tank (New Atlantic Initiative) (Victor also worked with this group) and also worked for the far right think tank the Heritage Foundation. "Katherine Chumachenko Yushenko worked in the White House Public Liaison Office where she conducted outreach to various right-wing and anti-communist exile groups in the United States.



A very good summary from a post on an older version of DU Tinoire
There are links on the original page:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2870381


Ukraine, Yushchenko, his wife (Bush employee), the US and Soros

"After hearing that the NED had pumped $65 million dollars into this election and that his wife was an American citizen, I thought I'd research this a little. I don't know this handsome US-backed Yushchenko but I'm suspecting that he is going to dismantle the Ukraine Boris-Yeltsin style and sell if off to US & European corporate interests. Germany, France and the US already have their deals in place with him over pipelines, utility companies and national resources.

Just thought I'd throw this information out there so that people can see how these things are done and how the media cooperates into presenting these changes as "spontaneous" changes that the US had nothing to do with.

So here we go. First some of the "meddling" that the media hasn't covered and then in my second post, Yushchenko's "dedicated conservative" US State Department wife.

$61 million for the Ukraine elections to back Yushchenko and $100,000 to the Tsunami victims. Just shameful.
==========================================================

Bush Adminstration Spent $65 Million to Help Opposition in Ukraine

December 10, 2004

By: Matt Kelley
Associated Press

Printer Friendly Version

WASHINGTON - The Bush administration has spent more than $65 million in the past two years to aid political organizations in Ukraine, paying to bring opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko to meet U.S. leaders and helping to underwrite exit polls indicating he won last month's disputed runoff election.

(snip)

But officials acknowledge some of the money helped train groups and individuals opposed to the Russian-backed government candidate — people who now call themselves part of the Orange revolution.

For example, one group that got grants through U.S.-funded foundations is the Center for Political and Legal Reforms, whose Web site has a link to Yushchenko's home page under the heading "partners." Another project funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development brought a Center for Political and Legal Reforms official to Washington last year for a three-week training session on political advocacy.

(snip)
The four foundations involved included three funded by the U.S. government: The National Endowment for Democracy, which gets its money directly from Congress; the Eurasia Foundation, which gets money from the State Department, and the Renaissance Foundation, part of a network of charities funded by billionaire George Soros that gets money from the State Department. Other countries involved included Great Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Canada, Norway, Sweden and Denmark.

Grants from groups funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development also went to the International Center for Policy Studies, a think tank that includes Yushchenko on its supervisory board. The board also includes several current or former advisers to Kuchma, however.

IRI, Craner's Republican-backed group, used U.S. money to help Yushchenko arrange meetings with Vice President Dick Cheney , Assistant Secretary of State Richard Armitage and GOP leaders in Congress in February 2003.

(snip)

the U.S. government, through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), granted millions of dollars to the Poland-America-Ukraine Cooperation Initiative (PAUCI), which is administered by the U.S.-based Freedom House. (note: Very hawkish / Dan Quayle is one of their trustees / other names just as disturbing: http://www.freedomhouse.org/aboutfh/bod.htm )

PAUCI then sent U.S. government funds to numerous Ukrainian non-governmental organizations (NGOs). This would be bad enough and would in itself constitute meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. But, what is worse is that many of these grantee organizations in Ukraine are blatantly in favor of presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko.

Consider the Ukrainian NGO International Center for Policy Studies. It is an organization funded by the U.S. government through PAUCI. On its Web site, we discover that this NGO was founded by George Soros' Open Society Institute. And further on we can see that Viktor Yushchenko himself sits on the advisory board!

(reluctant snip)

This May, the Virginia-based private management consultancy Development Associates, Inc., was awarded $100 million by the U.S. government "for strengthening national legislatures and other deliberative bodies worldwide." According to the organization's Web site, several million dollars from this went to Ukraine in advance of the elections.

(snip)

Note from the USAID page on Ukraine: "Beyond the power sector, USAID plans to identify and assist in removing the obstacles of proper market functioning in other segments of the energy sector such as the privatization of the oil and gas transportation systems."
https://web.archive.org/web/20040826143304/http://www.usaid.gov/pubs/cbj2003/ee/ua/121-0150.html

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Yushenko administration lost the presidency 15 months later:


Notably, one of the things that lost him the Presidency only 15 months later was his turn toward the same brand of extreme nationalism. He elevated Stephen Bandera, (a very controversial figure who is revered by extreme factions that Europe and others warned were tied to Social Nationalist Fascist groups) to "Hero" status.

A Fascist Hero in Democratic Kiev

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2010/feb/24/a-fascist-hero-in-democratic-kiev/
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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. No matter how many times your crowd repeats the lie
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 04:50 PM
Nov 2014

that the US funded a coup (there was no coup, and the revolution was not funded by the US) it is still a lie.

MattSh

(3,714 posts)
19. When did the police start shooting?
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 03:12 AM
Nov 2014

You're likely referring to protestors and police that were shot from buildings controlled by the Nazi Right Sector.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
15. Protesters heckle Ukrainian President
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 07:10 PM
Nov 2014

The Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko was shouted down by angry relatives of 100 protesters killed in Kiev’s “Euromaidan” revolution at a ceremony yesterday paying tribute to the victims.

The relatives, frustrated by Mr Poroshenko’s failure to bring officials of the previous government to justice, shouted, “Down with Poroshenko”, “Who is a hero for you, Poroshenko?” and “Where are their killers?” They also attacked him for failing to keep a promise to confer the title of national hero on the victims, which would bring financial benefits to their families.

It was the first real public display of anger against Mr Poroshenko, who was elected President in May after the pro-Moscow leader Viktor Yanukovych fled the country.

Yesterday, the US Vice President Joe Biden arrived in Ukraine and was due to make a visit to the area off Kiev’s Independence Square but called it off, apparently for security reasons. Touring Kiev, he said Western sanctions would not be lifted against Russia until Moscow did more to enforce a ceasefire agreement signed in September.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/protesters-heckle-ukrainian-president-9876623.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
16. Anti-Government Protest Forces Biden to Skip a Kiev Stop
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 07:11 PM
Nov 2014

Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. had to beat a hasty retreat on Friday at the sight of an unruly crowd of Ukrainians in Kiev protesting the new government amid continuing unrest in that former Soviet republic.

Mr. Biden, making his third visit to Ukraine in seven months, was trying to visit a memorial to those killed during the uprising that toppled the pro-Russian president, Viktor F. Yanukovych. But when his motorcade arrived, he found an angry crowd protesting the new pro-Western government of President Petro O. Poroshenko.

According to a pool report, many in the crowd were chanting “shame” at Mr. Poroshenko for failing to hunt down those whom they held responsible for the deaths of their children in some of the fighting that has racked the country. The Secret Service concluded that it was too volatile a situation for the vice president to wade into, and the motorcade turned around to leave.

The last thing the Secret Service, already under criticism for slips in security for the president, wanted was a repeat of the 1958 visit by Vice President Richard M. Nixon to Venezuela, where anti-American protesters pelted his limousine with rocks. While western Ukrainians generally support closer ties to the United States and Europe, some eastern Ukrainians have attributed this year’s revolution and subsequent turmoil to an American plot for influence in the former Soviet Union.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2014/11/21/?entry=6238&_php=true&_type=blogs&partner=rss&emc=rss

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