Holder frustrated with Mo. governor over actions before Ferguson grand jury decision
Source: Washington Post.com
"Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has expressed concerns privately to Missouri officials this week about their recent actions in advance of a grand jurys decision in the Michael Brown case.
A top aide to Holder called the office of Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon (D) earlier this week to express Holders displeasure and frustration that the governor had declared a state of emergency at a news conference and activated the National Guard in advance of the grand jury decision in the Ferguson shooting, expected to be announced in the next few days, according to a Justice Department official.
Instead of de-escalating the situation, the governor escalated it, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the subject. He sent the wrong message. The tone of the press conference was counterproductive.
Senior Justice officials also told U.S. attorneys around the country on Tuesday to be in close touch with local police to prepare for any possible violence in their cities, should the grand jury decision not result in an indictment of Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson for the fatal shooting of Brown, an unarmed black teenager, on Aug. 9."
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/holder-frustrated-with-mo-governor-over-actions-before-ferguson-grand-jury-decision/2014/11/21/d61b43cc-717e-11e4-ad12-3734c461eab6_story.html
There's a vid at the link with AG Holder .. "expressing sympathies with the Protesters.."
I haven't seen anything about this and thought it should be known..
Instead of de-escalating the situation, the governor escalated it, said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the subject. He sent the wrong message. The tone of the press conference was counterproductive.
Michael Brown
BumRushDaShow
(127,313 posts)to try match the fuzzy pictures that they grew up with showing injustices that happened 50 years ago, in order to manufacture an event that they can cover 24/7 for the next couple weeks.
Cha
(295,926 posts)gobsmacking ratings!
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)societal harm.
Cha
(295,926 posts)2003. Ratings.. they don't who's killed or maimed..as long as they're #1. Lies? You bet.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 22, 2014, 12:01 PM - Edit history (1)
weapons....they believe a riot will justify them having them. Then they can tell the public they were justified in responding with military grade weapons...
jwirr
(39,215 posts)police riots. They were instigated BY the police against non-violent protesters. I have no idea why we are ignoring everything we learned back then and once more pushing protesters into a corner with threats.
And back then journalism was about what had happened not what the MSM thinks is going to happen. What someone thinks is going to happen is not news. It is gossip.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)No false flags needed!
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)It WAS clear that Bush was going to invade, no argument there.
But CNN and Blitzer talked for days about the invasion, using huge graphics and even discussing, as news, how CNN was going to cover the invasion.
They made news about their future coverage of news!
Which is why I permanently turned off CNN.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)report it. Too bad so many have forgotten that.
Anansi1171
(793 posts)the tracks in stolen elections, going into high-gear again.
Cha
(295,926 posts)RKP5637
(67,032 posts)clueless as to the ramifications of their actions.
Cha
(295,926 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)expendable if property is threatened. Somebody should tell me again why the fuck black people fought and died for this benighted land in every one of its military engagements going back to 1776.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)piece of work.
Here's a question directed to the illustrious Governor Nixon by a HuffPost reporter recently about the so-called 'state of emergency' and Nixon's activation of Missouri's vaunted Weekend Warriors:
https://soundcloud.com/jon-swaine/gov-jay-nixon-on-ferguson
If Nixon's answer isn't just the most confidence-inspiring words of leadership I've ever heard, well then, I don't know what! Winston Churchill must be green with envy! Robert F. Kennedy must be feeling he's met his rhetorical match! And Abe Lincoln with that silly "four score and seven years" malarkey? Pffft.
My wife says Nixon sounds like Sarah Palin on crack.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)done nothing to deescalate the situation. The entire Ferguson PD needs a huge overhaul. The military acting police pushed by the state to make sure any reaction is peaceful suggest he has reason to suspect foul play already exists. Either way the right gears up for this kind of confrontation which should remain underground.
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)cops looking forward to war games.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)they have all these tanks and other "toys" they want to justify having.....they want to be able to say...."Seeee...this is why we even have them!"
RKP5637
(67,032 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)can now use military equipment? You often hear generals saying that civilians should not have guns etc. meant for use as weapons of war so what is so different today? Even back in the riots of the 60s they were not playing war games with citizens. The dogs used then will look small compared to the use of this equipment.
I am already feeling sick about this. And there is only peaceful non-violent protesting happening so far.
BumRushDaShow
(127,313 posts)They are repeating a pattern in that state that is doing nothing but trying to create a hornet's nest and then disturb it. It's downright ridiculous.
Thanks for posting Cha!
Cha
(295,926 posts)A' ole pilikia
Cha
(295,926 posts)BumRushDaShow
(127,313 posts)Well... we are sadly seeing it.
Cha
(295,926 posts)sheshe2
(83,355 posts)The wrong message indeed, they are inciting a riot, Cha. Or at the very least trying to. Methinks it is part of there cover up.
Damn them all!
Cha
(295,926 posts)a Big Thank You to AG Holder for pointing that out, she!
eggplant
(3,893 posts)Cha
(295,926 posts)love_katz
(2,562 posts)And thank you to Cha, and Octafish, and kpete, and well, everyone who continues to keep all of us on DU informed.
You ALL make my day.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)work so well on "animals" according to their (missouri) law enforcement.
and, this mentality is all the more reason for demonstrators to rise above the lawless law enforcemnt and be peacefull in their rights as doj holder implores.
Cha
(295,926 posts)Like you avatar
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)i like yours, too
jwirr
(39,215 posts)sheshe2
(83,355 posts)sheshe2
(83,355 posts)Cha
(295,926 posts)Cha
(295,926 posts)be ever so!
sheshe2
(83,355 posts)the police? Doubtful.
Cha
(295,926 posts)the situation before it even begins.
Hoping this message from Holder and the anonymous official means the FEDS will be Watching.. pretty sure it does.
Attorney General Eric Holder Praises Peaceful Protest as Ferguson Waits
"In a video message, Holder did not mention Ferguson, but he said that protests over the past few months have called attention to police practices, implicit bias and pervasive community distrust.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/attorney-general-eric-holder-praises-peaceful-protest-ferguson-waits-n253376
Michael Brown's Father Urges Calm, Calls for 'Positive Change'
"My family and I are hurting. Our whole region is hurting. I thank you for lifting your voices to interracial profiling and police intimidation. But hurting others or destroying property is not the answer," he said. "No matter what the grand jury decides, I do not want my sons death to be in vain. I want it to lead to incredible change, positive change, change that makes the St. Louis region better for everyone."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/michael-browns-father-urges-calm-calls-positive-change-n253101
Michael Brown
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)What disgusts me is the people defending Wilson with the "Brown should not have commited a crime" crap, implying that it is OK for Blacks to executed without trial for PETTY THEFT!
Cha
(295,926 posts)"In a video message, Holder did not mention Ferguson, but he said that protests over the past few months have called attention to police practices, implicit bias and pervasive community distrust.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/attorney-general-eric-holder-praises-peaceful-protest-ferguson-waits-n253376
Michael Brown's Father Urges Calm, Calls for 'Positive Change'
"My family and I are hurting. Our whole region is hurting. I thank you for lifting your voices to interracial profiling and police intimidation. But hurting others or destroying property is not the answer," he said. "No matter what the grand jury decides, I do not want my sons death to be in vain. I want it to lead to incredible change, positive change, change that makes the St. Louis region better for everyone."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/michael-browns-father-urges-calm-calls-positive-change-n253101
Michael Brown
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)to imagine how horrible he must be feeling and still to be able to rise above his own pain blows my mind.
Cha
(295,926 posts)Stryst
(714 posts)about this atrocity you keep reading, over and over, that it was reasonable for Wilson to fear Brown because he's big.
Guess what? I'm 6'3" and a tazer stops me dead in my tracks. Why did Darren Wilson even HAVE a gun? Why are police allowed to shoot anyone that they "feel threatened by"? My partner was raped by a police officer three years ago, so am I allowed to shoot any police who step onto my property? Because we sure as hell feel threatened every time we see a cop.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)The messaging, and handling of this the past few days, has been absurd.
Cha
(295,926 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)As opposed to WHAT?
Shooting them on sight?
Cha
(295,926 posts)"In a video message, Holder did not mention Ferguson, but he said that protests over the past few months have called attention to police practices, implicit bias and pervasive community distrust.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/attorney-general-eric-holder-praises-peaceful-protest-ferguson-waits-n253376
Michael Brown's Father Urges Calm, Calls for 'Positive Change'
"My family and I are hurting. Our whole region is hurting. I thank you for lifting your voices to interracial profiling and police intimidation. But hurting others or destroying property is not the answer," he said. "No matter what the grand jury decides, I do not want my sons death to be in vain. I want it to lead to incredible change, positive change, change that makes the St. Louis region better for everyone."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/michael-browns-father-urges-calm-calls-positive-change-n253101
Michael Brown
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)its telegraphing the foregone conclusion before its announced. Nixon is a jerk
Cha
(295,926 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Sounds scary.
Perhaps there'll be some areas that score "room for improvement" on the review.
Droning Predator
(82 posts)What more we need to know?
Cha
(295,926 posts)Noooo.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)about it, I would much rather have the National Guard protecting me if I were there than I would the local police. Just because. I cannot imagine the National Guard doing anything other than protecting in serving, though I could be wrong- one would have to go back to Kent State I think in order to find them in a bad situation. But that's just me, and I'm not there.
Also, what if Nixon knows and realizes just how difficult it might be to find locals who aren't inclined to sympathize with the racists? I'm giving him a pass for know, though that might change with circumstances or forthcoming info.
Cha
(295,926 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 22, 2014, 05:32 PM - Edit history (1)
Just hoping for Peaceful Protests as implored by the President, AG Holder, and Michael Brown Sr. No outside agitators.. and, no more Bully tactics from the FPD.
Michael Brown
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)I actually had to explain to a DUer yesterday in images a statement I made about the impact of the image of police dogs attacking a peaceful child protestor on the civil rights movement.
I was shocked that someone wouldn't understand that reference.
Sit ins are the way to go. If they release the dogs - then maybe well meaning people will wake up.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)And didn't vote !!
so 2 Right wing thugs(Walker and Schimmel) were elected. Their next step is to make my state a right to work state.
Apparently our $7.25 an hour jobs are too expensive for the business men to pay
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)When they went and voted for Christie - ignoring a flawless hard hitting liberal and progressive who has always been a Democrat. Ask me about the chances of Warren or Sanders when Buono - a flawless liberal Democrat got thrown under the bus by her party. IE - I hear ya and I feel ya!
forthemiddle
(1,373 posts)It was nowhere near a Presidential turnout, but it was the highest Mid Term, or Governors race in 1/2 a century.
Other states were pitiful, and we didn't have a Senatorial campaign, but for Governors we were actually much better than the national average (I thing around 57%).
jwirr
(39,215 posts)don't think they care. Could they be so shallow as to actually want to blow a whole people to pieces? I have trouble understanding these white people who are acting like this. And as you know I am white. When I try to understand my mind just draws a blank. We have no excuse.
I would like to make a profound apology to the people who face this kind of discrimination every day of their lives because of some weakness on the part of people like me. I just reread what I wrote. I have felt this way all of my life because I am German. Do you think we will ever learn?
JustAnotherGen
(31,683 posts)Don't feel bad. I didn't know white people couldbe bigoted to black children until we left Weisbaden (then West Germany) and moved back to Western NY state in 1978. .
jwirr
(39,215 posts)sense but the guilt is still there. Thank you. And I honestly do not think there are explanations to some of the questions I asked in that post.
BruceW
(30 posts)After the verdict, one way or the other, there will be tension. Since the local PD is part of the tension, it makes sense to call in a third party, i.e. the National Guard.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Cha
(295,926 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)I have never liked him and have heard nothing but negative assessments from people who know him personally. One person told me that he loves the death penalty.
One senator clearly dislikes him. In retrospect, her comments are delightful.
A Missouri state senator who was tear-gassed while protesting in Ferguson, Missouri, vented her frustration with Gov. Jay Nixon (D) in blunt terms early Thursday morning.
Maria Chappelle-Nadal (D), who represents parts of Ferguson, was angry enough at the way that Nixon had handled the situation in Ferguson that she tweeted FUCK you to the governor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/maria-chappelle-nadal-jay-nixon_n_5681744.html
I think she was justified in her anger and was saying what a lot of people felt then and feel now.
Nixon's history and relationships are very telling. He had tremendous enthusiasm as a prosecutor, and he has overseen 90% of the executions in MO (as AG and gov).
His time as AG probably led to a cozy relationship with the union leaders, like the infamous Jeff Roorda. He may not want to cross them in order to protect the union relationship for the 2016 candidate for Gov. (current AG).
My feeling is that Nixon is making his disingenuous statements written by his advisors, while remaining loyal to the union that is standing by Wilson. In the end, I don't think he'll be able to have it both ways.
Michael Brown
Thanks for that ^ I hadn't noticed it before.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Has exhibited a lot of patience so far. I commend them for that. It is not easy in the face of so much injustice and hatred.
Cha
(295,926 posts)Kath1
(4,309 posts)And the media is just as bad, if not worse. They are almost drooling over the possibility of riots and bloodshed.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I know it won't and I'm hoping for way to much.