FBI arrests 2 men for buying explosives near Ferguson

[KinMd]

Source: CBS News

The FBI arrested two men Thursday night accused of purchasing explosives they apparently planned to use during protests in Ferguson, Missouri, a law enforcement source told CBS News.

The men, who live in the St. Louis area, are allegedly members of the new Black Panthers. They were arrested as part of an FBI undercover operation near Ferguson and intended to use the explosives in pipe bombs, the source confirmed.

The suspects, whose names were not released, were arraigned in federal court on Friday.

Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-arrests-2-men-for-buying-explosives-near-ferguson/

[underpants]

1. Stinks

provocateurs

[Jackpine Radical]

46. My thought exactly.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire "New Black Panther" organization consists of 17 FBI agents & 4 dupes.

Let's ratchet the fear a little higher, guys. We need some justification for going in with live ammo.

[Darb]

2. Buying explosives? Like dynamite?

What did they allegedly buy? And who exactly are they?

This will not end well.

[GGJohn]

26. Probably black powder, which is usually used in pipe bombs,

[Mika]

3. "They were arrested as part of an FBI undercover operation... "

Ever since this (below), and others, I'm always reserved in my assessment ...

Liberty City Seven
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_City_Seven

[Hassin Bin Sober]

7. Me too.

I remember the karate move- doing-warehouse-living nut balls who probably couldn't have found the Sears Tower let alone blow it up.

[joshcryer]

18. How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists'

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515

This isn't new, though:

http://www.greenisthenewred.com/blog/elle_anna/421/

It's basically entrapment, and it belies belief how they are allowed to get away with it.

[MrScorpio]

4. Sounds like another FB! "sting" op

I wouldn't be surprised if it were the FBI themselves who promised to supply a couple of saps with the explosives.

I guess that it's easier to dream up crime rather than solve it.

[Mr.Bill]

5. Very poor journalism.

What is the source of them being "alleged members of the New Black Panthers"? The writer just says this without attributing it to anyone. Are we supposed to believe they were carrying membership cards or something?

[840high]

6. Perhaps that's what

they told the cops.

[Mr.Bill]

11. Then that's what the story should say.

The reader shouldn't have to speculate or wonder if the writer himself is speculating.

[840high]

15. Yes - poor writing.

[KingCharlemagne]

12. If they were arraigned in federal court on Friday, their names and identities should be

a matter of public record, unless they were rendtioned to Gitmo or one of the other CIA black (npi) sites.

Agree with you 100% about the piss-poor journalism. In an earlier age (Spanish-American War era), it was called 'yellow journalism.'

[arcane1]

20. It also says they "were arrested on outstanding warrants"

But the headline says they were arrested for the purchases. In the first paragraph it just says they are "accused" of it.

Shitty journalism.

And if it's true, I'm glad they caught these dumb-asses.

[Mr.Bill]

21. This story would be graded F

in my sophomore high school journalism class.

[wordpix]

30. what do you expect when good writers make min. wage?

In my locality, anyway. Around 2000, I would get $100 for an op-ed in local papers and then it went down to $50. Now they don't pay a thing. It's a disgrace. But let's pay Wall St. bankers, movie stars and sports players million$ per year and keep the people stupid.

[Mr.Bill]

32. Even 45 years ago,

my high school journalism teacher told us the people that print the newspaper generally make more money than the people who write the newspaper. I worked as a journalist briefly then became a printer. Had a nice career, always had a job and now I'm retired.

[KingCharlemagne]

51. Check out this article by OWS rock star David Graeber:

http://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

and an interview with Graeber after his seminal essay above was published:

http://www.hamptoninstitution.org/bullshit-jobs.html#.VHDHk2dRnIV

Long-and-short: professions with the highest social utility (like nursing or teaching) pay the lowest and professions with little or no social utility (like finance and investment banking) pay the most.

[freshwest]

35. +1

[bushisanidiot]

8. CBS seems to be only source. Why would FBI leak details?

Sorry, but this sounds completely bogus. The NBP have been working with organizers to keep peace. This doesn't sound like them AT ALL. It sounds like the KKK or some other hate group.

[Ink Man]

17. I can see

where the FBI could make that mistake.

[joshcryer]

19. Likely an inside source, it'll be made public soon enough.

I don't see CBS news reporting this without having a good source.

[Mr.Bill]

33. Then they should at least say the have a reliable source,

even if they can't name it yet. The way it's written sounds like it's the writer's opinion.

[joshcryer]

34. "a law enforcement source"

Guess that's as far as they can go without revealing their internal sources.

[FLPanhandle]

9. If true, then they are idiots

Not only does it justify police being heavily armed, but destroys the image of peaceful protesters trying to get justice.

[FLPanhandle]

16. Well, if you can justify the use of explosive, then I think you are far worse than an idiot.

Don't you realize the most powerful images were peaceful protesters facing fully armed police?

Never mind, you wouldn't understand such concepts.

[840high]

23. That's my hope.

[Darb]

25. Are you saying this article is conclusive in any way?

I, for one, await a bit more information. Actually, a lot more information.

I agree with you that they could be idiots, but so far, I don't have enough information.

[FLPanhandle]

28. Not at all.

That's why I started my comment with "If true,".

Who knows if it's really true right now, but if it is true, they are idiots IMO.

[Darb]

31. Cool. I get you.

They most certainly could be idiots. But my radar is pegging.

[yeoman6987]

37. Something is going on because their was an

Accident with a car and protesters. I though Grand Jury was announced with everything going on, but it hasn't.

[Strelnikov_]

10. Here we go

. . . play by play.

[DeSwiss]

14. BULLSHIT!

Fucking Gestapo.

[bushisanidiot]

22. Now they are saying it was straw purchase of firearms from a sporting goods store

And no mention of "explosives". Sounds like some very sloppy leaking and assumptions are being made. Always get multiple sources to confirm story is true. http://m.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-charged-in-st-louis-in-federal-firearms-case/article_bc0d3aea-f21d-5e29-947b-5c777ec2d70d.html?mobile_touch=true

[arcane1]

24. So the actual facts are the complete opposite of the CBS rushed story. Figures.

We know which version of the story racists will remember a year from now.

[Darb]

27. Figures.

I want more information, but apparently some here do not need it.

[Darb]

29. Holy shit, they are using the term "New Black Panthers" as if

it is fact. If you are going to use that in the headline, at least back that shit up.

[Guaguacoa]

50. The link I posted in #48 has the names and says they are connected to the NY BP's.nt

[Historic NY]

36. How the hockey pucks did explosives get into the story in the first place.

[Mr.Bill]

38. Another link:

This one calling them "associated with radical groups" again without naming a source.

http://news.yahoo.com/2-missouri-charged-lying-forms-buy-guns-ahead-025800533--abc-news-topstories.html

[Red State Rebel]

71. Two separate cases - the St. Louis paper has covered both stories.

[jtuck004]

39. They have changed the story at your link. n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

40. "allegedly members of the new Black Panthers."

They work for FOX "News"?

[Ash_F]

41. Sounds like entrapment. /nt

[applegrove]

42. That is awful. Vibes to Ferguson that

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they may have peacefull demonstrations
That nobody gets hurt.

[gordianot]

43. This investigation has been ongoing for several months the timing of this story is odd.

Just on the eve of a Grand Jury decision, what had to be an expensive investigation, wrong information about what was purchased in media report. All of this was dumped on a Friday in a town with a good dose of paranoia. To buy explosives you have to register with the State in Missouri. Appears to me someone is trying to stir up the the public.

[blackspade]

44. Bullshit.

When are they going to convene a grand jury?
Oh right, they are black and therefore no 'evidence' needs to be examined.

White cop guns down unarmed man in the street = lengthy grand jury hearings and paid vacation.
Two 'Black Panthers' purchase 'explosives' = automatic arrest and indictment.

What a fucked up double standard in the 'justice' system...

[heaven05]

45. hate agitation

if this is true, they must by proven guilty before I pass judgement. If not, then typical amerikkkan racist agitation. This whole chain of events set off by that stupid man wilson is slowly building to an end that I fear will not bode well for a lot of people, all races. Only amerikkka could have a racist history and a racist culture ugly enough to be able to set up a scenario like this one that is building in ferguson.

I want names and details of alleged "new black panther" perps. So far, no arrest of kkk members threatening violence and "lethal force" against blacks in this ferguson imbroglio. But some blacks were sure 'found'.

[Guaguacoa]

49. See post 48.

It says the names and says they are connected to NY Black panthers.

According to the indictment, between Nov. 1 and 13, Baldwin, also known as Brandon Muhammad, and Olajuwon, also known as Olajuwon Ali and Brother Ali, acquired two Hi-Point .45 ACP pistols at the store, claiming that Baldwin was the buyer when, in fact, the weapons were intended for someone else."

[MohRokTah]

47. CBS Has retracted this. It was false written statements during a firearms purchase.

Read the link, it's been changed. The cops were trying to turn black people into terrorists.

[Guaguacoa]

48. It says they are connected with the new black panther's

in New York and it was a straw .45 handgun purchase. From STL today.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/two-with-black-panther-connections-charged-in-st-louis-in/article_bc0d3aea-f21d-5e29-947b-5c777ec2d70d.html

"Two men have been indicted on weapons charges in federal court here for allegedly making straw purchases of two handguns at the Cabela’s sporting goods store in Hazelwood.

A police source says both men are affiliated with the New Black Panther Party and were taken into custody this morning.

The indictment was handed up Wednesday and unsealed today accusing Brandon Orlando Baldwin and Olajuwon Davis of making false statements to obtain firearms. The defendants’ ages and addresses were not made public.

According to the indictment, between Nov. 1 and 13, Baldwin, also known as Brandon Muhammad, and Olajuwon, also known as Olajuwon Ali and Brother Ali, acquired two Hi-Point .45 ACP pistols at the store, claiming that Baldwin was the buyer when, in fact, the weapons were intended for someone else."

[MohRokTah]

52. Right, NO EXPLOSIVES

Explosives was put out by the cops because TERRORISM!!!!!

Reality was, it's something that happens every fucking day in America.

[Guaguacoa]

59. I never said there was and who says terrorism requires

explosives? It doesn't. I'm not saying this is terrorism, but knives can be involved in terrorism.

[heaven05]

60. why the attempt

at making black people the problem, when the kkk has openly threatened violence and "lethal force" against ferguson protestors(spell that black ferguson protestors). You not concerned about that are you? Ohhhhh, black terrorist heading to ferguson. They have white terrorists already there, I think people on the end of white threats have a right to defend themselves. I would like to know how many outside white power people are in that area waiting to apply "lethal force" to ferguson protestors(spell that black ferguson protestors). Do you know?

[Guaguacoa]

63. You are not sane are you?

Lay off the crank, it's making you paranoid.

I have not portrayed anyone as anything, I clearly said I am not saying they are terrorists. YOU said they put in the bombs part to try and call them terrorists when they do not need bombs for that.

I was the one that posted that it had nothing to do with bombs.

.I have no dog in the fight (so to speak) as I am mexican and in mexico. So lay off the meth and quit trying to claim I am supporting white people doing violence. NOWHERE have I said that and you are a blatant liar.

You are creating a problem with me that doesn't exist, but you already know that. You are just blatantly lying.

You are going on ignore. People that cannot discuss something without lying about what was said should be ignored.

[heaven05]

64. it figures

you have the problem. But not a surprising problem, typical. Your insane comment belies your state of mind.

[Guaguacoa]

66. I do? I was not lying about anything you said in anyway,

you completely lied about what I posted. I am in the middle, I hate neither race. You on the other hand are a racist.

[tkmorris]

54. No, they aren't

There were no explosives of any kind. The story is false.

[NaturalHigh]

56. Sorry, I hadn't read all of the replies.

I have deleted.

[OregonBlue]

55. I thought Sharyl Attkisson had left CBS.

[Guaguacoa]

57. I'm not sure I would classify these guys as peaceful protesters.

The link I posted in #48 says the straw buyers are connected with the ny black panters. I wonder if they are connected to these guys out of STL? I would be well prepared and I am not white. Yes, there are a lot of legitimate protesters, but I think these guys may mess it up.

https://twitter.com/blackrebels_stl

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 9
#SoftTargets

(Soft target is a military term referring to unarmored/undefended targets needing to be destroyed.)

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 9
The time is here the revolution will start here in Ferg/Stl. Dont watch on Tv, hit da streets n bang on the system. Its more of us #WarMode

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 10
At Cabelas restocking on 7.62 & 9mm ammo, we ready for wateva. #RbG

(the restocking on 7.62 ammo had a pic, but they took it down. 7.62 is typically ak ammo.)

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 10
If any store owner in Ferg/Stl shoots or harms any protesters i promise your store will never open again. This is not a threat its a promise

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 15
Countdown to the St. Louis Purge has begun. Gun stores emptying out, ppl are stockpiling water, food & gas. Police mobilizing for war #Purge


RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 11
Donate your used tires to the movement. Drop them off on Wflo strip behind any biz Rebels will pick them up everyday this wk. #WarReady

(looks like tires for burning)

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 11
Why do ppl keep on asking will Ferguson burn down? They should be asking will Clayton, Ladue, or chesterfield burn down.

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 14
Im 100% sure that RbG BlackRebels have more combat experience than most of Ferg/Stl Police officers. Most of them hav never been shot at b4.

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 14
Been n more shoot outs b4 I turnt 20yrs old than a 20yr police veteran. Good or Bad, Gunplay is normal in the hood we from. We grew up #RbG

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 16
If 12 wana leave patrol cars & other equipment in your hood overnite make them pay for it. They think its a game. #Ftp

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 17
We are the Militant Resistance against this corrupt police state, that includes the national guard. #Ftp #FtNg

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 18
#Uhuru We must call on our warrior Spirits during these times of war, to keep us safe, strong & victorious. No surrender No retreat. #RbG

RbG Black Rebels @BlackRebels_Stl · Nov 18
A reporter asked me hav we been @ wal mart getting supplies for signs & gas mask, i told her no! We been @ Cabelas & Bullseye stocking up.

[heaven05]

61. I would not say

I would call the counter protestors(white power supremacists) peaceful either with their threats of applying "lethal force". You're being pretty one sided here and oh so transparent. Are you in the stl area, near ferguson. Are you in ferguson? How much terror is being spread by those promising "lethal force"? You are trying to put the onus on black people with no concern about white power people threatening "lethal force". Black power is sometimes necessary against white power. These are not national guard or police threatening this "lethal force", although I'm sure some are with those speaking out loud about applying "lethal force".

[Guaguacoa]

62. Blather on.

If you are claiming I said white protesters are all nonviolent then you are lying and I'm not putting the onus on any group. I'm just posting the tweets of a militant group that is buying ammo and threatening soft targets. I have in no way said anything supporting white people doing it. So admit you are lying.

It's just as bad for either side and supporting violence based on race is racist pure and simple. Violence is never the way. If these guys start an attack that will certainly go a long way toward getting the nation behind the protesters, you really don't get that?

No, I'm not in ferguson and I'm neither white or black, I am mexican in mexico and until you point out that us "dirty mexican's" are not allow ed to post on us related threads I WILL point out something relevant (I think) in a thread about a guy that got busted making a straw purchase 5 miles from ferguson, the same guy that has been trying to recruit people to his group in saint louis (google his name). If the mods want me to ask you before I post anything then I will, otherwise I will not.

So since I am not in the US or white you will have a hard time portraying me as part of the problem or trying to get me to hate myself because I'm white because I'm not. Go peddle your white guilt where it works. I HAVE lived in all latino areas, when I was in the us, in several states, which were all blended up against black areas and I guarantee you I know more about life in these areas than you in mommy's basement. I posted the info, don't like it then don't read it.

You are going on ignore. People that cannot discuss something without lying about what was said should be ignored.

[heaven05]

65. you created the situation

I didn't lie about anything. YOU have the problem and it's not a shocking, surprising problem. Typical. You have a skewed logic that, I repeat, belies your state of mind.

[Guaguacoa]

67. I posted facts. One post was the truth behind the arrests

and the other was posts straight from this radical group's twitter account. You lied about me somehow supporting white terrorists. You are not sane, you appear to be a crackhead or something. I did not even interject opinion into my posts except that not all appear to be non violent. You should be on stormfront, it's evident you hate us mexican's by singling me out.

I created no situation, you did by lying about what i posted.

[notadmblnd]

58. The article you linked to was in regards to the illegal purchase of fire arms, not explosives

yes the article did mention they bought explosives, which could be fire crackers for all we know, but they were not arrested for purchasing explosives.

I just thought that point should be made clear.

[U4ikLefty]

68. Acually that is not true.

They changed the article after the OP posted the thread.

They initially said it was explosives, then they changed it.

[Earth_First]

69. Even with the CBS retraction...the damage is done.

This 'information' is already out there, right or wrong and is spreading among scoundrels and racists.

The amount of hands at work who are inciting an incident is unbelievable...

[LiberalElite]

70. ABC News persists

in still reporting a bomb plot - just saw it on GMA.