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hoosierlib

(710 posts)
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 08:56 PM Nov 2014

Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis

Source: Star Tribune

Star Tribune videographer Mark Vancleave shot video of the altercation during a solidarity rally Tuesday near the Minneapolis Police’s 3rd Precinct building at Lake Street and Minnehaha Avenue S.

A vehicle plowed through a group of demonstrators in Minneapolis Tuesday afternoon during a march and rally in the wake of a Missouri grand jury decision not to indict a white police officer for fatally shooting a black teenager.

A solidarity rally and march for Michael Brown, who was killed by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, was planned Tuesday near the Minneapolis Police Department’s 3rd Precinct headquarters at Lake Street and Minnehaha Avenue S.

A Star Tribune reporter who is at the rally says that witnesses say the vehicle started honking at protesters blocking the intersection before running down a woman around the start of the rally at 4:30 p.m.

In video from KSTP’s Chopper 5, the involved vehicle goes around another stopped car and into the crowd as other vehicles go around the crowd. People appear to get on the hood of the car as it pushes its way through the crowd and it hits and appears to run over the legs of a demonstrator.

In video captured by Star Tribune videographer Mark Vancleave, what appears to be a dark-colored Subaru Outback is seen driving with a few people clinging to its hood as it pushes and then apparently runs over a victim’s leg. Protesters rush the vehicle with some people hitting its windows and windshield before it takes off.




Read more: http://m.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283891941.html



Anyone wanna guess the driver's political leanings?
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Car plows through protesters during Ferguson rally in south Minneapolis (Original Post) hoosierlib Nov 2014 OP
I have no idea Kalidurga Nov 2014 #1
If you have no idea - then 840high Nov 2014 #3
If you can't comprehend simple posts Kalidurga Nov 2014 #4
I have no use for 840high Nov 2014 #6
It's all political Kalidurga Nov 2014 #9
Happy Thanksgiving. 840high Nov 2014 #17
A bit like El Shaman Nov 2014 #31
I'm not your dear. 840high Nov 2014 #35
About 15 years ago I had sex on top of the Dallas Infomart, I guess that could have been political snooper2 Nov 2014 #75
Just wait. He or she is most likely correct. Chemisse Nov 2014 #14
Then why are you posting in this tread? n/t A Simple Game Nov 2014 #33
He was getting bored "under the bridge". n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #65
+1000 U4ikLefty Nov 2014 #90
You didn't understand the context of that post? navarth Nov 2014 #7
I'd like to see less posts from one particular poster Trajan Nov 2014 #12
You must be the hall monitor. bravenak Nov 2014 #13
Several running about on the Ferguson threads. We need schoolin', doncha know? freshwest Nov 2014 #42
They seem so elated that things went the way they wanted. bravenak Nov 2014 #46
That proves it... Subarus take a likkin' and keep on tickin'. Hoppy Nov 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #5
You mean Kalidurga Nov 2014 #11
Driver is in custody - 840high Nov 2014 #15
...but not currently under arrest. crim son Nov 2014 #18
Article secondvariety Nov 2014 #20
I said not charged yet Kalidurga Nov 2014 #21
MPD's report lists the driver as the victim who was fleeing a mob the girl he ran over azurnoir Nov 2014 #84
Thanks for update. 840high Nov 2014 #88
Within the big picture ... JEFF9K Nov 2014 #8
Yes, everything is always good for Republicans. jeff47 Nov 2014 #34
Not everything. JEFF9K Nov 2014 #59
Considering every political person involved in this terrible saga is a democrat Calista241 Nov 2014 #70
That is fucking assault with a deadly weapon navarth Nov 2014 #10
We had an irate driver plow through a "take back the night march." Luckily local cops alfredo Nov 2014 #81
It never ends... Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #16
Isn't it against the law to drive into people? nt valerief Nov 2014 #19
Yup and its also usually illegal for pedestrians to block the road so I would say that everyone cstanleytech Nov 2014 #24
Nope. Pedestrians have the right of way. Always. nt valerief Nov 2014 #26
Right of way doesnt mean right to break the law and alot of places have laws cstanleytech Nov 2014 #28
"actions that led to the incident" IDemo Nov 2014 #37
Good thing that I never said they enticed them to break the law then. nt cstanleytech Nov 2014 #40
The implication is pretty clear n/t IDemo Nov 2014 #41
*shrug* You are certainly allowed to have that opinion. cstanleytech Nov 2014 #48
There were officials there. Jamastiene Nov 2014 #69
There is no "if" as they were breaking the varies laws that pedestrians have cstanleytech Nov 2014 #74
On the interstate? snooper2 Nov 2014 #76
Pedestrians have the right of way. Usually. Xithras Nov 2014 #87
"he driver, who is male, is cooperating with police and not currently under arrest" < hope that jtuck004 Nov 2014 #22
Is George Zimmerman vacationing in Minneapolis? n/t RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #23
Perhaps. His brothers in hate are running the city. n/t jtuck004 Nov 2014 #25
This happened in Minneapolis, MN, 500 miles from Ferguson, Mo. Thor_MN Nov 2014 #29
Absolutely right. My mistake. RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #30
Growing up in St. Louis county, MN, it's been awkward keeping hearing about St. Louis county Thor_MN Nov 2014 #32
I can imagine. Rice and Hennepin, here. RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #52
I trust his Klan brothers on the police force Blue Idaho Nov 2014 #27
He can claim "Affluenzza" sylvanus Nov 2014 #89
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #36
Go away. The guy deliberately drove into a crowd of people. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #38
+1 IDemo Nov 2014 #39
I agree. cstanleytech Nov 2014 #43
Well, explain this part VScott Nov 2014 #45
I thought that too until I watched the aerial video Recursion Nov 2014 #47
I suspect he panicked when people began pounding on his car and thats why he never cstanleytech Nov 2014 #50
From the cell phone video, you can see the pounding doesn't start until after he runs over the woman Recursion Nov 2014 #51
Yes and I also see that they were on his hood before he hit her cstanleytech Nov 2014 #53
He could easily have backed away from the blocked intersection. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #55
Agree. nt cstanleytech Nov 2014 #56
I don't know about that, man. PersonNumber503602 Nov 2014 #63
Oh I agree with you, I was mainly explaining why he probably didnt cstanleytech Nov 2014 #73
On Rachel Maddow, I saw a clearer video than that. I had to look away. It was very disturbing. C Moon Nov 2014 #62
Fastest -- and easiest -- Ignore I've ever done RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #54
So you would have done the same thing, right? BeanMusical Nov 2014 #60
Video of post racial Amerika in action workinclasszero Nov 2014 #44
For anyone who, like me, was skeptical of the cell phone video (because of when it starts)... Recursion Nov 2014 #49
Totally deliberate micraphone Nov 2014 #57
Yep. geardaddy Nov 2014 #77
At the same time he drives INTO the crowd, other cars go to the left around the white car csziggy Nov 2014 #78
I know you're not yelling at me. geardaddy Nov 2014 #79
Proves he knew perfectly well what he was doing. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #66
Absolutely unbelieveable the comments on Facebook posts... Thor_MN Nov 2014 #58
There are also some unbelieveable comments in this thread, unfortunately. BeanMusical Nov 2014 #61
Assholetarian. n/t. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #64
Sick!!!! UglyGreed Nov 2014 #67
Police detained a second driver after he sped though marchers UglyGreed Nov 2014 #68
what a scumbag. blackspade Nov 2014 #71
A car running over protesters is an "altercation?" malthaussen Nov 2014 #72
Didn't the same happen at an Occupy protest last year? csziggy Nov 2014 #80
Yup this all shows what is in store for anyone workinclasszero Nov 2014 #86
Has the driver been arrested yet? Any updates? Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #82
Today's update from the Star Tribune... Aquavit Nov 2014 #83
If that car tried driving over/through a cop Jimbo S Nov 2014 #85
Driver was fleeing the "mob" question everything Nov 2014 #91

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
9. It's all political
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:07 PM
Nov 2014

every aspect of your life is about politics. It's the invisible hand that lifts you up or pushes you down. Sorry you don't get that.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
75. About 15 years ago I had sex on top of the Dallas Infomart, I guess that could have been political
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 11:58 AM
Nov 2014
LOL

navarth

(5,927 posts)
7. You didn't understand the context of that post?
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:05 PM
Nov 2014

Perhaps you should re-examine? At this moment you appear to be the one who has no idea. Please prove me wrong.

Response to hoosierlib (Original post)

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
21. I said not charged yet
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:31 PM
Nov 2014

They may have charged the driver since the last news posted, but as of yet I haven't heard that charges have been filed.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
84. MPD's report lists the driver as the victim who was fleeing a mob the girl he ran over
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:58 PM
Nov 2014

is listed as other also why she was taken to Regions needs to be explained as Regions is in St Paul and HCMC is in Mpls and much closer to the scene, both are level 1 trauma centers


The girl who was run over by the horn-blaring Subaru station wagon was taken by emergency responders to Regions Hospital for treatment of minor injuries, police said.

“The victim’s vehicle was damaged by a large group of people,” reads the report released Wednesday by police. “While [the driver] was attempting to flee from the mob, he struck a pedestrian. State accident report filed.”

The report lists the driver as a “victim” and the injured girl under the “other” category.


http://m.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283891941.html

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
34. Yes, everything is always good for Republicans.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:37 PM
Nov 2014

Massacres, plagues, wars they start. Everything is always good for Republicans.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
59. Not everything.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 01:28 AM
Nov 2014

If everything was good for the Republicans I wouldn't mention this.

Protests from the 1960s led to the success of the neocon movement.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
70. Considering every political person involved in this terrible saga is a democrat
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 08:57 AM
Nov 2014

Could it be worse if a repub was in charge?

navarth

(5,927 posts)
10. That is fucking assault with a deadly weapon
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:07 PM
Nov 2014

somebody's dumb ass should be in jail. Un fucking believable.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
81. We had an irate driver plow through a "take back the night march." Luckily local cops
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:09 PM
Nov 2014

who were there, stopped and arrested the driver.

cstanleytech

(26,286 posts)
24. Yup and its also usually illegal for pedestrians to block the road so I would say that everyone
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:39 PM
Nov 2014

involved should be charged if they broke a law and that includes anyone who blocked traffic, anyone who tried to assault the (asshole) driver and of course the asshole driver.

cstanleytech

(26,286 posts)
28. Right of way doesnt mean right to break the law and alot of places have laws
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:54 PM
Nov 2014

on the books about blocking the road or crossing at places other than designated crosswalks which are meant to for pedestrians to cross not decide to deliberately stop and hold up traffic.
So again imo everyone should be held accountable for their actions that led to the incident from the pedestrians if they broke a law to the driver.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
37. "actions that led to the incident"
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:14 PM
Nov 2014

You know, placing oneself in a roadway, while admittedly an inconvenience to motorists, does not really add up to enticing drivers to put the petal to the metal.

cstanleytech

(26,286 posts)
48. *shrug* You are certainly allowed to have that opinion.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:02 AM
Nov 2014

Just like I am allowed to have my opinion which is that the driver should be charged and the pedestrians including the women should also be charged if they broke laws as well.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
69. There were officials there.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 08:09 AM
Nov 2014

Many were wearing the bright green vests to show who they were. If those protestors were breaking a law, as peaceful as they were until attacked, they would have been arrested already. That wasn't a violent crowd until they were attacked by the person plowing through them and running over them. People have a right to protest. Usually, when you see unarmed officials there, it means they either got the required permits or permission to protest there. So, no, they were most likely not breaking the law by protesting there.

cstanleytech

(26,286 posts)
74. There is no "if" as they were breaking the varies laws that pedestrians have
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 11:30 AM
Nov 2014

there that they are supposed to obey https://www.revisor.mn.gov/data/revisor/statutes/2005/169/21.html

Thats not to say the guy in the car is right though because he wasnt and he should be held accountable fully and by fully I mean they should imo atleast consider seeking attempted murder charges on him.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
87. Pedestrians have the right of way. Usually.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 06:06 PM
Nov 2014

In California, for instance, pedestrians only have an absolute right of way within a marked or unmarked crosswalk. There is no pedestrian right of way mid-block. California law also only extends that right of way when the road can be crossed safely (i.e., there is no pedestrian right of way if you run into the roadway), explicitly removes their right of pedestrians to walk in bike and traffic lanes if sidewalks are available, and rescinds the pedestrian right of way completely if it is abused to deliberately impede traffic. Our law also removes the pedestrian right of way if there is an alternate way of crossing the roadway (a pedestrian tunnel or bridge).

It's more accurate to say "Pedestrians have the right of the way. Often."

Now ask me how many jaywalking tickets I've had in my life. Or how many drivers walked without so much as a citation after hitting me with their cars as I rode my skateboard when I was a teenager. The only one who was ever arrested was the drunk guy, and he was arrested for being dunk, and was never even charged for hitting me

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
22. "he driver, who is male, is cooperating with police and not currently under arrest" < hope that
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:35 PM
Nov 2014

changed. Nut like that may go home and get another weapon and come back - or just start killing at random.

If they don't, I suspect anyone he hurts for the next little while would have a tremendous case against the city.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
30. Absolutely right. My mistake.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:16 PM
Nov 2014

As a former Minnesota resident, I should definitely know the difference. Thanks for pointing out my error. I was thinking Minneapolis but apparently had Ferguson on the brain.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
32. Growing up in St. Louis county, MN, it's been awkward keeping hearing about St. Louis county
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 10:19 PM
Nov 2014

this, St. Louis county that...

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
52. I can imagine. Rice and Hennepin, here.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:26 AM
Nov 2014

In fact, based on the description, I lived just a few blocks away from this afternoon's protest once upon a time.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
27. I trust his Klan brothers on the police force
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 09:44 PM
Nov 2014

Will take care of this little problem for him. No need to bog down the courts with this obvious minor traffic infraction.

Response to hoosierlib (Original post)

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
38. Go away. The guy deliberately drove into a crowd of people.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:18 PM
Nov 2014

With your reference to people protesting the lack of an indictment against Officer Wilson as "assholes," I suspect you are in the wrong place.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
39. +1
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:26 PM
Nov 2014

How much plainer can assholery get than stepping on the gas when a human being(s) is in front of your vehicle?

cstanleytech

(26,286 posts)
43. I agree.
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:33 PM
Nov 2014

It does not matter if he meant to hit them or if he just meant to try and force them out of his way he should still be charged as he broke the law and no one should be allowed to break the law and get away with it.

 

VScott

(774 posts)
45. Well, explain this part
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:40 PM
Nov 2014
People appear to get on the hood of the car as it pushes its way through the crowd and it hits and appears to run over the legs of a demonstrator.


The video doesn't show what proceeded the event.
What it does show is a woman with a camera on the hood, and a blanket or tarp partially obstructing the windshield.
Did the driver even see the woman he ran over?

Whom is more to blame?
The driver or the protesters for creating the situation.?

And what about the crowd response?

It's all very reminiscent of the NYC freeway motorcyclist incident (and response), where the alleged "victim" is
responsible for their actions.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
47. I thought that too until I watched the aerial video
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:00 AM
Nov 2014


The car does not stop at any point. That makes a huge difference.

If a car has stopped and people jump on the hood, a lot can be attributed to driver fear.

If a car keeps pushing into a crowd, the "jumping on the hood" becomes "trying to protect people in front of the car".

cstanleytech

(26,286 posts)
50. I suspect he panicked when people began pounding on his car and thats why he never
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:15 AM
Nov 2014

came to a complete stop.
That however is immaterial as he clearly shouldnt have even tried to force his way through the crowd in the first place so for hitting that person he should be charged with atleast reckless endangerment if not attempted murder.

cstanleytech

(26,286 posts)
53. Yes and I also see that they were on his hood before he hit her
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:27 AM
Nov 2014

but if he panicked or didnt panic what matters is he should not have tried to force his way through so he clearly broke the law or atleast he did imo.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
55. He could easily have backed away from the blocked intersection.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:31 AM
Nov 2014

There were no people or vehicles directly behind him.

Instead, he chose to drive into a crowd of people.

He needs to be charged with vehicular assault or something.

PersonNumber503602

(1,134 posts)
63. I don't know about that, man.
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 03:52 AM
Nov 2014

He made a conscious decision to drive straight into the crowd of protesters. This isn't like they surrounded him and then he panicked. He had complete control of the situation that lead up to him driving into a crowd of people.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
54. Fastest -- and easiest -- Ignore I've ever done
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:31 AM
Nov 2014

Carry on. I won't have to read what you write.
Then, I can at least pretend that there aren't people on DU as heartless as you appear to be.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
49. For anyone who, like me, was skeptical of the cell phone video (because of when it starts)...
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:03 AM
Nov 2014

... watch the aerial video, which shows the car never stopping at any point.

micraphone

(334 posts)
57. Totally deliberate
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:42 AM
Nov 2014

At the start of the video, you clearly see this moran driving around a stationary car to hit the protesters.

Book, meet driver.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
78. At the same time he drives INTO the crowd, other cars go to the left around the white car
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 01:24 PM
Nov 2014

And those cars get through the intersection WITHOUT HITTING ANYONE!

This driver is definitely guilty of vehicular assault. He could have gone to the left and avoided the people. He deliberately went to the right to the thickest part of the crowd and NEVER stopped, even AFTER he had two people on his hood and another UNDER his car. In fact, he almost drove over other people who were trying to stop the car - they were just faster at dodging his murderous intent than the woman in red who ended up under his car.

I'm not yelling at you, geardaddy. The "yelling" is at the idiot in the car that drove into the crowd and at the cops who have not charged him - yet.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
58. Absolutely unbelieveable the comments on Facebook posts...
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:44 AM
Nov 2014

I've never felt this discouraged and disappointed in humans...

And I spent nine hours today gathering food donations at one of 4 sites that collectively gathered 1.4 million pounds of food in 12 hours in the Twin Cities, less than 20 miles from where this happened.

I have the feeling that Thanksgiving is going to be extra tense in a lot of homes...

malthaussen

(17,193 posts)
72. A car running over protesters is an "altercation?"
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 11:15 AM
Nov 2014

I need to update my dictionary to include News-speak.

-- Mal

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
86. Yup this all shows what is in store for anyone
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 06:05 PM
Nov 2014

that opposes the white rich wall street vulture capitalists that are destroying this country.

Aquavit

(488 posts)
83. Today's update from the Star Tribune...
Wed Nov 26, 2014, 02:52 PM
Nov 2014

According to Minneapolis police, the driver was trying to "flee the mob." Meanwhile, his mother said he "had no idea what was going on." The official report labels the driver as the victim, while the actual victim who got run over was declared "other."

It absolutely stuns me that no charges have yet been filed. What a hideously botched response to an unbelievable situation. The comments in the story below make me ashamed to say I'm from Minnesota, too...

http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283973831.html

question everything

(47,474 posts)
91. Driver was fleeing the "mob"
Thu Nov 27, 2014, 11:30 AM
Nov 2014
http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/283973831.html

The driver who lurched into a south Minneapolis intersection packed with protesters Tuesday was “attempting to flee from the mob” when he ran into and slightly injured a 16-year-old girl as others perched on the hood of his car, police said Wednesday.

His mother said in an interview that Rice was coming home from work and “didn’t even know what was going on” when he encountered the group of several hundred people. The protestors were blocking the intersection as part of a day of demonstrations over Monday’s grand jury decision on the Ferguson, Mo., police shooting.

The girl who was run over by the horn-blaring Subaru station wagon was taken by emergency responders to Regions Hospital for minor injuries.

“The victim’s vehicle was damaged by a large group of people,” said the report released early Wednesday by police. “While [the driver] was attempting to flee from the mob, he struck a pedestrian. State accident report filed.”

Rice’s driving history in Minnesota includes three drunken driving convictions, with the most recent coming in 2003, according to court records. He’s also been convicted of driving with an open liquor bottle, and driving after his license was canceled and in violation of restrictions placed on his license. The most recent of these convictions came in early 2008...State officials said Rice has a valid driver’s license... Soon after leaving the intersection, Rice pulled over and called 911


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