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obnoxiousdrunk

(2,908 posts)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:29 PM Dec 2014

Judge declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional

Source: Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama's new plan to ease the threat of deportation for 4.7 million undocumented immigrants violates the U.S. Constitution, a federal judge found on Tuesday, handing down the first legal ruling against the plan.

The ruling has no immediate impact, with the government saying there was no reason for Judge Arthur Schwab of the Western District of Pennsylvania to address the issue in the case, which concerns 42-year-old Honduran immigrant Elionardo Juarez-Escobar.

Schwab is the first judge to rule on the legality of the plan Obama announced on Nov. 20. The executive action by the Democratic president is opposed by Republicans and is already subject to other legal challenges.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/judge-declares-obama-immigration-action-unconstitutional-204446914.html

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Judge declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional (Original Post) obnoxiousdrunk Dec 2014 OP
Appointed by George W Bush Sanity Claws Dec 2014 #1
He ruled on something that was not even a question before him. AlbertCat Dec 2014 #4
... William769 Dec 2014 #6
Dicta. Ms. Toad Dec 2014 #7
Reprobates are generally stupid at their core. GeorgeGist Dec 2014 #16
"The ruling has no immediate impact, ...." Botany Dec 2014 #17
humm... let's guess what political party this judge runs with... n/t orleans Dec 2014 #2
It may not have any immediate impact, but it sets an unpleasant precedent. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2014 #3
The Federalist Society edhopper Dec 2014 #5
Now a precedent is set that has to be overturned elsewhere. AlbertCat Dec 2014 #9
You don't think edhopper Dec 2014 #10
they will cite this in other cases? AlbertCat Dec 2014 #18
I think edhopper Dec 2014 #20
Opinions that aren't central to the holding of the case creeksneakers2 Dec 2014 #24
But Reagan's executive order affecting 3 million was constitutional? sinkingfeeling Dec 2014 #8
end result would be must worse for republicans PatrynXX Dec 2014 #11
In North Carolina, a court found "Reasonable mistakes of law by police do not violate the Fourth Agnosticsherbet Dec 2014 #12
Another BAD headline (not yours, Reuters')! He didn't "declare" it unconsitutional, he was just... George II Dec 2014 #13
This makes people afraid to register for any plan. Sunlei Dec 2014 #14
case is here steve2470 Dec 2014 #15
It's going to be a long next two years at least...... a kennedy Dec 2014 #19
Now we know why the Fascists in the House and Senate try to stop Obama from having any Judges geretogo Dec 2014 #21
Another bad headline. No such thing occurred. PSPS Dec 2014 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author hopemountain Dec 2014 #23
 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
4. He ruled on something that was not even a question before him.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:39 PM
Dec 2014

Then how is it a "rule"?


Seems more like just a "declaration".... until he's on the case.


He "found" it?


"Schwab says he ruled on the executive action issue because he concluded that Juarez-Escobar could be eligible for relief under the executive action.

Government lawyers told Schwab that Juarez-Escobar, who has pleaded guilty to re-entering the country, was not eligible because Obama's order does not affect criminal proceedings."


What does any of Schwab's "ruling" even mean?

Nothing.

Ms. Toad

(33,975 posts)
7. Dicta.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:45 PM
Dec 2014

Means nothing, but others will quote it. Some will properly note it was dicta - others will not.

Botany

(70,422 posts)
17. "The ruling has no immediate impact, ...."
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:52 PM
Dec 2014


But under the "Fox News Legal Team" this will be promoted as a stunning defeat for
the President.

Republicans when the facts are not on your side just make up "new facts" and rinse,
lather, and repeat.

edhopper

(33,432 posts)
5. The Federalist Society
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:43 PM
Dec 2014

got to him so they could use the ruling for more action against Obama.

Now a precedent is set that has to be overturned elsewhere.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
9. Now a precedent is set that has to be overturned elsewhere.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:52 PM
Dec 2014

It already has been shown to be irrelevant.

I repeat:

"Schwab says he ruled on the executive action issue because he concluded that Juarez-Escobar could be eligible for relief under the executive action.

Government lawyers told Schwab that Juarez-Escobar, who has pleaded guilty to re-entering the country, was not eligible because Obama's order does not affect criminal proceedings."




Seems like the judge simply doesn't know what the exec action he's "found" unconstitutional even says.

edhopper

(33,432 posts)
10. You don't think
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 05:55 PM
Dec 2014

they will cite this in other cases?

The part about it not having a reason is the governments opinion, not a legal ruling.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
11. end result would be must worse for republicans
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:02 PM
Dec 2014

Obama is rather smart here I think. If the republicans get whoever to say this is unconstitutional. does that mean that according to the Republicans we have to enforce the law all the way back whatever it was before Regan? That could shatter our economy to nothing. totally destroy our tax base. And who's holding the bag when this bomb goes off? Elephants O_O Republicans who until 2008 courted Hispanics/Latino's don't want to have any part of this... Totally suicidal

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
12. In North Carolina, a court found "Reasonable mistakes of law by police do not violate the Fourth
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:16 PM
Dec 2014
Amendment." Clearly, a judge with his head up his ass can rule on anything he wants to.

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Another BAD headline (not yours, Reuters')! He didn't "declare" it unconsitutional, he was just...
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:16 PM
Dec 2014

...."ruling" in another case which had nothing to do with the substance of the executive action.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
14. This makes people afraid to register for any plan.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 06:19 PM
Dec 2014

I think everyone who needs 'papers' should buy Cuban citizenship and then touch dry land in the USA.

That is an instant 'safe' and uses the laws of the land today. Cuba could make a big political statement, help a lot of people out.

Raúl Castro would make the global history books as a hero

a kennedy

(29,602 posts)
19. It's going to be a long next two years at least......
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:17 PM
Dec 2014

I haven't watched ANY talking heads, news reports, C-SPIN anything related to our government, politics, ANYTHING, and I'm having a wonderful time. My blood pressure is fine, no more headaches and I'm getting along with my husband again. I feel great.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
21. Now we know why the Fascists in the House and Senate try to stop Obama from having any Judges
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:46 PM
Dec 2014

appointed to any court . They need to keep the corrupt political hack judges Bush installed to push
their Tyranny over the People .

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