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christx30

(6,241 posts)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 04:55 PM Dec 2014

Missouri Rep Pushes Bill Requiring Father’s Signature For Abortion Except In Cases Of ‘Legitimate Ra

Source: CBS St. Louis

ST. LOUIS, Mo. (CBS ST. LOUIS) – A GOP lawmaker in Missouri introduced a bill that requires pregnant women to receive written consent from the father of the child before an abortion can be performed – or in exceptional cases of “legitimate rape.”

State Representative Rick Brattin, a Republican from outside Kansas City, filed the bill on Dec. 3 that proposes, “No abortion shall be performed or induced unless and until the father of the unborn child provides written, notarized consent to the abortion.”

Read more: http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/12/17/missouri-rep-pushes-bill-requiring-fathers-signature-for-abortion-except-in-cases-of-legitimate-rape/



Another 'legitimate rape' wacko.
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Missouri Rep Pushes Bill Requiring Father’s Signature For Abortion Except In Cases Of ‘Legitimate Ra (Original Post) christx30 Dec 2014 OP
wintfh? noiretextatique Dec 2014 #1
Yeah, like the Yukon and Northwest Territories. George II Dec 2014 #19
Not there please, because.......... mrmpa Dec 2014 #20
Give them some islands to make their hell on earth csziggy Dec 2014 #27
I like it! noiretextatique Dec 2014 #43
+2 nomorenomore08 Dec 2014 #47
WTF?! sakabatou Dec 2014 #2
Take it from me:Void for vagueness. Manifestor_of_Light Dec 2014 #3
Got a legal definition of 'legitimate rape' in there? Downwinder Dec 2014 #4
Exactly, What the heck is a legitimate rape? pangaia Dec 2014 #10
According to one guy I know leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #11
I think you might want to consider 'unknowing' him. pangaia Dec 2014 #14
Boy, Howdy. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #15
Yikes. pangaia Dec 2014 #28
As in, the woman is telling the truth christx30 Dec 2014 #26
how can you prove you were raped? I think you, Rep.Brattin, are a clueless moran as proven by this. uppityperson Dec 2014 #5
Especially since most rapes go unreported, christx30 Dec 2014 #8
I read that the woman has to pay for the hospital exam. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #17
Mr. Brittan: Go pack to your RW pulpit, you wanna-be Theocrat! blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #6
So Daddy has to sign except for legitimate rape? At least three of the abortions I know about were jwirr Dec 2014 #7
it's father of the child not the woman's daddy belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #16
In some cases the woman's daddy is her child's father. nt historylovr Dec 2014 #30
Exactly. jwirr Dec 2014 #40
In cases like that, the provider christx30 Dec 2014 #41
A horrendous flip side is daddy forcing the girl to have an abortion loyalsister Dec 2014 #32
What a stupid bill. I hope it doesn't pass. Louisiana1976 Dec 2014 #9
That has to be rural Missouri. n/t leftyladyfrommo Dec 2014 #13
I hope this passes. Here's why: TygrBright Dec 2014 #12
Vague and also undue burden SpankMe Dec 2014 #18
Another intersection with PLers loyalsister Dec 2014 #33
In Todd Akin's home state. nt alp227 Dec 2014 #21
consent or pay child support greymattermom Dec 2014 #22
Has anybody seen a legal definition of ,,, Cryptoad Dec 2014 #23
Broken bones and black eyes, by a stranger. And even then... Hekate Dec 2014 #25
First I ever heard of it was an attempt to separate Yupster Dec 2014 #46
......Because women are chattel . Makes sense that we can't decide these matters ourselves. Hekate Dec 2014 #24
Casey v Planned Parenthood Freddie Dec 2014 #29
And here we are in a later millennium loyalsister Dec 2014 #34
At least there's legal precedence Freddie Dec 2014 #35
Brattin is an evil, misogynistic douchebag. SunSeeker Dec 2014 #31
I will stand outside abortion clinics signing docs saying I'm the father Taitertots Dec 2014 #36
For you: Brigid Dec 2014 #45
Has anyone questioned if this guy kentauros Dec 2014 #37
More proof that there **IS** a difference between Democrats and Republicans. baldguy Dec 2014 #38
Excuse me but how will they determine who is the father of the fetus? yellowcanine Dec 2014 #39
wow - he's sayin that he had to get spouse's signature to get vasectomy Liberal_in_LA Dec 2014 #42
He had a vasectomy - LiberalElite Dec 2014 #44

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
20. Not there please, because..........
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:56 PM
Dec 2014

they've created their own hell & if we transport them north, they'll just add fire to climate change.

csziggy

(34,119 posts)
27. Give them some islands to make their hell on earth
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:39 PM
Dec 2014

Since they don't believe in climate change, they can't be concerned about rising ocean levels, so they can happily set up their fundamentalist paradise and establish their own rules.

When the oceans rise, we can wave bye bye as they slip beneath the swells.

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
3. Take it from me:Void for vagueness.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:01 PM
Dec 2014

A lot of laws are thrown out for that reason.

What if the daddy wants an abortion and the mother doesn't? Even if they are married? You never hear about that.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
10. Exactly, What the heck is a legitimate rape?
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:13 PM
Dec 2014

What is an illegitimate rape?

Who thinks up these terms?

I know, some wacko RWer...

leftyladyfrommo

(18,815 posts)
11. According to one guy I know
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:22 PM
Dec 2014

legitimate rape is only if you get the shit beat out of you.

Anything else doesn't really count.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,815 posts)
15. Boy, Howdy.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:25 PM
Dec 2014

He was the husband of a woman I worked with. He worked as Head of Security for Wards. And he really believed this.

I think he even called it legitimate rape.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
26. As in, the woman is telling the truth
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:36 PM
Dec 2014

that she was raped. So if you get pregnant, it must mean that you wanted the sex, therefore, it wasn't rape. Isn't that special?
But on this case, it's just that you have to actually be raped to get an abortion. You have to file a police report, get a rape kit done, get pregnant after the rape, and the burden is on you to prove that it was rape. If all of the above happens, then and only then can you have it done.

uppityperson

(115,674 posts)
5. how can you prove you were raped? I think you, Rep.Brattin, are a clueless moran as proven by this.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:04 PM
Dec 2014
I’m just saying if there was a legitimate rape, you’re going to make a police report, just as if you were robbed,” Brattin says.
“That’s just common sense.” Under his bill, he notes, “you have to take steps to show that you were raped…And I’d think you’d be able to prove that.”

christx30

(6,241 posts)
8. Especially since most rapes go unreported,
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:09 PM
Dec 2014

and there are thousands of untested rape kits. Backdoor ban, no doubt about it.

Might as well pass some abortion clinic regulations that say a unicorn or a centaur must be employed as a security guard.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,815 posts)
17. I read that the woman has to pay for the hospital exam.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:27 PM
Dec 2014

It's something like $1,000. Lots of women can't afford this so they just don't do it.

I don't have figures on where this may true.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
7. So Daddy has to sign except for legitimate rape? At least three of the abortions I know about were
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:07 PM
Dec 2014

incest. And it was Daddy who took them to get their abortions and paid for them.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
41. In cases like that, the provider
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 12:36 PM
Dec 2014

needs to contact the police and have the father arrested for molestation.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
32. A horrendous flip side is daddy forcing the girl to have an abortion
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:53 AM
Dec 2014

Or, if daddy admits to fatherhood in order for her to have the abortion, is he then subject to prosecution? On the other hand if the girl has the baby she delivers evidence of daddy's crime. How angry might daddy be about this catch 22?

They simply don't care what kind of danger she could be in.

TygrBright

(20,733 posts)
12. I hope this passes. Here's why:
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:22 PM
Dec 2014

It will be challenged, legally.

And overturned.

The state will appeal.

I eventually want the Supreme Court to have to deal with a crappily-written attempt to deprive women of control over their own bodies, because with something this badly-written, they'd have no choice but to overturn it, and there's a precedent.

With that asshole Roberts' name on it.

vindictively,
Bright

SpankMe

(2,937 posts)
18. Vague and also undue burden
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 05:37 PM
Dec 2014

What if she's had multiple partners and doesn't know who the father is?

What if she got pregnant during a one night stand and the father is long gone?

What if the father doesn't provide consent? She's forced to take a pregnancy to full term because some schmuck is being an asshole?

Women don't get pregnant. Men get women pregnant. "Don't worry, baby, I'll pull out in time." "Don't worry, baby, I've had a vasectomy."

Women in some cases don't have full control over whether or not they get pregnant. So, they should have absolute control over whether or not they bring a pregnancy to term.

Activist anti-abortionists are pure, nauseating assholes. I can respect the pro-life perspective to the extent that - if you're opposed to abortion, then don't have one. And impart that as a personal, moral value throughout your family.

But when you reach out into the statutory space that affects all of society's ability to control every aspect of their own family planning - up to and including the RIGHT to terminate an unwanted pregnancy - then you're an imperialistic, arrogant, hypocritical, selfish, pompous, holier-than-thou asshat.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
33. Another intersection with PLers
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:57 AM
Dec 2014

No woman\girl should be forced to have an abortion. The parental and daddy signature policies set up that flip side potential.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
22. consent or pay child support
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:18 PM
Dec 2014

RIght? Genetic testing can easily establish parenthood. Non consenting genetic fathers should owe child support. So, it's up to the father to make sure that the woman does not get pregnant. Or am I reading this wrong?

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
25. Broken bones and black eyes, by a stranger. And even then...
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:51 PM
Dec 2014

....the woman has to show she was not dressing provocatively or walking down a dark street, or having an alcoholic beverage in a bar.

I remember those days.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
46. First I ever heard of it was an attempt to separate
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:18 AM
Dec 2014

statutory rape from "legitimate rape."

It was a backlash against 17 year olds getting labeled sex offenders for life for having sex with their 15 year old girlfriends. Since Todd Akin, it's now considered ridiculous, so it doesn't matter what the original thinking behind it was.

Hekate

(90,189 posts)
24. ......Because women are chattel . Makes sense that we can't decide these matters ourselves.
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:48 PM
Dec 2014

Rick Brattin, the Taliban is on the line for you!

Freddie

(9,231 posts)
29. Casey v Planned Parenthood
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 09:18 PM
Dec 2014

This was the abortion restrictions attempted in PA by the late Gov. Casey (father of Sen. Bob Casey) in 1992 that went to SCOTUS and gave us the "undue burden" standard. One part of the law that was thrown out was a requirement that a married woman have her husband's permission. Even 22 years ago most people said "what century are we in again?!" to that one.

Freddie

(9,231 posts)
35. At least there's legal precedence
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:43 AM
Dec 2014

In Casey, SCOTUS allowed parental notification to stand, reasoning that a parent had rights over their minor child, but threw out the husband-notification part on grounds of 1 adult having no authority over another. Of course given today's reactionary and misogynistic Court, who knows.

SunSeeker

(51,367 posts)
31. Brattin is an evil, misogynistic douchebag.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 02:56 AM
Dec 2014

Even if conceived in a happy marriage, it is the woman's body and HER business.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
36. I will stand outside abortion clinics signing docs saying I'm the father
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:03 AM
Dec 2014

After all, they arnt going to do a paternity test.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
37. Has anyone questioned if this guy
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:17 AM
Dec 2014

is a legitimate legislator? Oh to be a TV interviewer of him!

"Sir, there is some question being brought up as to whether you have a legitimate brain between your ears. Care to comment on this supposition?"

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
38. More proof that there **IS** a difference between Democrats and Republicans.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:50 AM
Dec 2014

Anyone who says otherwise is full of shit.

yellowcanine

(35,692 posts)
39. Excuse me but how will they determine who is the father of the fetus?
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:57 AM
Dec 2014

Not without an amniocentesis. Yeah that's a marvelous idea.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
42. wow - he's sayin that he had to get spouse's signature to get vasectomy
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:42 PM
Dec 2014

Brattin says that a vasectomy procedure he had himself is part of the inspiration for the bill.

“When a man goes in for that procedure—at least in the state of Missouri—you have to have a consent form from your spouse in order to have that procedure done,” he told MoJo. “Here I was getting a normal procedure that has nothing to do with another human being’s life, and I needed to get a signed form … But on ending a life, you don’t. I think that’s pretty twisted.”

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