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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:17 AM Dec 2014

Colombia FARC rebels declare indefinite unilateral truce

Source: BBC

Colombia's Farc rebels have declared a unilateral ceasefire for an indefinite period, starting from Saturday.

The leftist rebels said the truce should become a formal armistice and would only end if they were attacked.

The announcement was made in Cuba, where the FARC has been holding peace talks with the Colombian government.

President Juan Manuel Santos has so far refused to suspend military action, saying the rebels would use a bilateral truce to rearm and regroup.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-30525871

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COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
3. So has FARC. This is just one more example
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:44 AM
Dec 2014

of 'rinse, lather and repeat'. They'll take advantage of the cease in hostilities to regroup and re-arm and will then return to kidnapping and killing (as they have in at least two 'cessation of hostilities' in the past). It's their only stock in trade.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
5. So has the Government of Columbia, so what else is new?
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:14 PM
Dec 2014

This is typical of most truces, they are used by both sides to build up their resources.

As to killing that is part of any conflict (look at WWII, Korean, Vietnam, etc). As to Kidnapping that has always been a source of income. During the Middle Ages Knights were kept alive till their were Ransomed (while regular soldiers were just killed, for they was no hope of Ransom for them).

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
6. So, what you're saying is that I'm right
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:19 PM
Dec 2014

but that since historically other people at other times have done those same things then....???

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
10. One Historican comment on war summed this up nicley
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 07:06 PM
Dec 2014

Countries go to war and continue to fight till they go bankrupt, then they sign a peace treaty. Wars where one side wins, like in WWII, are rare in history and mostly a story of someone make a bad mistake.

The classic example of a bad mistake was WWII, Hitler was having problems within Germany by 1938, the Pope (Pius IX) had smuggled a letter to the Catholics of Germany saying Hitler could NOT be trusted. The same Pope came out against the discrimination against the Jews that the Nazis supported. Inflation was up, and wages were at 2/3rds of what they had been ten years before. Thus Hitler had to go to war to keep in power. As the group of Generals who tried to remove him in 1938 said to each other in 1940, Hitler was then a hero and you can NOT overthrow a hero so all plans to overthrow Hitler was stopped.

Thus Hitler went to war when his Generals were telling him Germany would not be ready till 1944. Hitler won for his enemies were even less prepared then Germany had been. Britain was surpassing Germany in production of Weapons by 1941. That was one of the reasons any attack on Britain become impossible after 1940, Britain had become to strong. At the same time the internal problems within Germany remained, so Hitler attacked Russia in July 1941. The German High Command thought they were lose and lose badly but Hitler ordered the attack.

Stalin was the reason Hitler did so well. Stalin had purged the Officer corp, includings its best commanders in 1938. This was NOT resolved till December 1941 when Stalin finally put those officers he had sent to Siberia and not killed back in charge of the Russian Army. Those Officers won the Battle of Moscow and the Battle of Stalingrad the next year. Once the Soviet Red Army had its act together, it was a slow but steady crawl to Berlin. By 1943 the German Generals were asking Hitler to work out a deal, but he refused and kept on firing those Generals. Germany by 1943 had to make a deal with some one, either Stalin or FDR (Churchill was just side actor by that time). Hitler had to give Stalin or FDR whatever they wanted, but Hitler could not do so, thus the war ended with Germany Divided between the two sides Hitler did not want to deal with.

As I said above WWII was the exception, WWI is more the norm. Both sides were under tremendous strains by 1918. Churchill in 1938 said that both sides would have signed a peace treaty by the end of 1917 if Wilson had NOT entered the war, for both sides were on the edge of collapse. People remember the Russian Revolution, but ignore that Germany had a similar Revolution in 1918, but that revolution was suppressed by the troops released to go home by the armistice. Hungary and the rest of Eastern Europe had similar Communist revolts, as did France. Britain had massive strikes going on inside England (and lets not bring up the growing problem of Ireland at that time period). The US was NOT that much better off, the 1919 Steel Strike was just massive and suppressed with violence as were the coal strikes of the same time period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_strike_of_1919

The Pennsylvania state police clubbed picketers, dragged strikers from their homes and jailed thousands on flimsy charges. In Delaware, company guards were deputized and threw 100 strikers in jail on fake weapons charges. In Monessen, Pennsylvania, hundreds of men were jailed then were promised release if they agreed to disavow the union and return to work. After strikebreakers and police clashed with unionists in Gary, Indiana, the U.S. Army took over the city on October 6, 1919, and martial law was declared. National guardsmen, leaving Gary after federal troops had taken over, turned their anger on strikers in nearby Indiana Harbor, Indiana.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Red_Scare

The end of WWI is more the norm for the end of a long war. Look at what happened to the Soviet Union in the late 1980s, they were bankrupt and ended up with many of the same problems seen world wide in 1917-1920. Strikes, protests, revolts etc.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
7. You do realize that the FARC and the government are engaged in peace negotiations?
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:29 PM
Dec 2014

Aimed at settling the long-running conflict.

Let's hope your one-sided cynicism is misplaced.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
8. After seeing how FARC has cynically misused two prior
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 05:31 PM
Dec 2014

'peace negotiations' I have little doubt that they will do the same this time around. Fool me once...

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
9. The FARC aren't the only players in this. It requires a government that negotiates in good faith.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:08 PM
Dec 2014

Maybe Colombia has one now.

At least the mass murdering Uribe is gone.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
2. Wow, some really good news from that area.
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 07:47 AM
Dec 2014

Everyone is talking about Cuba, but this is much more significant for the Colombian people than anything announced yesterday is for Cubans.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
4. They are about two years into serious peace negotiations...
Thu Dec 18, 2014, 01:22 PM
Dec 2014

...to end the Western hemisphere's longest running civil war.

Let's see if the US-backed Colombian military leaves them alone.

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