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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:45 PM Jan 2015

NFL reportedly admits messing up call when Cowboys held Ndamukong Suh

Source: Washington Post

Mistakes were made. That seems to be the growing theme of Sunday night’s wild-card playoff bout between the Dallas Cowboys and the Detroit Lions. Along with a much disputed retracted flag on the Cowboys that looked to be clear pass interference against Dallas, the NFL also missed a Cowboys holding call on Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. Dallas benefited from both non-calls, but at least the NFL has reportedly admitted the referees were wrong about the latter. ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported the news via a short post on Facebook.

“NFL admitted to Lions today that officials missed a hold on Ndamukong Suh on the 4th-down conversion from Tony Romo to Jason Witten with 6 minutes left in the game (after the controversial Brandob Pettigrew play and before the Dallas TD).”

Had holding been correctly called, it would have put Cowboys in 4th and 16 on Detroit side of the field. Dallas would have punted and Detroit still would have the lead. One person said that this is “even worse than the PI call/no call.”

The non-call on the 21-yard pass allowed Dallas to advance to a new set of downs, which the team later converted into the go-ahead touchdown with under 3 minutes on the clock. Had the call been made, the Cowboys would’ve been backed up to fourth-and-16, which would’ve likely stopped the scoring drive and sent Dallas’ punter on the field instead.

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NFL reportedly admits messing up call when Cowboys held Ndamukong Suh (Original Post) kpete Jan 2015 OP
Those were some big time missed calls which very well affected the game. GGJohn Jan 2015 #1
Those calls make it hard to avoid concluding that, in some way, Ken Burch Jan 2015 #4
i have to agree frylock Jan 2015 #7
I can't argue with you there, GGJohn Jan 2015 #12
sure looked that way. cowboys on tv means big ratings. Doctor_J Jan 2015 #24
And there was the non-call on Dez Bryant charging unto the field . . . brush Jan 2015 #33
Should we come right out and say... Ken Burch Jan 2015 #35
Hadn't thought of that angle. brush Jan 2015 #38
I also had the feeling that the league, for some reason, didn't want the Rams winning the Super Bowl Ken Burch Jan 2015 #39
It is not about racism, it is about ratings. Drahthaardogs Jan 2015 #48
Suh should have been suspended from playing in the game undeterred Jan 2015 #2
Cut the guy some slack. His feet were freezing. Chakab Jan 2015 #5
So he was warming his feet up on Rodgers injured calf? undeterred Jan 2015 #6
I don't know about you, but nothing warms my feet up faster than stomping on the nearest person. Chakab Jan 2015 #8
Well whoopie doo navarth Jan 2015 #3
Lions got screwed, navarth. Suich Jan 2015 #9
I'm sorry we're not coming too, thanks. navarth Jan 2015 #17
You WERE on a roll. Ken Burch Jan 2015 #36
Lions were gifted a fumble in the last 2 minutes of the game and did nothing. SolutionisSolidarity Jan 2015 #10
again horse shit navarth Jan 2015 #15
BS. Suh should not have been playing. former9thward Jan 2015 #30
More hyperbole navarth Jan 2015 #40
You are right, hyperbole. former9thward Jan 2015 #45
no worries navarth Jan 2015 #46
"Home Cooking" is what Warren Sapp tweeted.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #21
Appreciate that, mountain grammy. navarth Jan 2015 #41
IMO it wasn't incompetence or cowardice. brush Jan 2015 #37
Been a Lions fan since 1962, when I turned 11. Faygo Kid Jan 2015 #11
Wow that's longer than me, Faygo. navarth Jan 2015 #18
Sounds like the check from Jerry Jones cleared. MrScorpio Jan 2015 #13
Could it be that having the Dallas Cowboys moving on in the playoffs is more profitable.... George II Jan 2015 #14
It's all too easy to indulge in conspiracy theory on this one but navarth Jan 2015 #16
suh has a bad habit of stomping on green bay players, piece of crap isn't worth the liability whereisjustice Jan 2015 #19
Oh well. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #20
choke job? navarth Jan 2015 #23
Detroit had no momentum in the 2nd half. Lobo27 Jan 2015 #34
Momentum comes and goes. It was in our favor when it was stolen. navarth Jan 2015 #42
You may as well bet on The Wizard Jan 2015 #22
Too little, too late davidpdx Jan 2015 #25
The Refs Didn't Get The Memo: 1step Jan 2015 #26
Suh shouldn't even have been playing in that game Drale Jan 2015 #27
He didn't fool anybody. navarth Jan 2015 #43
Change instant replay rules 1Greensix Jan 2015 #28
It was fixed. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #29
Gag and puke cilla4progress Jan 2015 #32
When obvious calls like that are missed by well paid Lint Head Jan 2015 #31
This will guarantee that the CowBoys randr Jan 2015 #44
I hate the owner not the team navarth Jan 2015 #47

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
12. I can't argue with you there,
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jan 2015

those were really easy calls, there's no reason, IMO, that they missed those calls, one missed I can maybe agree with, but 2? And those were blatantly missed calls.
If Dallas goes to the SB and wins it, it'll be, again IMO, tainted.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
24. sure looked that way. cowboys on tv means big ratings.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:39 PM
Jan 2015

The nfl doesn't have much dignity left, so a little fix wouldn't be a stretch

brush

(53,876 posts)
33. And there was the non-call on Dez Bryant charging unto the field . . .
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:51 AM
Jan 2015

to protest the pass interference call. That's another 15-yarder the officials ignored in order for the Cowboys to advance.

But the pass interference call was the worst since the infamous 'tuck rule' rule call against the Raiders vs the Patriots a few years back.

There are certain franchises that the league wants to succeed and some they don't want to secceed.

I see the Lions are the new Raiders.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
35. Should we come right out and say...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:55 AM
Jan 2015

...that the NFL will do all it can to stop the Lions from getting into the Super Bowl until Detroit becomes a city with a white majority, primarily non-union workforce population?

After all, the racial composition of Oakland had to be a big reason they didn't like the Raiders doing well at one point.

brush

(53,876 posts)
38. Hadn't thought of that angle.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 03:15 AM
Jan 2015

I would say you might be onto something except that the league had long had it in for Al Davis of the Raiders because he always beat them in court in his many suits against them, not to mention the Raiders original bad boy rep that Al had instilled in the franchise.

Remember they rubbed it in the league's face time after time in winning 3 Super Bowls back in the day. Guess you can tell I'm a Raider fan but I was routing for the Lions this year.

They got hosed and then they have to go home with their season ended. What a load of crap.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
39. I also had the feeling that the league, for some reason, didn't want the Rams winning the Super Bowl
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 03:29 AM
Jan 2015

while they were still in L.A.

You'd think they would have wanted that, given the size of the media market in SoCal, but they seemed to be bound and determined to have it be the Cowboys(or the Steelers) instead.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
48. It is not about racism, it is about ratings.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jan 2015

Look at the last few SuperBowls, more drama than an entire season of Days of Our Lives. Two years ago we have Ray Lewis miraculously recover just in time for the playoffs in his last year. Denver is leading with seconds left. The safety has one job left, keep contain. Flacco bombs the ball, the safety for some reason cuts off his coverage, jumps for the ball, letting the reciever sprint into the end zone. Overtime. Baltimore wins. Then, two brothers go against each other in the SuperBowl, Ray Lewis gets his coveted title and ends his career...WHAT A STORY!

Last year, Seattle, a team with a quaterback no one really scouted in college, full of a bunch of late rounder and undrafted defensive players plays lights out defense. Led by a cornerback from Stanford with stiff hips and limited man to man coverage skills (sorry Seattle, r
ichard Sherman is NOT Deion Sanders) plays Denver. For some weird reason, Seattle gets three times as many Superbowl Tickets than Denver and gets them at a discount price. The famous "12th Man" gets to travel to NJ and they bring it home! WHAT A STORY!

This year, Detroit gets hosed, but man, it sets up a classic Green Bay and Dallas game -- just like the glory days. Now, here is how I see the NFL Soap Opera playing out this year. Call this one, REVENGE OF MANNING!


The aging quaterback with the surgically repaired neck gets to vanquish the young stud who vanquished him and gets to hang one on an owner who dissed him on National TV. Look for the Ravens to beat the Patriots -- then this sets up the great rematch of two years ago. This time, Peyton tastes sweet sweet revenge and sends Flacco home and back to the Superbowl where he gets to meet-- wait for it, here it comes, yep, you guessed it. SEATTLE.

Fool me once shame on you...Peyton has his revenge and wins the title. Next year he comes back to defend (he already said he won't retire this year), and wins his third title. Now he has THREE one more than his incompetent brother and he can finally silence his critiques. He does not return for the last year on his contract and rides off into the sunset.

Its all bullshit and its just as fake as pro-wrestling, but at least the WWC is honest about their hokey shit.

undeterred

(34,658 posts)
2. Suh should have been suspended from playing in the game
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jan 2015

after deliberately stepping on Aaron Rodgers twice in the game against the Packers.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
3. Well whoopie doo
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jan 2015

Not directing sarcasm at you kpete, just the wonderful NFL. That apology doesn't put the Lions on the plane to Seattle, where they should be. These ass clowns stole the rest of our season and I greatly resent it. I haven't felt this ripped off since the 2000 election. I'm not screaming 'FIX!!' yet but I am screaming incompetence and cowardice.

Suich

(10,642 posts)
9. Lions got screwed, navarth.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jan 2015

A neighbor came over half-way through the 3rd quarter and I told him, "Detroit is outplaying the Cowboys but it's like the refs are trying to give the game to Dallas!"

Sorry you're not coming to Seattle...Go Packers!

navarth

(5,927 posts)
17. I'm sorry we're not coming too, thanks.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:11 PM
Jan 2015

I really couldn't expect to beat the Seahawks, in fact I expect you guys to repeat. But I really wanted to see our guys go up against the best. Who knows? We were on a roll.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
36. You WERE on a roll.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:57 AM
Jan 2015

Something is very, very dirty in all of this.

And I say that as a Seahawks fan.

10. Lions were gifted a fumble in the last 2 minutes of the game and did nothing.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:36 PM
Jan 2015

They don't belong at Seattle. And there were plenty of missed penalties against the Lions, but no one will care about those since the Cowboys won. An example is the penalty against the Cowboys for hitting the lions punter, followed by a non-call against the Lions far more viscous hit against the Cowboys punter a few drives later.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
15. again horse shit
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:05 PM
Jan 2015

The impact on our kicker's leg was obvious.

Maybe you didn't look at the video and maybe you're not intellectually dishonest. Look at the video again. His lower leg was run into. You can especially see the result of the impact around the knee. Why did he shank that punt later? I can't say if his knee was hurting. Maybe he choked, even though he's been picture perfect all year. But he was run into. That call was proper. The 'viscous' hit against the Cowboys punter was nowhere near his lower leg. I saw them both.

Missed penalties against the Lions? Go ahead and list them and we'll see if any of them changed the game.

They belong at Seattle. The game was taken from them. Good luck to the Cowboys, they didn't do anything dishonest. But the game was stolen.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
30. BS. Suh should not have been playing.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:33 AM
Jan 2015

He deliberately tried to end Rogers career last week. Screw him.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
40. More hyperbole
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:02 AM
Jan 2015

deliberately tried to end Rogers' career? Please.

You have plenty of evidence on your side if you want to claim he was trying to hurt him, even though there is a particle of reasonable doubt on that IMO.

But keep it real.

Even if Suh had not been playing somebody else would have been held in his place. And it doesn't effect the picked-up flag. Our defense was swarming them the entire game and, in case you had not noticed, Suh isn't the entire defense. You can theorize that we wouldn't have been as dominant without Suh, but that's just theory. The reality is that the officials gave this game to the Cowboys. And the Cowboys were glad to get the gift. Who wouldn't be?

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
45. You are right, hyperbole.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jan 2015

I was just irritated at Suh's excuse. And you are right, the Cowboys got some calls.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
46. no worries
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jan 2015

Appreciate the honesty. Some on this issue can't manage that. Good on ya.

I get really irritated with ignorant behavior myself, especially when it hurts the team.

mountain grammy

(26,656 posts)
21. "Home Cooking" is what Warren Sapp tweeted..
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:38 PM
Jan 2015

and he was right. Cowboys at home and the refs cooked it. Sorry, navarth, it was a great game, Lions won it in my book.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
41. Appreciate that, mountain grammy.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:05 AM
Jan 2015

Should have turned out different. Next season is a long way off. We'll just have to wait.

In some ways I'm sorry for the Dallas fans; hard for any honest fan to really enjoy a 'victory' like that.

brush

(53,876 posts)
37. IMO it wasn't incompetence or cowardice.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:59 AM
Jan 2015

It was on purpose to keep the Cowboys in the playoffs.

It was so in-your-face — they didn't call THREE 15-yard penalties on consecutive plays:

The picked up flag negating the pass interference
The non-call on Dez Bryant coming onto the field to protest the call
And the non-holding call against Suh on the next play

That was nothing but blatant fixing to help the Cowboys win.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
11. Been a Lions fan since 1962, when I turned 11.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:44 PM
Jan 2015

The league wanted Dallas at Green Bay. Period. And they got it.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
18. Wow that's longer than me, Faygo.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jan 2015

I've been a Lions Sufferer since the late 70's.

I hate to believe there was a fix on this game so I'm going to resist believing it.

Remember when the Tigers didn't make it in '67? They made good on it in '68. I can't wait for next football season. GO LIONS!

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Could it be that having the Dallas Cowboys moving on in the playoffs is more profitable....
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jan 2015

...than the Detroit Lions?

TWO blown calls that could have cost the Lions a touchdown and given the Cowboys a chance to score the winning touchdown.

A 14-point turnaround.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
16. It's all too easy to indulge in conspiracy theory on this one but
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:06 PM
Jan 2015

I'm putting it off to cowardice and incompetence until I proof of anything else.

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
19. suh has a bad habit of stomping on green bay players, piece of crap isn't worth the liability
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:22 PM
Jan 2015

From the "here we go again category" who can forget this (2011) ... I guess this time of year Suh tends to lose his balance and corrects it by trying to break someones arm or leg.

on edit: yea I know this has nothing to do with the holding non-call, but as far as non-calls Dez Bryant should have been nailed as well.

Screwed up game. Seeing Christie dancing it up with J Jones made me want to puke.


navarth

(5,927 posts)
23. choke job?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:39 PM
Jan 2015

Is it choking if you're being held? If your offensive momentum is stopped by picking up a flag on a clear pass interference?

I think the choke story is questionable. They got stopped a couple of times and Dallas started to get its act together. But they did it with help.

Lobo27

(753 posts)
34. Detroit had no momentum in the 2nd half.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:53 AM
Jan 2015

Lions only scored 3 points the entire half. Bad calls are bad calls. They even said the holding call on Witten that negated a Cowboys TD was a bad call. Should have been reserved too.

Honestly, even after all the bad call BS. I'd blame the Lions coach more than anyone. 4-1 and you don't go for it? Cowboys went for it on 4-6. Of course he didn't know the punter would shank. But still needed to show trust in his offense.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
42. Momentum comes and goes. It was in our favor when it was stolen.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:09 AM
Jan 2015

Sure they lost momentum, and some of it was their fault. How do you get momentum? But making plays. The momentum was back and we would have scored the winning touchdown. I know this in my bones. We would have been too close to the goal line and we were playing too well not to score.

Your comment about Coach Caldwell not going for it is the most creditable comment you made there.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
27. Suh shouldn't even have been playing in that game
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:04 AM
Jan 2015

because of that bullshit he pulled on Rogers. He fooled the system and got to play but as far as I'm concerned that call was Karma for him playing.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
43. He didn't fool anybody.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:16 AM
Jan 2015

They thought he was guilty and they fined him. But because of the ref being near him and seeing the entire incident in REAL TIME which looks a lot different from what we saw, and because that ref said it wasn't as bad as they were saying, and because it's a fucking playoff game for chrissakes they reduced it to a fine.

Suh is at worst, immature. I think you can make a legitimate argument that he should have been out of the game. I probably would feel the same way if it wasn't my team, in all honesty. But he didn't fool anybody.

1Greensix

(111 posts)
28. Change instant replay rules
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:17 AM
Jan 2015

If the rules are changed then the officials would have an opportunity to get it right. Why not penalties called if they are seen on a replay, even if they weren't called on the field? Just two or three plays after that one Romo threw for the end zone and the replay clearly showed offensive holding at the line that should have negated the pass. Two plays clear penalties within two or three plays that would have changed the outcome of the game, and both favored the same team. Looks an awful like there is something crooked, Once Again, in a Dallas game? I will never be convinced there isn't a fix involved when it happens time and again in Dallas. I've just seen too many games between the Eagles and Cowboys, or Redskins and Cowboys, where the officiating crew continually missed obvious holding, pass interference, off-sides, face mask, etc. calls that helped the Cowboys. Wait until legalized sports betting becomes legal and every game will be fixed, not just one's like the Cowboy/Lions game last weekend.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
29. It was fixed.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:26 AM
Jan 2015

Only the best officials do playoffs.

- I think they just wanted to see if Chris would kiss Jerry. Almost....



K&R

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
31. When obvious calls like that are missed by well paid
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:44 AM
Jan 2015

professional refs, the thought does cross my mind if money is crossing palms somewhere. It's not like cheating has ever happened in sports or anything. Right?

randr

(12,417 posts)
44. This will guarantee that the CowBoys
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:08 AM
Jan 2015

will remain as the most despised team in the NFL. A title they have held for decades.
I have never seen such an obvious bad call in decades of enjoying NFL football. It really opens up the question of who is paying who and having the thug Christy as part of the scenario only makes it worse.
The cowBoys think he is some kind of charm but in fact he is a pariah bringing shame in his wake.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
47. I hate the owner not the team
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jan 2015

Ever since I saw Reince Preibus in the suite with Jerry Jones I knew where he was coming from. But I don't hate the team. Probably because one of my friends is a diehard cowboys fan and he and I suffered together this entire season.

We had a 'frank and honest' discussion about the way this one turned out.

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