Insult and the pre-modern mind
In the summer months, those who can afford to get out of Istanbul generally do. Last August, my (then) pregnant wife, her mother and I drove down to the Mediterranean coast in a 1998 Honda.
We were cruising along a dusty two-lane road at about 65 mph when a brand new customized black Porsche Cayenne appeared out of nowhere in the rear-view mirror. He must have been doing at least 110, and was flashing his high-beams, which, in Turkey, means to get out of the way. Being from Ohio, my instincts took over: I yield, wait a split-second for him to get about even with the back bumper, then slide my arm out the driver's window with a fully extended bird.
Although the indigenous "f**k you" hand-sign here is the thumb tucked between the index and middle fingers in a closed fist, Mr Porsche SUV didn't need a translator. I know this because he jerked his car right in front of us, slammed on the brakes and came to a complete stop in the middle of road. I slowly pulled past him on the right shoulder like nothing's happened, but at this point he's got his passenger window rolled down and is screaming about what he's going to do to my mother. Then he flashes a handgun. My heart stops. I flinch and raise my hands in surrender. And just like that, he speeds off.
Lesson learned: flipping someone off in Turkey, even if it's justifiable or done in the anonymity of urban life, could be the last thing you'll ever do.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-180215.html
niyad
(113,318 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)And some of them are likely to come after you.
We live in a very stressful society, we take pride in it even, and stress is bad for self control, it wears you down.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)No matter what stupidity they committed. I've already been the target of road rage before, and I was incredibly lucky that that ass didn't have a gun, I'm not going to risk getting shot over expressing my opinion of someone's godawful driving.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)msongs
(67,407 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)at a restaurant our party told them to start the pizza so it's ready when everyone starts trickling in: they deliver it in a box; embarrassed, we follow the maitre d' to our seat; the owner comes out and starts screaming and we almost get kicked out: we gather that he thought we'd ordered to-go and were sitting down with it: he hadn't so much been "offended" as he thought we were tricking him, taking advantage: if someone's disrespected or dishonored they think you're doing something to them, that you're damaging part of the social contract
and he was Italian-American, not one of "those people" we love to psychoanalyze
but it's a broader notion at the heart of this, one that explains why even the atheist Iranian exiles I know hate Rushdie's guts
since the Conquistadors (human sacrifice and cannibalism were the main things they felt they were fighting) but especially since 1789 "the West" has had this problem where it sees itself as the default for all mankind, as the model for everyone from Tierra del Fuego to deepest Dzhungaria; today we try to pretend we've "outgrown" what we label "killing people over books and cartoons"
we in the North Atlantic/Oceania/Israel pretend to be this placid, secular bastion of freedom where everyone can speak their mind no matter how it might offend and nobody gets shot for it: but what other continents see is a bunch of countries that have erased their past, prospered on exploitation, offshored their violence, sponsored tyrants and the brutal militias fighting them alike, and unleashed quite a few wars, then acts all innocent when people don't like being insulted
from the 1910s to the 60s many, many countries defined their whole raison d'etre as fighting everything premodern: so many were slaughtered in modernization's name it's not funny--the USSR, the Barisan Nasional, the Derg, India's INC, Mao, Mexico's PRI, Kemal, and everyone in-between promised a terrestrial paradise: we'd dam every river, soak the soil in fertilizers and antibiotics and feed the world, level the rainforests, melt the icecaps, reap the ocean, and everyone would have 4-7 kids for the new schools and factories--the US could do it, and so could we! Italian "reunification" led to decades-long civil war as the Neapolitans tried to resist their crushing new oppressors: 20,000 "brigands" were killed
but what happened was bloodshed and strategic hamlets; the oil booms didn't last, the pesticides killed workers, the monocultures died, the GMOs coded for poisons, one-fifth of women sought illegal abortions as their babies starved, and all the old Wellsian promises of collective godhood through technology produce only disgust: the exhausted old technocracy could offer nothing but starvation and coup attempts, producing a surge in religious parties--political Islam, political Catholicism that could be conservative but were also distributivist
in Turkey the agronomists took out the rocks they had in their fields because straight lines was the way to industrialize agriculture and end hunger--couldn't these superstitionists see straight? next spring the soil washed away
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And we seem to be impervious to learning too.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)The West has an estimable literature, but it is far from all that is worthwhile, either now or in the past, and its history is littered with social inequities and disfunctions as bad as anywhere and not doing too well today.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The guy knew the road rules in Turkey (formal or informal) but decided to be an asshole about it (flipping off the other driver) and then gets bent out of shape when the other driver takes offense at his offensive gesture?
Dude never heard that when in Rome you do as the Romans do?
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And I'm, pretty sure I could get a gun waved at me here doing that too.