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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 10:57 PM Feb 2017

Russian Black Propaganda is a Vast Effort to Destabilize the US and Topple NATO

Russian interference in the 2016 US election has been widely documented in press reports, The Atlantic provides a reasonable summary of the details in the official joint US Intelligence Agencies report. After stonewalling and denying, in time even Donald Trump conceded the basic truth it actually took place. Another report was the leaked dossier by former MI6 agent Christopher Steele. Initially written for GOP primary opponents of Trump, it was later sold again to Democrats. Best known for pissgate — salacious claims about Donald Trump’s presumed sexual predilections — buried in the 35 page report were also a myriad of details about Russian media influence operations, including hacking and trolling, Russian orchestration of the DNC Guccifer 2.0 leaks, as well as Wikileaks’ Podesta emails.

It too didn’t provide named or public sources. And, as Glenn Greenwald and others correctly noted at the time, that should give any skeptical reader pause. But in the weeks since events in Russia have led credence to Steele’s report. For example, after the report leaked, there were several Russian arrests for treason of hackers also suspected of having been sources. As well as the murder of Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB general believed to have been the report’s primary source. But the most damning circumstantial evidence is the Steele dossier claim Russia had agreed to sell Trump 19% of the state oil company Rosneft, in exchange for lifting sanctions. Suspiciously, Reuters reported shortly after Trump was sworn in to office, Russia had sold a 19% stake of the oil firm through a cascade of intermediaries, making tracing of its final owner(s) impossible.

Thus, revelations of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s hasty resignation, for having been caught by wiretap discussing sanctions against Russia, as well as news that Trump officials had many such repeated contacts with Russian officials, might make one suspect there had been a behind-the-scenes negotiation of a quid-pro-quo for Trump’s personal gain. Which might explain why, when MI6 spy Christopher Steele’s name was revealed as the author of that Russian Election Interference Dossier, he ran like hell in hiding. Perhaps out of fear he could be slipped a nasty cup ‘o Russian polonium special Earl Grey at a London cafe. These people are dangerous!

This news is now common knowledge. Spread out across an official US report, a perhaps credible dossier, and curious events about the changing US-Russian relations since the Trump inauguration, all reported in various disparate news sources. Which, taken in aggregate, suggest more than a whiff of corruption by Trump. But it may be more than that. As John McCain noted on the Senate floor, Russia overtly intervening in US elections is tantamount to an act of war. Why in God’s name would the Russian government risk provoking the United States to war? And how could mere cyber attacks have had such an unexpected effect on the US election outcome? What I want to discuss is not just the tactics, the HOW of Russian propaganda efforts, but also the WHY. Their overall strategy.

But first, the tactics.

Read the whole article at: https://extranewsfeed.com/russian-black-propaganda-is-a-vast-effort-to-destabilize-the-us-and-topple-nato-27d569fad577#.ukfykijl5

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Russian Black Propaganda is a Vast Effort to Destabilize the US and Topple NATO (Original Post) milestogo Feb 2017 OP
Russia economy is too weak compared to US economy golfguru Feb 2017 #1
Did you read the article? Economic strength has nothing to do with anything. PSPS Feb 2017 #2
Asymmetric Warfare ParanoidFactoid Feb 2017 #4
I'm the author ParanoidFactoid Feb 2017 #3
No problem milestogo Feb 2017 #5
Thank you ParanoidFactoid Feb 2017 #6
 

golfguru

(4,987 posts)
1. Russia economy is too weak compared to US economy
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 11:14 PM
Feb 2017

I did not bother googling this, but my WAG is our
economy is bigger by orders of magnitude.
Therefore Russia is incapable of destabilizing the US.
That is how USSR met it's demise, because USSR tried
to compete with US on the issue of star wars. Russia
will go broke as well trying to destabilize US.

PSPS

(13,577 posts)
2. Did you read the article? Economic strength has nothing to do with anything.
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 12:16 AM
Feb 2017

In fact, the plan is working. We're far beyond the "trying to destabilize the US" stage.

ParanoidFactoid

(17 posts)
4. Asymmetric Warfare
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 02:51 AM
Feb 2017

Hi golfguru,

The game is asymmetric warfare. The propaganda outreach is very carefully tailored to specific subcultures in each target nation.

For example, US and UK: Christian conservatives, use of pedophilia and satanic worship charges. Hence, bogus claims about satanic pedophilia throughout government in the Hampstead child sex scandal. Or Pizzagate in the US, targeting Podesta and Clinton with false allegations of child sex slavery and trafficking, thus whipping up a mass revolt of people against them.

Or, by forming associations with US and European neo-Nazis. For example, Richard Spencer and his site "alternativeright.com". There, Alexander Dugin was given editorial space. And as a result, you'll now see Stormfront types opining that Russia is their true mother country.

And need I remind you, Steve Bannon's Breitbart.com called Spencer, "The leading intellectual of the alternative right".

ParanoidFactoid

(17 posts)
3. I'm the author
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 02:39 AM
Feb 2017

Hey, milestogo, I didn't notice you'd submitted the story here before I wrote about it myself. No worries on the submission. I just created this account and didn't have the requisite comments posted to create a thread.

Hope I didn't create a problem here.

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