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yurbud

(39,405 posts)
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:34 AM Sep 2012

Is it just me or is the response the right seems to want in Libya that we bomb the shit

out of the rebels we just helped put in power there?

I didn't even agree with backing that revolution, but it seems like the only response conservatives can imagine is collective punishment (ie mass murder) of people either the same religion, ethnicity, or both of the attackers.

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Is it just me or is the response the right seems to want in Libya that we bomb the shit (Original Post) yurbud Sep 2012 OP
Sigh. You're probably right. Kablooie Sep 2012 #1
Imagine if we responded to the Oklahoma City Federal building bombing the way Republicans want us to yurbud Sep 2012 #3
Trial in America. Igel Sep 2012 #6
If Libyan guards did not do their duty then you're right, Libya must take some responsibility. Kablooie Sep 2012 #7
It's all they know. louis-t Sep 2012 #2
''ken we git a lynch mob AND a tax cut?'' yurbud Sep 2012 #5
It comes down to exerting superiority over countries and regions. no_hypocrisy Sep 2012 #4
nah - they want to tie it to Iran ribrepin Sep 2012 #8
Bombing is good, it's always good, it's what we do best. nt bemildred Sep 2012 #9
"When the only tool you have is a hammer christx30 Sep 2012 #10
and when your as stupid as a sack of hammers yurbud Sep 2012 #11

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
1. Sigh. You're probably right.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:37 AM
Sep 2012

But this was criminal behavior by individuals, not a government action.
The criminals must be brought to trial and certainly security in American Embassies must be fortified but of course it is illogical and immoral to punish a government for crimes that individuals commit.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
3. Imagine if we responded to the Oklahoma City Federal building bombing the way Republicans want us to
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:41 AM
Sep 2012

respond to attacks by foreigners.

But of course the white Christian, right wing extremist is always a lone nut never part of a broader culture or movement.

Igel

(35,350 posts)
6. Trial in America.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:11 PM
Sep 2012

Non-negotiable. If not agreed to, their ambassador leaves and their embassy closes.

The act happened on American soil. It was done by more than one person. Bring them to justice.

The government security folk decided that their lives were worth more than their honor and the lives of Americans. They must be fired for negligence and not subject to reemployment by the Libyan government. It was a lapse in Libyan security, a fatal lapse in judgment by those men. They can't be trusted to protect people if they're too jealous of their own safety. And if they value Libyans over others, then that's a different moral problem and they're still untrustworthy.

The US embassy should be rebuilt using Libyan funds by American contractors. We build, we send Libya the bill monthly. If a monthly bill's not paid in 30 days, ambassador goes home and their embassy's closed until the bill's paid.

It's illogical and immoral to punish a government for crimes that individuals commit. But if US guards ran from a foreign embassy I would expect the US to do the same to rebuild that embassy in DC.

It's illogical and immoral to punish a government for rights that individuals exercise. Yet that's precisely what some dogs in Libya did.

Kablooie

(18,641 posts)
7. If Libyan guards did not do their duty then you're right, Libya must take some responsibility.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 09:46 PM
Sep 2012

Also if the crime did occur within the Embassy, technically on American soil, America may be justified in demanding an American trial.

You have some points.

So I'm not saying that Libya is innocent of all involvement but I don't see evidence that they were actually behind the crimes in any way. It was not an act of war. Insufficient policing perhaps for which they should be held responsible, but not an active move against the US.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
5. ''ken we git a lynch mob AND a tax cut?''
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 12:09 PM
Sep 2012

''That'd be a trifecta Preznit Bush was talking about.''

no_hypocrisy

(46,168 posts)
4. It comes down to exerting superiority over countries and regions.
Wed Sep 12, 2012, 11:41 AM
Sep 2012

If we attacked them first without an excuse, the UN would condemn us except for Israel's vote.

So if they don't attack us, then there will be individuals (who want us to be engaged militarily) who will provoke them to attack us, giving us the illusion of self defense.

ribrepin

(1,726 posts)
8. nah - they want to tie it to Iran
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 03:27 AM
Sep 2012

Heard some right winger today praising the Libyans for carrying the ambassador to the hospital and saying that this was a state sponsored attack by Iran.

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