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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:05 PM Dec 2012

Iceland Was Right, We Were Wrong: The IMF

By Jeff Neilson

Source: thestreet.com

Wednesday, December 26, 2012

For approximately three years, our governments, the banking cabal, and the Corporate Media have assured us that they knew the appropriate approach for fixing the economies that they had previously crippled with their own mismanagement. We were told that the key was to stomp on the Little People with “austerity” in order to continue making full interest payments to the Bond Parasites — at any/all costs.

Following three years of this continuous, uninterrupted failure, Greece has already defaulted on 75% of its debts, and its economy is totally destroyed. The UK, Spain and Italy are all plummeting downward in suicide-spirals, where the more austerity these sadistic governments inflict upon their own people the worse their debt/deficit problems get. Ireland and Portugal are nearly in the same position.

Now in what may be the greatest economic “mea culpa” in history, we have the media admitting that this government/banking/propaganda-machine troika has been wrong all along. They have been forced to acknowledge that Iceland’s approach to economic triage was the correct approach right from the beginning.

What was Iceland’s approach? To do the exact opposite of everything the bankers running our own economies told us to do. The bankers (naturally) told us that we needed to bail out the criminal Big Banks, at taxpayer expense (they were Too Big To Fail). Iceland gave the banksters nothing.

More: http://www.zcommunications.org/iceland-was-right-we-were-wrong-the-imf-by-jeff-neilson

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Iceland Was Right, We Were Wrong: The IMF (Original Post) polly7 Dec 2012 OP
Boy Howdy I wish THIS would infect the beltway media! annabanana Dec 2012 #1
Don't worry, the corps and the banks are dumping huge amounts of "anti-contagion" into washington Javaman Dec 2012 #34
K&R Teamster Jeff Dec 2012 #2
Also: tama Dec 2012 #3
k&r Little Star Dec 2012 #4
Du rec. Nt xchrom Dec 2012 #5
“an imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all Republics,” grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #6
So true.... abelenkpe Dec 2012 #19
When does the Statute of Limitations cbrer Dec 2012 #7
Do "Statute of Limitations" come from monolithic laws of nature, some deity, or an E.T.? Larry Ogg Dec 2012 #32
probably wriiten in the law they are past any limit or like Bush/Cheney, it's law they are immune. Sunlei Dec 2012 #44
kick bloomington-lib Dec 2012 #8
k/r marmar Dec 2012 #9
But doing it the austerity way, don't a handful of very, very rich people get richer? valerief Dec 2012 #10
Cha-ching! On the nosey! bluesbassman Dec 2012 #13
Because making the rich richer is *THE* most important thing in the world. valerief Dec 2012 #15
IIRC, Iceland didn't give the bankers nothing magical thyme Dec 2012 #11
Iceland gave them what was left over -- *snicker* -- after the people were given their money back. pacalo Dec 2012 #46
Krugman was right FreeBC Dec 2012 #12
K&R Sherman A1 Dec 2012 #14
I posted the same things back in 2010 and was belittled for being "naive" Drew Richards Dec 2012 #16
I was 100% against the bailout of 2008 Heather MC Dec 2012 #37
I was told how irresponsible it was. Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #38
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #17
The banking system in Iceland mostly affected Iceland oldbanjo Dec 2012 #18
Global economy is still unstable abelenkpe Dec 2012 #20
Hmmm. Actually Iceland's banks were being used for deregulated speculation Warren Stupidity Dec 2012 #24
kick limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #21
^ Wilms Dec 2012 #22
Read "The Shock Doctrine" - Naomi Klein. It's all in there in, described in detail. Why do we still alberg Dec 2012 #23
The Too Big To Jail run DC, blkmusclmachine Dec 2012 #25
Um...DUH! lrellok Dec 2012 #26
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out... tex-wyo-dem Dec 2012 #27
"The upper class will just hoard most of the wealth." caveat_imperator Dec 2012 #30
Rocket Scientist? Farmer Fowweather Dec 2012 #28
k&r nt bananas Dec 2012 #29
Ísland var rétt defacto7 Dec 2012 #31
K&R idwiyo Dec 2012 #33
K&R DeSwiss Dec 2012 #35
"Iceland gave the banksters nothing. " Volaris Dec 2012 #36
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2012 #39
Iceland also canceled EVERY bank home forclosure and gave the homes back to the citizens. Sunlei Dec 2012 #40
Austere measures DON"T WORK lovuian Dec 2012 #41
Keynes showed the way during the Great Depression and it worked. The Austrian/U of Chicago school byeya Dec 2012 #42
I quibble with the notion that truedelphi Dec 2012 #45
Max Keiser isn't crazy after all. Gregorian Dec 2012 #43
But, but, but President Obama.... Hotler Dec 2012 #47
The IMF loves to go nation shopping!!! lunasun Dec 2012 #48

annabanana

(52,791 posts)
1. Boy Howdy I wish THIS would infect the beltway media!
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 05:07 PM
Dec 2012

It needs to become "conventional wisdom" as fast as possible.

Javaman

(62,531 posts)
34. Don't worry, the corps and the banks are dumping huge amounts of "anti-contagion" into washington
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 09:44 AM
Dec 2012

to prevent it from taking hold.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
19. So true....
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:04 PM
Dec 2012

Policies that do nothing to right that imbalance flirt with upheaval. Why don't more realise this?

Larry Ogg

(1,474 posts)
32. Do "Statute of Limitations" come from monolithic laws of nature, some deity, or an E.T.?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 08:24 AM
Dec 2012
Hmmm... Most likely not!

Or do they come from bought and paid for sock-puppet politicians that are dependent on the campaign donations of ridiculously rich criminals?

I know those are some tough questions, so don't think about it to long because the conflict between what you want reality to be, and what reality might actually be, could cause your head to explode.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
44. probably wriiten in the law they are past any limit or like Bush/Cheney, it's law they are immune.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:13 PM
Dec 2012

valerief

(53,235 posts)
10. But doing it the austerity way, don't a handful of very, very rich people get richer?
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:43 PM
Dec 2012

Isn't that the goal? That a handful of extremely privileged people get as much as they want and fuck everyone else?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
11. IIRC, Iceland didn't give the bankers nothing
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 06:53 PM
Dec 2012

I seem to remember that they gave a few of their own jail time.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
46. Iceland gave them what was left over -- *snicker* -- after the people were given their money back.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:29 PM
Dec 2012


Iceland told the Bond Parasites they would get what was left over, after the people had been taken care of (by their own government).

Drew Richards

(1,558 posts)
16. I posted the same things back in 2010 and was belittled for being "naive"
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:16 PM
Dec 2012

"Here we are in 2010 and after Paulson convinces the American public we must bail out Wall Street not Main Street, with ZERO accountability or the US will economically fail, the banks and mortgage companies are right back to gambling on unsubstantiated securities...what? are we really that stupid? or is the banking lobby that powerful? PONZI-3 You Betcha!

We would have been better off and probably stabilized the partially solvent institutions better and faster by giving everyone who filed an individual 2006 Federal Tax Return $5,000 dollars. IRS 2006 statistics say 133,000,000 individual returns were filed that would be $665,000,000 Billion dollars. That is about the same amount $700,000,000 Billion given to Wall Street with no strings attached but it would have stabilized the middle class, individual mortgages and the semi-solvent institutions. Before you go crying Socialism that's $5,000 to all tax paying US citizens that filed a return AND how is that different than Bush's tax rebate? How is that different than giving 700 BILLION dollars to Corporations while the rest of us go bankrupt? Oh because we are actually helping human beings and not the Corporate Masters...sorry I forgot.

The old saying used to be..."Kill all the Lawyers" maybe the 21st Century saying should be "kill all the Financiers." Just kidding...of course...sic."

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
37. I was 100% against the bailout of 2008
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:29 AM
Dec 2012

the whole seemed fishy rushed and desperate. it's been my experience that when you make a financial decision in a desperate situation you make a bad choice.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
38. I was told how irresponsible it was.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:46 AM
Dec 2012

I love what happened in Iceland. It is a glimpse of a possible future world.

oldbanjo

(690 posts)
18. The banking system in Iceland mostly affected Iceland
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 07:52 PM
Dec 2012

the banking system in the US affects the entire World and could have caused a World wide Depression.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
20. Global economy is still unstable
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 08:11 PM
Dec 2012

with many predicting a new recession. Nothing has really been reformed....yet.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
24. Hmmm. Actually Iceland's banks were being used for deregulated speculation
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:47 PM
Dec 2012

And were deeply entangled with Dutch and British financial institutions.

alberg

(412 posts)
23. Read "The Shock Doctrine" - Naomi Klein. It's all in there in, described in detail. Why do we still
Wed Dec 26, 2012, 11:37 PM
Dec 2012

have such a hard time believing it?

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
25. The Too Big To Jail run DC,
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:55 AM
Dec 2012

and they've got their own private G Men.

.
"Are you in?" asked Rev. Rick Warren (2010)

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
27. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out...
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:42 AM
Dec 2012

When the poor and middle/working classes get money in their pocket, they spend it right back into the economy at a much greater rate than the upper class could ever hope to do.

So to fix economy, get more money into the hands of poor and working class folks. The upper class will just hoard most of the wealth. And the banks are going to be reluctant to loosen credit.

Austerity just accomplishes the exact opposite of what should be done.

caveat_imperator

(193 posts)
30. "The upper class will just hoard most of the wealth."
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:24 AM
Dec 2012

Yup. Even when I was still in school I noticed that if more money that was in circulation went to the uber-rich they'd rather sew bigger pockets in every bit of clothing they had rather than let any of it go back to anyone not as wealthy as them.

28. Rocket Scientist?
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:18 AM
Dec 2012

As a matter of published fact, somewhere in his magisterial "General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money" John Maynard Keynes noted that if your rulers wish employment to be encouraged, they should send the money to the people who will spend it soonest. He outlines many considerations that may delay wealthy investors from doing so.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
31. Ísland var rétt
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 04:09 AM
Dec 2012

og við getum lært mikið af anda þeirra og sanngjörnu aðgerðir.

(Iceland was correct and we could learn much from their spirit and reasonable actions.)

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
36. "Iceland gave the banksters nothing. "
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:18 AM
Dec 2012

"Well, what do I get?"
"You get Nothing."

If that quote ends up being true (because there is apperently some doubt as to it's validity), it will go down as one of the greatest Presidential responses in History, because, more than likely, it will the frame the debate for the Second Term.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
40. Iceland also canceled EVERY bank home forclosure and gave the homes back to the citizens.
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 11:13 AM
Dec 2012

Banks tried to do the same massive wave of forclosures they did in America to thousands of families, and Iceland didn't fall for that lender-scam.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
41. Austere measures DON"T WORK
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 12:37 PM
Dec 2012

it only punishes the people and makes them poorer
destroying the economy

they know that ....the Great Depression was proof



 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
42. Keynes showed the way during the Great Depression and it worked. The Austrian/U of Chicago school
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 02:46 PM
Dec 2012

has been tried and has been a failure.

The wealthy benefit, that's why supplyside/monetarism isn't a failure for them although it beggars the poor and
middle income.

We didn't vote for this and we need to keep bringing this up and hammering away if we're to live in a capitalist society.
Personally, I think, we need a bigger share of public ownership of the infrastructure and a state run bank that uses the prudent man rule.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
45. I quibble with the notion that
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:17 PM
Dec 2012

"We didn't vote for this."

What part of Mr Obama, at the podium, smiling at Romney and telling him during the very first goddamn debate, that he too liked Simpson Bowles, don't you understand?

What part of Rahm Emanuel - Obama's right hand man - calling anyone who has a clue "retards," don't you get? If Obama didn't like that, then why did he keep Rahm on after the remark?

What part of Tim Geithner, financial crook extraordinaire, who runs around the world and tells foreign banking officials that "Obama works for me," don't you understand?









Hotler

(11,428 posts)
47. But, but, but President Obama....
Thu Dec 27, 2012, 03:42 PM
Dec 2012

went on Sixty Minutes and said that the bankers did nothing illegal.

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