Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

TrollBuster9090

(5,955 posts)
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 04:51 PM Mar 2013

I'm confused. Is Michelle Bachmann 'filibustering' in the House???

Bernie Sanders is 70, and after 8 hours of filibustering in the Senate, he looked less exhausted and less crazy than this. In fact, if not for the beard, I'd find her speech hard to distinguish from the old SCTV PHIL'S NAILS skit.





But people have commented on the fact that she didn't really offer an alternative to Obamacare. Well, we all know what the alternative is: Ryancare

Here are the two alternatives facing Americans in a nutshell.


OBAMACARE:
1. Mandate a minimum level of care that must be provided before you can call your plan a 'health insurance plan.'
Otherwise, you'll get some plans that actually offer comprehensive healthcare, and some plans (offered for a cheaper price) that only cover HANGNAILS and knee scrapes. But that's buried in the fine print, so you'd never know until you had a coronary, and got sent the bill for a $100 000 hospital stay.

2. Having mandated the minimum level of coverage, put all the plans up on a government run exchange, so responsible consumers can compare them back to back, without fine print, tricky clauses, or obfuscation.

RYANCARE:
1. Don't mandate anything. No minimum level of care, no direct comparisons between plans in plain english. You're on your own, but we'll give you a COUPON for a FLAT AMOUNT of money to help you pay your premiums.

Which plan is more likely to keep prices low by encouraging direct competition, and which is more likely to just INFLATE the floor price of ALL plans to whatever the COUPON is worth?


Here's the deal, people: Free market capitalism DOES WORK, but ONLY if you
A) Forbid monopolies, thus ensuring competition, and
B) Ensure that CONSUMERS have access to ACCURATE and HONEST information about the products they're buying.
Obamacare does both. (Personally, I think variants of a single-payer system would work better, but Obamacare's guaranteed, back to back comparisons will certainly work better than the system we've just gotten rid of.)

Without these two things, there ISN'T really any 'free market competition' and defenders of that system aren't free market capitalists, they're 'plutocratic communists.' America was plundered by robber barons during the GILDED AGE because the government did NOT forbid monopolies. American free enterprise did not really take off until AFTER the anti-trust laws were brought in at the beginning of the 20th Century. And most of the CONTEMPORARY robber-barroning (on Wall Street) was accomplished by OBSCURING and OBFUSCATING the true value of products, confusing consumers to the point where they don't know the true value of what they're buying. We may have (sort of) outlawed monopolies, which worked for a few decades to bring us all prosperity, but NOW we have to tackle the problem of corporate obfuscation of value. The new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau will do a lot in this regard, and that's why big corporations hate it so much, and will do anything to drown it in the bathtub.

When people claim to be defending free-market capitalism, what they are actually defending is GOVERNMENT-ENABLED free market capitalism.

8 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I'm confused. Is Michelle Bachmann 'filibustering' in the House??? (Original Post) TrollBuster9090 Mar 2013 OP
You shouldn't make fun of Michelle's beard Drale Mar 2013 #1
No, I think Marcus is more of a buddy problem. B Stieg Mar 2013 #8
Eugene Levy is a eugenius! stlsaxman Mar 2013 #2
aw man- i can't WAIT until BLR gets their hands on this... stlsaxman Mar 2013 #3
"No!" "Cut!" AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #5
I don't know... Plucketeer Mar 2013 #6
You hear it everyday Mnpaul Mar 2013 #4
I cannot believe this woman actually listens to mlevans Mar 2013 #7

stlsaxman

(9,236 posts)
3. aw man- i can't WAIT until BLR gets their hands on this...
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 05:08 PM
Mar 2013

they did such a great job on her campaign commercial!



mlevans

(843 posts)
7. I cannot believe this woman actually listens to
Thu Mar 21, 2013, 06:19 PM
Mar 2013

the shit flowing out of her mouth. It's not as though I didn't already know she was completely deranged, it's just that this stuff is so extreme I have trouble believing she's not just playing with everybody. Too wild.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Video & Multimedia»I'm confused. Is Michell...