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In atypical approach, grand jury in Ferguson shooting receives full measure of case
The single chart that shows that federal grand juries indict 99.99 percent of the time
Background of prosecutor in Ferguson case has some questioning probe's credibility
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world wide wally
(21,743 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)public execution?????
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)Murder 1, 2, 3? Manslaughter?
What specific charge should have been brought against the Officer?
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)if you shot someone in the street, and made up a bullshit story that defies logic? i do believe this was an execution, nothing less. he should be charged with murder, but that will never happen in this country.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)on you and your transparency is blinding me. Nothing according to you since you feel the system worked and was correct with it's conclusions in this case. No use talking to one of wilson's admirers, since I can draw no other conclusion given the evidence you've presented here.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)I don't know. I'm not a DA or a lawyer.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)love_katz
(2,579 posts)Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)of an African-American not receiving justice only because of his race, and the ever-growing police state the USA has become.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)lark
(23,099 posts)it has left the building. Now, the rich old white males can do anything they fucking please, kill anyone who's not another rich old white male, and there is no consequence. We've turned our police into the military and they are attacking us at will. Women, children (other than fetuses) and minorities are toast, they get no respect or justice.
The Ferguson case purely stinks to high heaven and it makes me sick that the racist can kill kids with impunity and no consequences whatsoever. I hope Darren Wilson gets everything due to him, because that's some badass karma coming his way.
Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)turbinetree
(24,701 posts)This prosecutor is the only one that can present evidence, so when he decides to cherry-pick the evidence and only call what he or she wants the grand jury to hear, then this is a problem.
The defendant cannot ask any questions------none.
This grand jury took three months during this time and why it took so long the media and this justice department in that state there was what we saw and heard a smear campaign.
Grand juries are impaneled and in murder cases -usually take two weeks to indict or not to indict.
Then we see the police department go to the governor to start putting in place there police agenda of serve and protect moniker and then to top it off that information was coming from somewhere in the justice system being leaked information from this prosecutor and the police is really NOT far fetched.
It was reported his family (prosecutor) had one of there own killed while on the police force by a person of color.
The governor should have fired this prosecutor from the start to have impartially, instead of this political gamesmanship.
Every 28 minutes some one in this country is shot dead, that should be a sobering thought.
We have more deaths by a gun, than by a car accident, that is really scary to say the least
28 MINUTES SOMEONE IS KILLED By A GUN = ( 2 per Hour @ 48 per day @ 365 days = 17,520 deaths by a GUN
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Killed three individuals.
It is shoot first, worry about why you shot them later. If a cop comes up with any type of excuse, he will continue to have his paycheck, benefits and be in line for a promotion. Also, warning shots or shots that are not kill shots seem to be a thing of the past.
The way to end this is to have cameras filming every time an officer is dealing with someone in the public. Cameras are so small now; this strategy would not add extra weight to their equipment. Probably have cameras that weigh less than a pen.
When I was tabling on a local issue, a friend of mine filmed my interactions with a store security clerk, and the camera lens that friend used was not any bigger than my pinkie finger's fingernail. The security guy never knew he was being filmed! Yet the resolution of the video footage was top notch, and would have been excellent footage if I had needed it for a court case.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)on state grand juries. It's fair to say the large majority of them also return indictments. That is, where the prosecutor actually wanted an indictment and actually argued for a particular charge.
A distinction here is that the case involved a police officer and the local prosecutor refused to recuse himself.
The prosecutor presented the case to the grand jury in a manner very different from most cases. He allowed Wilson to present his defense. I would like to know how many other times this particular prosecutor has handled a grand jury this way, in cases involving the killing of an unarmed person. My hunch is - zero.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)jury.
That aside though what happens now? Can a new grand jury be convened or is the officer now immune from the state trying to bring it before a different grand jury?
Also what about the feds? Last I heard they werent going to do anything is that because they were waiting for the grand jury to issue its decision or is that because they dont have any evidence that the officer broke a federal law?
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Conceivably a new prosecutor could bring charges against Wilson. It's unlikely that further State charges will be brought.
As for federal, the Department of Justice is conducting an independent investigation. It's tough to speculate since we don't know the full scope of that investigation. It's unlikely they will bring federal criminal charges against Wilson, unless they involve a civil rights violation.
The Department of Justice can recommend changes be made to the police force, and enforce it with a consent decree. This has occurred in other place like Los Angeles.
Albuquerque is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice, as there have been a large amount of cases involving excessive force by police.
Some possible outcomes of a consent decree might include more diversity on the police force that better reflects the makeup of the area, better training of officers in ways that reduce the likelihood of killing unarmed citizens, different rules of engagement when backup has been called, better hiring practices, reduction in work stresses. Things that may result in a better situation both for police and for the people for whom they serve and protect.
Hope that helps a bit cstanleytech. Have a good day.
WhoIsNumberNone
(7,875 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)because there's so much truth in it.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I've ever seen. Absolutely appalling.
I don't want to see anyone harmed, let alone killed, but it's not like my opinion matters. This whole thing has taken on a life of its own and God only knows where it ends.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)and property...
I want to ask every single one of them...did you FUCKING VOTE on Election Day????
Did you allow Pukes, Baggers, Racists, Bigots and Assorted Other Haters...to take office or remain in office across America, because you were too lazy to vote?
Vote these fuckers out of office...instead of burning down your own town!
I am so disgusted.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)sammy750
(165 posts)Yet, all the other cases he has taken to the grand jury, all were charged. He treats cop murders different then a normal murder. The laws of MO give cops the right to kill in almost every instance of confronting a suspect. Thus, its open season for cops in MO to kill if they choose.
The real issue is that law makers need to tighten up the laws, but that is difficult, since law makers don't know much about the laws they create or pass.
The other issue is why has this prosecutor been in office so long if people are not happy with his decisions.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)JonLP24
(29,322 posts)The Brown case would be far from the most outrageous incident involving a police officer not being criminally charged for killing an unarmed person. In 2012, for example, Brian Claunch, a wheelchair-bound double amputee living in a group home in Houston, became unruly. After the cops arrived, Claunch, who had a history of mental illness, verbally threatened them from his wheelchair and waved a shiny objecta ballpoint pen. After Claunch refused to drop the pen, one of the officers shot him in the head, killing him.
Is it shocking the officer wasnt charged? Yes. Unexpected? No. As The Texas Observer noted, between 2007 and 2012, Houston police officers shot and killed 109 people and injured another 111. How many of these shootings were deemed unjustified? Zero.
Claunch was white. I mention his race only because white people should, too, be concerned with being shot by law enforcement. In fact, the police have killed more whites than black people in recent years. But those numbers dont paint the full picture. On a percentage basis, blacks are being shot and killed by the police in much higher numbers.
For example, as Mother Jones noted, between 2004 and 2008, Oakland police officers shot 37 people. How many were black? All of them. And even though in 40 percent of the cases the suspect was unarmed, not one police officer was charged with a crime. And Oakland is not unique heresimilar numbers can be found in other big cities.
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What may be legal might not always be right. While the police may walk away scot-free, we still remember what they did. And I would predict that if we see more cases like Michael Brown or Eric Garnerthe unarmed man killed in July after NYPD officers placed him in an illegal chokeholdthe more negatively the police will be viewed by everyone going forward.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/26/why-killer-cops-walk-free.html