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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40867.htm5 Minute Video
If you're a child, or an adult who's afraid to face reality, do not watch this video.
Posted February 01, 2015
tnlurker
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(595 posts)everyone should watch this.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)The math at the end speaks for itself...the psychopaths chose destruction over life every time.
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The film is pretty good, except I don't think you can build much of a house for $60,000. At least I don't think you can build houses as nice as those featured in the video for $60,000.
Something is amiss with this video.
localroger
(3,629 posts)The bigger problem is paying for the land it's sitting on. Most of the houses on the island were hand built so the major cost was labor, and if you're willing to write down sweat the construction materials in a conventional foundation clapboard house are in the $30K range unless it's huge or baroque.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Do you have a link for a house in the $30,000 range. I'd like to see what it would look like.
localroger
(3,629 posts)$30K would just be for the materials. Most of the cost of a modern house is labor and real estate. It's not hard to do the math and add it all up. I spent about 5 years very seriously considering building an experimental house and I looked into all kinds of alternative techniques like adobe and papercrete as well as traditional. At one time I had a really impressive spreadsheet but then the housing market collapsed and I realized I was basically stuck in the suburban tract home I can't sell now.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's great that you did all that research.
localroger
(3,629 posts)I was starting form a lot of lit from folks who were trying to save the world by providing cheap housing, such as the DomeBook 2 guys. The thing is now there's such a glut of housing in the US there will be no need for any of that for at least another generation. The problem is now political and social to get the homeless into the more than adequate abandoned homes waiting for them. That's a thing papercrete and adobe can't solve.
Piasladic
(1,160 posts)Rich people can afford to be so green and relaxed.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... and TRUE!
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)There is too much money in it. The last anti-war president was Carter. He lost for being soft on the commies. Clinton learned from that. Obama still promotes war. Hillary will promote war.
We are fucked.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Toronto skyline in 2009 as seen from Centre Island Park
By 1963, all Islanders willing to leave the island had left and the remaining Islanders started to fight the plans of Metro to remove their homes. While demolitions still proceeded, the Islanders' alderman David Rotenberg pushed the Islanders' cause and the number of demolitions dwindled. In 1969, the Toronto Islands' Residents Association (TIRA) was formed. Still, by 1970 only 250 homes, on Ward's and Algonquin Islands, had escaped the bulldozer. The 1970s saw no further demolitions as the Metro Parks plans were thwarted by year-to-year leases and the changing of the guard on Toronto City Council to a group more sympathetic to the Islanders. In 1973, City Council voted 172 to preserve the community and transfer those lands back to the City. However, Metro Council remained opposed and the Islanders started legal challenges to Metro's plans in 1974 to delay Metro's plans of expropriation. By 1978, Metro Council had won several legal battles and had obtained 'writs of possession' for the 250 homes. At the time, a minority provincial Progressive Conservative government was in place with both the Liberals and NDP opposition parties in favour of the Islanders and the Islanders appealed to the provincial government, winning more time when the province agreed to act as mediator between the City and Islanders and Metro.[18]
Matters came to a head on July 28, 1980, when a sheriff sent to serve eviction notices to remaining residents was met at the Algonquin Island bridge by much of the community, whose leaders persuaded the sheriff to withdraw.[19] On July 31, the community won the right to challenge the 1974 evictions. The Islanders lost the challenge, but by this time, the province had started a formal inquiry headed by Barry Swadron into the Toronto Islands. On December 18, 1981, the province of Ontario passed a law legalizing the Islanders to stay until 2005. This kept the lands in Metro's ownership, to be leased to the City who would lease it to the Islanders.[20] Wrangling over the terms of the lease payments to Metro took several years.
The community's fight for survival was finally rewarded in 1993, when the Ontario Government passed the Toronto Islands Residential Community Stewardship Act, which enabled Islanders to purchase 99-year land leases from a Land Trust.[21]
Scuba
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(8,219 posts)I haven't been back over here for awhile.
Off looking for some truth about world events and such.