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Paradise Stolen - Don't Show Your Kids (Original Post) truth2power Feb 2015 OP
for later tnlurker Feb 2015 #1
Kick! 2naSalit Feb 2015 #2
Rec! 2naSalit Feb 2015 #3
left wing, right wing, or tail feathers List left Feb 2015 #4
A kick and a big R. zeemike Feb 2015 #5
What is Chinastrategies.com? They made and disseminate this film. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #6
Bulding the house on $60K is feasible localroger Feb 2015 #11
Those houses would be hard to duplicate today. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #12
I spent a lot of time on construction research localroger Feb 2015 #13
I hope that eventually you can build the house you want. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #14
It was a lot of fun localroger Feb 2015 #18
rich people Piasladic Feb 2015 #7
Powerful... gregcrawford Feb 2015 #8
One of the other Dem?Lib sites posted today on why war won't end. Hoppy Feb 2015 #9
That's the Toronto Islands, Toronto Canada JHB Feb 2015 #10
K&R Scuba Feb 2015 #15
TY, truth2power!!! Everyone needs to see this, everyone. mother earth Feb 2015 #16
thanks, motherearth, and everyone for reccing this... truth2power Feb 2015 #19
You have been missed. :) mother earth Feb 2015 #20
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #17

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
5. A kick and a big R.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:32 PM
Feb 2015

The math at the end speaks for itself...the psychopaths chose destruction over life every time.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
6. What is Chinastrategies.com? They made and disseminate this film.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:34 PM
Feb 2015

Welcome to China Strategies and the CSSL Group.

China Strategies/Sunland (CSSL Group) is a US-Chinese strategy and operations consulting firm. We have more than 20 years of experience assisting companies turn China’s comparative advantages and vibrant markets into growth opportunities. We are dedicated to providing realistic and proven solutions that build success in China’s constantly challenging business environment.


Because we are familiar with the challenges facing foreign companies operating in China, we focus on Risk Reduction rather than wide-eyed optimism based on China’s frantic economic development. As a result, our clients achieve their goals more efficiently and get to market faster.

Our clients include senior management at many privately and publicly held companies.

We maintain close relationships with senior Chinese business executives and government officials enabling deeper insights into regulatory and market trends to facilitate a wide range of opportunities.

http://www.china-strategies.com/

The film is pretty good, except I don't think you can build much of a house for $60,000. At least I don't think you can build houses as nice as those featured in the video for $60,000.

Something is amiss with this video.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
11. Bulding the house on $60K is feasible
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:05 PM
Feb 2015

The bigger problem is paying for the land it's sitting on. Most of the houses on the island were hand built so the major cost was labor, and if you're willing to write down sweat the construction materials in a conventional foundation clapboard house are in the $30K range unless it's huge or baroque.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
12. Those houses would be hard to duplicate today.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:01 PM
Feb 2015

Do you have a link for a house in the $30,000 range. I'd like to see what it would look like.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
13. I spent a lot of time on construction research
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:17 PM
Feb 2015

$30K would just be for the materials. Most of the cost of a modern house is labor and real estate. It's not hard to do the math and add it all up. I spent about 5 years very seriously considering building an experimental house and I looked into all kinds of alternative techniques like adobe and papercrete as well as traditional. At one time I had a really impressive spreadsheet but then the housing market collapsed and I realized I was basically stuck in the suburban tract home I can't sell now.

localroger

(3,629 posts)
18. It was a lot of fun
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 12:24 AM
Feb 2015

I was starting form a lot of lit from folks who were trying to save the world by providing cheap housing, such as the DomeBook 2 guys. The thing is now there's such a glut of housing in the US there will be no need for any of that for at least another generation. The problem is now political and social to get the homeless into the more than adequate abandoned homes waiting for them. That's a thing papercrete and adobe can't solve.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
9. One of the other Dem?Lib sites posted today on why war won't end.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 07:44 PM
Feb 2015

There is too much money in it. The last anti-war president was Carter. He lost for being soft on the commies. Clinton learned from that. Obama still promotes war. Hillary will promote war.

We are fucked.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
10. That's the Toronto Islands, Toronto Canada
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 07:51 PM
Feb 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Islands

At its peak in the 1950s, the Island residential community extended from Ward's Island to Hanlan's Point, and was made up of some 630 cottages and homes, in addition to such amenities as a movie theatre, a bowling alley, stores, hotels, and dance halls.[15] Not long after its creation in 1953, Metropolitan Toronto Council undertook to remove the community and replace it with parkland.[16] The construction of the Gardiner Expressway had removed many acres of recreational land along the Toronto waterfront, and the Islands lands were to replace the acreage. In 1955, after the City had transferred the lands to Metro, the new Metro Parks Department started to demolish homes and cottages whose lease had expired or whose lease holders gave up their leases. In 1959, the Metro Parks Department opened 'Far Enough Farm', and in 1967, opened the Centreville Amusement Park, along with a new public marina. In 1971, Metro Parks opened a new ferry terminal at the foot of Bay Street. Unlike the previous terminal, no waiting room was provided.[17] In 1976, the Trillium a 1910 paddle-wheeler ferry which had been abandoned in a lagoon, was refurbished and relaunched for use as an island ferry.
Toronto skyline in 2009 as seen from Centre Island Park

By 1963, all Islanders willing to leave the island had left and the remaining Islanders started to fight the plans of Metro to remove their homes. While demolitions still proceeded, the Islanders' alderman David Rotenberg pushed the Islanders' cause and the number of demolitions dwindled. In 1969, the Toronto Islands' Residents Association (TIRA) was formed. Still, by 1970 only 250 homes, on Ward's and Algonquin Islands, had escaped the bulldozer. The 1970s saw no further demolitions as the Metro Parks plans were thwarted by year-to-year leases and the changing of the guard on Toronto City Council to a group more sympathetic to the Islanders. In 1973, City Council voted 17–2 to preserve the community and transfer those lands back to the City. However, Metro Council remained opposed and the Islanders started legal challenges to Metro's plans in 1974 to delay Metro's plans of expropriation. By 1978, Metro Council had won several legal battles and had obtained 'writs of possession' for the 250 homes. At the time, a minority provincial Progressive Conservative government was in place with both the Liberals and NDP opposition parties in favour of the Islanders and the Islanders appealed to the provincial government, winning more time when the province agreed to act as mediator between the City and Islanders and Metro.[18]

Matters came to a head on July 28, 1980, when a sheriff sent to serve eviction notices to remaining residents was met at the Algonquin Island bridge by much of the community, whose leaders persuaded the sheriff to withdraw.[19] On July 31, the community won the right to challenge the 1974 evictions. The Islanders lost the challenge, but by this time, the province had started a formal inquiry headed by Barry Swadron into the Toronto Islands. On December 18, 1981, the province of Ontario passed a law legalizing the Islanders to stay until 2005. This kept the lands in Metro's ownership, to be leased to the City who would lease it to the Islanders.[20] Wrangling over the terms of the lease payments to Metro took several years.

The community's fight for survival was finally rewarded in 1993, when the Ontario Government passed the Toronto Islands Residential Community Stewardship Act, which enabled Islanders to purchase 99-year land leases from a Land Trust.[21]

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
19. thanks, motherearth, and everyone for reccing this...
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:03 PM
Feb 2015

I haven't been back over here for awhile.

Off looking for some truth about world events and such.



 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
17. K&R
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 12:14 PM
Feb 2015
- And they stole it all using the same system of governance and so-called ''rights'' that many are insisting also be used to fix it.

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