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KoKo

(84,711 posts)
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 08:52 PM Feb 2015

"Media Beating Drums of War...We've Heard it Before" & More STUFF--Another View

Media 'beating these drums of war over Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria – we've heard it before'...and our hackles start to rise..


Oliver Tickell, editor of The Ecologist magazine, talks to Going Underground host Afshin Rattansi about mainstream media distorting the truth. He feels that the depiction of Russia as the agressor in the Ukraine conflict is a view that goes unchallenged in a lot of media, and there are other narratives which can and should be put across. He points out other stories designed to support the view, like the Russian bombers in the English channel, which he describes as 'weak and unconvincing reporting' and says that no doubt we have aircraft near Russian borders, something which does not merit media coverage.

He says BBC guidelines are clear that they have to report impartially, and it has the reputation for being impartial, and he feels it should try and adhere to those principles. 'There's no particular reason to think that simply because we happen to be British that we are necessarily on the right side,' he warns, and part of being patriotic is criticising when we drift from 'fundamental principles of human decency.' His generation has been through the mainstream media beating the 'drums of war' over Iraq, Syria, Libya and others, and this is repeating over Russia, but the difference is that unlike the others, Russia has the capability to damage the West.

He thinks Russia is reluctant to be involved in this conflict, but if they continue to be attacked militarily, economically and diplomatically, the situation will continue to escalate 'in a way that could prove very dangerous indeed.' Governments like the US act as if they are reluctant to get involved but need to protect civilians, whilst the media cheers them to war, and they can become involved whilst appearing not to be bloodthirsty. He does feel that the growth of alternative media, with a greater diversity of views out there, means that mainstream media are struggling to build the kind of appetite for war that they used to be able to engender as a matter of course, citing the Parliamentary vote against bombing Syria after the chemical weapons attack as an example where public opinion pushed us away from war. There is a danger of drifting into war with Russia which is why it is so important to challenge the singular narrative put out by the mainstream and ensure that other points of view are out there, and the 'small influence' his magazine is able to have in this issue makes it worth carrying on.




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"Media Beating Drums of War...We've Heard it Before" & More STUFF--Another View (Original Post) KoKo Feb 2015 OP
lol RT accusing others of "distorting the truth" how fucking embarrassing is that uhnope Feb 2015 #1
Seriously? Bugenhagen Feb 2015 #5
K & R to you & RT! An important statement from above: mother earth Feb 2015 #2
NO drum beat for our own problems. L0oniX Feb 2015 #3
Funny how that works. zeemike Feb 2015 #4
If it all sounds "familiar" to you, remember THIS... jjewell Feb 2015 #6
Absolutely! maddiemom Feb 2015 #8
K&R DeSwiss Feb 2015 #7
Up to the Sochi swilton Feb 2015 #9
Very good assessment, I too think Putin is the perfect counter-weight to The West. DeSwiss Feb 2015 #10
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
1. lol RT accusing others of "distorting the truth" how fucking embarrassing is that
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:00 PM
Feb 2015

That earthquake you feel is Orwell spinning in his grave.
Putin sympathizers trying to blame the ONGOING war on anyone else. Drum beat of war? WTF? War is already going on. Russia is occupying other countries.

Bugenhagen

(151 posts)
5. Seriously?
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:57 AM
Feb 2015

I lost a quarter. I bet you'd reply "what else does comrade Putin want us to think?"

We do so much damned drum beating to war around here (the US) it makes me sick.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
2. K & R to you & RT! An important statement from above:
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 09:30 PM
Feb 2015
important to challenge the singular narrative put out by the mainstream and ensure that other points of view are out there, and the 'small influence' his magazine is able to have in this issue makes it worth carrying on
.


Oliver Tickell

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Oliver Tickell explaining his book Kyoto2 in the presence of Ed Miliband at Oxford Town Hall
Oliver Tickell is a British journalist, author and campaigner on health and environment issues, and author of the book Kyoto2 which sets out a blueprint for effective global climate governance.[1][2] His articles have been published in all the broadsheet newspapers and numerous magazines including New Scientist, New Statesman and The Economist. He is an experienced broadcaster on the BBC home and world services including "Today", "PM", "Costing the Earth", "Farming World" and "Farming Today". He studied physics at Oxford University and is a founding fellow of the Green Economic Institute
.[3]


Thank you, Koko, and I'm so glad that your source is RT, it goes to show all of us our own MSM is sure the hell not what it used to be, owned by what is it now, five companies that control and shape public opinion?



zeemike

(18,998 posts)
4. Funny how that works.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 12:52 AM
Feb 2015

As long as we are looking over there we don't have to look over here.
I have been hearing the drum beats for some time now...and this time it is not some small country that we can push over....but a nuclear power.
A very dangerous game the neo cons are playing.

jjewell

(618 posts)
6. If it all sounds "familiar" to you, remember THIS...
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 02:49 AM
Feb 2015

Last edited Tue Feb 10, 2015, 03:28 AM - Edit history (1)

“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.”
- Vice President Dick Cheney - August 26, 2002, National Convention of the Veterans of Foreign Wars...

You wanna discuss LIARS??? Watch THIS video:

#t=53

I refuse to equate Brian Williams' "personal puffery" about HIS "Iraq War Experiences" with the "ABSOLUTE LIES" that got the American people to SUPPORT the attack, invasion, and destruction of Afghanistan and Iraq in the FIRST DAMN PLACE.

Bear in mind that there were FIFTEEN SAUDI Nationals, TWO United Arab Emirates Nationals, ONE Egyptian and ONE Lebanese that actually took part in the 9/11 attacks.

ZERO IRAQIS NATIONALS, ZERO AFGHANI NATIONALS.

Brian Williams' "personal puffery" my ass...
 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
9. Up to the Sochi
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 12:28 PM
Feb 2015

Olympics, Putin was working to have Russia accepted by the world powers. The guest argues that Putin was reluctantly forced into this crisis.

For all the demonizing of Purin, for a Russian leader Russia has and could do worse....Russia would prefer a mature relationship with the West...Having said that when the Soviet Union collapsed and Boris Yeltsin took over as President of Russia (1991-99) there was a wholesale selloff of the Russian commons - aka shock therapy - as Russia rushed to embrace capitalism as a replacement for the failed communist economic system....Massive unemployment and inflation and many Russians longed for the good old days of the lost social safety net. With the inflation and the sale of public institutions there was vast amounts of money to be made and corresponding creation of wealth and inequality. Putin came to power by a more/less popular mandate to bring things under control. He has reined in some of the oligarchs but also befriended some...He does have economic challenges with the fall of oil prices but the conflict with the West has increased his popularity nationally and internationally...a good friend of Chirac and Gerhard Schroeder for example.

The issue with Ukraine is less about Ukraine and more about destabilizing Russia....toppling Putin, etc. The 'full spectrum dominance' "The cumulative effect of dominance in the air, land, maritime, and space domains and information environment that permits the conduct of joint operations without effective opposition or prohibitive interference." Small issues such as the Snowden affair, the opposition to the war with Syria, etc., meant that Russia would challenge (in very small ways imho) American hegemony. Furthermore, the US must count on long range control of Russian oil/gas resources.....

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
10. Very good assessment, I too think Putin is the perfect counter-weight to The West.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 05:36 PM
Feb 2015

Which is totally out of control. The bankers and 1% Creme' de la Creme' has skimmed off all the value of money possible from the fiat system, and now they're broke but refuse to admit it. Enter QE.

The crash has occurred but they refuse to let anyone know. They throw up BS happy numbers occasionally telling us of the ''recovery'' -- just to keep the rubes satisfied until next week, and those in the know quiet so they don't lose their shirts either. This House of Cards called the international monetary system hasn't got much further to go before it collapses under it's own weight.

However, none of today's leaders (including Putin) will get us to the place where we need to be. The systems we have in-place now are too antiquated and corrupted to do anything as anyone with their eyes open can see.

It was a good 'ol steed that brought a mighty long way. But it has served it's purpose and it is time to break from this ancient 200-year old horse and buggy idea and move onto something a little more electromagnetic and operating closer to the speed of light.

- Yet, in every major evolution in human history there has always been a catalyst that begins the process of transformation. In this case, thy name is Vladimir.

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