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Published on Jul 28, 2015
http://democracynow.org - In Honduras, as many as 25,000 people marched Friday demanding the resignation of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández. The protests come six years after a coup ousted Hondurass democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. In an exclusive interview, Zelaya talks about the new protest movement, the fallout from the 2009 coup, and Hillary Clintons role in his ouster. "On the one hand, [the Obama administration] condemned the coup, but on the other hand, they were negotiating with the leaders of the coup," Zelaya said. "And Secretary Clinton lent herself to that, maintaining that ambiguity of U.S. policy to Honduras, which has resulted in a process of distrust and instability of Latin American governments in relation to U.S. foreign policies." While the United States publicly supported Zelayas return to power, newly released emails show Clinton was attempting to set up a back channel of communication with Roberto Micheletti, who was installed as Honduran president after the coup. In one email, Clinton referenced lobbyist and former President Clinton adviser Lanny Davis. She wrote, "Can he help me talk w Micheletti?" At the time, Davis was working for the Honduran chapter of the Business Council of Latin America, which supported the coup. In another email, Thomas Shannon, the State Departments lead negotiator for the Honduras talks, refers to Manuel Zelaya as a "failed" leader.
think
(11,641 posts)and work to restore the lawfully elected president of Honduras.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)we only follow rules that people recognize in our propaganda and public statements. Privately, everything is on the table and most any democratic or other good principle is for sale if it fits some powerful interest.
think
(11,641 posts)is a another perfect example of this:
By MATTHEW ROSENBERG and JOE COCHRANEJULY 27, 2015
Human remains were retrieved on May 2 from a mass grave in Thailand's southern Songkhla Province near the border with Malaysia. Credit Damir Sagolj/Reuters
WASHINGTON With the Obama administration pushing to conclude a vast Asian trade pact, the State Department on Monday upgraded its assessment of Malaysias efforts to combat human trafficking, a move that could ease the countrys inclusion in the trade deal.
Though the human trafficking report from the State Department is released annually, this year it carries added weight because of the administrations desire to make final the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a trade agreement spanning the Pacific Rim.
Congress recently granted President Obama fast-track powers to complete negotiations on the deal, but it included a caveat that prohibited him from doing so with countries listed in Tier 3 of the State Department report that is, countries that are not making a significant effort to combat human trafficking....
Full article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/world/asia/thailands-low-ranking-in-human-trafficking-report-could-hamper-trade-deal.html
By Jason Szep, Patricia Zengerle and Matt Spetalnick - JUL 9, 2015 - 04:47
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States is upgrading Malaysia from the lowest tier on its list of worst human trafficking centres, U.S. sources said on Wednesday, a move that could smooth the way for an ambitious U.S.-led free-trade deal with the Southeast Asian nation and 11 other countries.
The upgrade to so-called "Tier 2 Watch List" status removes a potential barrier to President Barack Obama's signature global trade deal.
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The State Department last year downgraded Malaysia in its annual "Trafficking in Persons" report to Tier 3, alongside North Korea, Syria and Zimbabwe, citing "limited efforts to improve its flawed victim protection regime" and other problems.
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MALAYSIAN GRAVES
Lawmakers are working on a compromise that would let Malaysia and other countries appearing on a U.S. black-list for human trafficking participate in fast-tracked trade deals if the administration verified that they have taken concrete steps to address the most important issues identified in the annual trafficking report.The graves were found in an area long known for the smuggling of Rohingya and local villagers reported seeing Rohingya in the area, but Malaysia's Deputy Home (Interior) Minister Wan Junaidi Tuanku Jaafar has said it was unclear whether those killed were illegal migrants. The discovery took place after the March cut-off for the U.S. report.
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http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/exclusive---u-s--upgrades-malaysia-in-annual-human-trafficking-report--sources/41538528
By SYED ZAIN AL-MAHMOOD
July 26, 2015 1:55 p.m. ET
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The plantation where Mr. Rubel works is controlled by Felda Global Ventures, a semiautonomous company set up by Malaysias government and one of the largest producers of crude palm oil. Its customers, according to U.S. customs and shipping data, include Minnesota-based Cargill Inc., which resells the oil to multinationals such as Nestlé SA and Procter & Gamble Co.
Felda said workers on its plantations, nearly 85% of them foreigners, are afforded basic rights and earn the minimum wage. Cargill and its customers said they werent aware of alleged labor abuses on palm-oil plantations and would investigate.
Mr. Rubels employer is one of the labor contractors that supply much of Feldas workforce. It is while employed by contractors, rather than directly for Felda, that abuses such as the withholding of pay are most common, workers said.
They buy and sell us like cattle, said one 25-year-old Bangladeshi, who said he had been shunted among three contractors for six months without receiving any pay.
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The boats are still coming to Malaysia, despite the onset of monsoon season. The Thai coast guard in mid-June spotted several, each carrying more than 500 people it said were migrants on their way to Malaysia.
Full article:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/palm-oil-migrant-workers-tell-of-abuses-on-malaysian-plantations-1437933321
think
(11,641 posts)How Kissingeresque of her.....
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Just spreading a little love, I guess.
think
(11,641 posts)Declassified U.S. Documents Show Richard Nixon and Brazilian President Emilio Médici Discussed Coordinated Intervention in Chile, Cuba, and other Latin American nations "to prevent new Allendes and Castros"
Secret Back Channel established between Presidents
Brazilian General Accused U.S. of Asking Brazil to "do its dirty work"
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 282
Posted - August 16, 2009
Washington, D.C., August 16, 2009 - In December 1971, President Richard Nixon and Brazilian President Emilio Garrastazú Médici discussed Brazils role in efforts to overthrow the elected government of Salvador Allende in Chile, formerly Top Secret records posted by the National Security Archive today reveal. According to a declassified memorandum of conversation, Nixon asked Médici whether the Chilean military was capable of overthrowing Allende. He felt that they were , Médici replied, and made clear that Brazil was working toward this end.
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The memcon records Nixon telling Médici that he hoped we could cooperate closely, as there were many things that Brazil as a South American country could do that the U.S. could not. Indeed, the documentation reveals that Nixon believed that a special relationship with Brazil was so important that he proposed a secret back-channel between the two presidents as a means of communicating directly outside of normal diplomatic channels. Médici named his private advisor and foreign minister Gibson Barbosa as his backchannel representative, but told Nixon that for extremely private and delicate matters Brazil would use Col. Manso Netto. Nixon named Kissinger as his representative for the special back channel.
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In 2002, National Security Archive analyst Carlos Osorio posted a declassified Top Secret memorandum of conversation of Nixons meeting with British Prime Minister Edward Heath dated December 20, 1971, during which the two discussed Brazils role in South America. Our position is supported by Brazil, which is after all the key to the future, states Nixon, The Brazilians helped rig the Uruguayan election... There are forces at work which we are not discouraging."
http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB282/
uhnope
(6,419 posts)think
(11,641 posts)and used while the military coups took place.
Were the circumstances identical? No. But the results both ended with a democratically elected official being overthrown while the SoS was using back channels to communicate with those involved in the coups....
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)This one is much better
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)jalan48
(13,859 posts)Especially at the end where the military is shown removing Zelaya and other protesters from the National Congress. Transnational corporate pressure for 'regime change'. Where have we heard this before?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Thank god for people like Amye Goodman and Democracy Now.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)It's been only about an hour since you posted the OP. The gatekeepers will be along shortly. *sigh*
You are truly a "Submarine in the Desert". (It's a good thing.) It refers to 'that which shall be named'. There are many of us out there.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 29, 2015, 12:02 PM - Edit history (1)
Let. Sec. Clinton 'splain her actions/inactions relative to the imposition and maintenance of what can only be regarded as fascism in Honduras and elsewhere around the hemisphere.
DLnyc
(2,479 posts)It seems to me that US labor unions have not always been great at allying with labor movements in other counties. But I would argue that labor rights (or lack thereof) in low-wage countries have a very direct effect on wages here.
I don't think I've heard very much from Bernie on international relations. When he does get to it, I hope he emphasizes the connection between these right wing coups and the corporate oligarchs here and around the world!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)"white progressivesTM" who have to be humbled, brought to heel, made to apologize
are the Garífuna not "Black"? are Honduras's brutalized and murdered women and transsexuals and gay men not in the groups that Sanders is "ignoring"?
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DLnyc
(2,479 posts)Perhaps this would be a good time for them to change course and lend support to the people of Honduras, rather than the criminal banksters of the world.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)And once she's elected (but not before!), she'll tell us why.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Can that be said of any other Secretary of State? That might very well make her the worst SoS in the entire history of the United States.
DLnyc
(2,479 posts)I don't think I heard about this before.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)The White House had to walk it back as they were (and by extension, the United States was) not recognizing the legitimacy of the new Honduran government. And there was at least one other time she made some remark on a Middle Eastern matter that the White House disavowed.
And then, of course, there was the Special Envoy to the Middle East. He reported to State before Obama took office. Obama had the Envoy bypass State and report directly to the White House his first term in office. As soon as Kerry was sworn in as Secretary of State, Obama had the Envoy moved back to State!
That is probably the most damning evidence that Hillary's position at State was purely a political horse trade. She works for his election after the convention. He gives her State shorn of the most serious responsibility.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)and much to do with geopolitical and economic manipulation.
Just because we have the capability to fuck with other countries is not a good reason to do so. The US has been using not only Machiavellian and anti democratic methodologies but has been using promises of personal wealth (essentially bribery) to create alliances.
This does not work and is actually quietly destroying the basis of growing cleaner democracies.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)come out (the same who said Reagan was a pinko after 1987 and said annually the USSR was plotting an overthrow 1992-5), then they went and said "look at all the righties who say the White House's pro-Zelaya," then they said the DoS COULDN'T ever have anything to do with it before or after the fact, and then they said--
iandhr
(6,852 posts)This "legitimate leader" tried end term limits and the courts in Honduras said it was illegal and then he was ousted after he didn't comply.
If a right wing leader did this no one would be defending him here.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)They claimed, without evidence, that he discussed that in a private conversation. He denied it, and never did try to circumvent term limits.
Nice try though.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)Ah got it. I am supposed to take him at his word.
I guess LA leaders never blame America for the problems they created then.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Just a concocted story. He managed to piss off the wrong businessmen and North American countries.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)there are two possibilities
1. A president supposedly says something in private about ending term limits. His government is overthrown by the military.
2. His enemies make something up and his government is overthrown by the military.
and your response is "Ah got it. I am supposed to take him at his word"?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)It seems to me that a center-left politician took over in place of Zelaya. That doesn't sound much like the kind of coup that the US helped cause in Chile way back in the bad old days.
Also, Zelaya was fiddling with the Constitution to dispose of term limits. In Central America, that equals president-for-life. How is Zelaya a fallen hero?
Zelaya is alive and free to have a chat with Amy Goodman. Again, what kind of coup is this, anyway?
In fact, what Zelaya seems to be complaining about is that the US did not interfere in Honduran politics enough--that the US should have used force to stop his ouster.
think
(11,641 posts)And bullshit on all your other unsubstantiated allegations.....
uhnope
(6,419 posts)What BS are you calling on me?
Roberto Micheletti is not center-left?
Zelaya is not alive and well and serving in parliament and appearing on Democracy Now with Amy Goodman?
Zelaya was not fiddling with the Constitution?
Sorry, aren't these all facts?
I'm no fan of Clinton but it seems to me that the US was using its presence to manage the conflict and make sure it didn't turn into a bloody civil war or something.
Honestly, I don't get it. It seems like CTers living in the past really want the US to be orchestrating evil coups.
think
(11,641 posts)he "fiddled" with the constitution.
Did Clinton call out the coup like the United Nations General Assembly?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Zelaya's ouster?
Do some research please
think
(11,641 posts)It was a ballot issue.
HUGE difference....