Ed Speaks

[zebonaut]

MSNBC is slowly turning republican; they get rid of their very best Liberal hosts; Olbermann and Ed Schultz. What the F are they thinking? $$ Here comes the Chuck Todd Hour. WTF???

[PatrickforO]

1. Comcast doesn't have any need for

someone who champions workers and opposes 'free' trade. Ed is now 'obsolete' just like that character in the old Twilight Zone.

It is called oligarchy, and the oligarchs control our information.

The 'different' direction they are going is to the right.

[jwirr]

32. Amen. As to controlling our information - I read that new leak about the TPP today and one of the

things that is in it is about the web. I am not an expert about the internet but I would guess it is about net neutrality. Can't get us one way they are going to try another.

I for one will be watching Ed on the site he gave us.

Love you Ed.

[think]

2. TY for posting. Good to hear from Ed. Will be checking on him at WeGotEd.com

[Plucketeer]

3. What a guy!

Did I hear correctly - that Pat [fulla BS] Buchannan is gonna help fill out MSNBCs day? If that's true, they'd have done better just to run more "Lockup" time that bring that bozo on board. Screw Pat, screw MSNBC & ConCast and Morning Joke. One more reason to dump DirectTV.

[Divernan]

79. Ed Schultz is one class act!

[RufusTFirefly]

4. Er...

Anyone who truly believed that MSNBC would remain a "liberal voice" was deluding themselves about how large corporations work. They don't give a shit about your political views. They care about profit and their own survival. If they can profit off of naive liberals, so be it. But if those same voices become a threat to their bottom line, they will quickly change course. There's really nothing mysterious about it at all.

The only trustworthy news sources are ones that are truly listener or viewer supported. (Sorry, folks, that definitely does NOT include National Petroleum Radio. "Underwriting" is simply an Orwellian term for advertising.)

Some of the few examples of listener/viewer supported media include

Pacifica stations, such as KPFA
The Real News Network
and the heroic, independently syndicated
Democracy Now!

With nearly everything else, you're deluding yourself if you deny the fact that when push comes to shove, ostensibly "liberal" networks will operate in their own interest, not yours.

Media, like government, can only be assured of serving our interests when we truly own it.

[appalachiablue]

7. Include FSTV (Free Speech TV) online or via Dish and Direct with 'Democracy Now!",

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Thom Hartmann's program, Mike Papantonio & friends on Rof- Ring of Fire, Stephanie Miller, David Pakman, Bill Press, Gay USA, Sonali News, and excellent documentaries. Anybody who thinks 'Net Neutrality' will remain is also naïve. Internet content will be packaged into groups/topics like cable, and for which we'll have to pay more. That won't harm some, but it will definitely impact most working Americans.

July 29, Thom Hartmann: Net Neutrality is under assault again.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017282496

[RufusTFirefly]

10. Thank you! These are excellent additions!

I'm not a TV watcher (other than on the Internet), so I was reluctant to comment authoritatively on TV. (Didn't realize I could watch FSTV online. I should've guessed.)

[appalachiablue]

21. Here you go Firefly, TH is on now at the FSTV LINK livestream:

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FREE SPEECH TV, Livestream the THOM HARTMANN PROGRAM, M-F, 12-3 PM ET, and Many Other Programs & Documentaries. See Program Schedules online.

~ Free Speech TV website:
https://www.freespeech.org/
_________

Watch Segments of Thom's other 1-hour evening program, 'THE BIG PICTURE', M-F, weeknights, 7 & 10 PM ET shown on RT, Russia Today News, at his website,

~ Thom Hartmann website:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/

'THE BIG PICTURE', 'Conversations with Great Minds' Segment 7/30/15


__________




Watch Mike Papantonio's RING OF FIRE on his website, and also FSTV online or via Dish or Direct TV.

Ring of Fire Radio website:
http://www.ringoffireradio.com/

Recent RoF Segment on MSM and No TPP Coverage


___________
ETA




Amy Goodman's global independent news program, "DEMOCRACY NOW!" is 1 hour, M-F, and can be viewed at the website, democracynow.org, and also LIVESTREAM at *freespeechtv.org and on some PBS TV stations. Lots of options.

DEMOCRACY NOW! website:
http://www.democracynow.org/





- Some view these programs with a *ROKU Box -

[RufusTFirefly]

23. Excellent! Thanks!

[appalachiablue]

25. Some Bernie Party Refreshments for DU supporters! Forgot to mention, some watch TH & others

with a ROKU Box about which I know nada-

[JDPriestly]

35. Thanks. Bookmarking.

[appalachiablue]

39. To add, you saw my comment about a ROKU Box. We usually watch Thom's programs, Amy G.'s

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daily afternoon 'Democracy Now!', Sonali, Ring of Fire, and other programs on DISH TV. If out of town, we follow shows livestream on the websites. There's also many segment videos posted on their sites, or on YouTube. Lots of options.

Thom and Louise have been living in DC since 2010 I think, and they use the local RT, Russia Today news studio there for his evening 1-hr. "THE BIG PICTURE" show which is excellent. We also watch it nightly, 7 PM ET & 10 repeat on DISH TV which carries RT, BBC, Al Jazeera, and more televised overseas news broadcasts.

[merrily]

52. +1 Thanks

[raouldukelives]

50. +1 to that. nt

[merrily]

51. MSNBC was never a liberal voice. It was a Republican voice when Bush was in office. It began

morphing when his approval ratings went below 40. Then, it went pro-Obama/Democratic Establishment. I don't know when the Democratic establishment was last liberal. Maybe never.

[Botany]

5. 100% class

Class Big Ed ..... nothing but class.

[polichick]

6. Thanks - I'll have to visit wegoted.com - buh bye msnbc.

[Freelancer]

8. How about a Sanders-Schultz ticket in 2016! -- nt

[appalachiablue]

41. Great idea. Or, Pres. Sanders can make ED SCHULTZ Communications Director! 'Media CZAR'!

Thom Hartmann says Democratic presidential contender Bernie Sanders drew 5,000 at a speech in heavily Republican LOUISIANA and there was no mention of it on mainstream broadcast news.

Thom Hartmann,*'THE BERNIE NEWS BLACKOUT CONTINUES', July 30, 2015.

Click the LINK to follow Full Episodes from the Thom Hartmann Program:
https://www.freespeech.org/collection/thom-hartmann-program

[merrily]

53. Yep. Media has been working hard against Bernie.

I thought it took a lot of effort to ignore Occupy Wall Street for as long as media ignored it, but their coverage of Bernie is making their coverage of Occupy Wall Street look great. It's either silence or condescending snark or a hit piece. Very few exceptions.

[Blue_Adept]

9. It certainly wasn't because of his ratings

I mean, I like Ed and I used to listen to him daily when I drove the hour home from work in the afternoons. He brought an interesting perspective to things with his midwest origins and all.

I watched his show a bit, but I'm not a TV watcher when it comes to this stuff because of the filters that have to be put through it. It's simply not how I prefer to digest my news.

MSNBC has huge ratings problems no matter what. They aren't able to fix it because the whole thing across all the news networks are structurally corrupted. So it's just rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

[zebonaut]

16. MSNBC's ratings are in the Toilet because they made Chris Hayes a "major personality"

he should be a guest; not a host

[merrily]

54. Overall, MSNBC stinks. They cover the same stories in almost the same way from the start of the

their programming day until the end. And, the perspective either Republican or center right. None of it is honest.

Chris Matthews is played out and becoming a caricature of himself. Spitting, talking over people, references that are so out of date. I'm in Boston, where buildings are named after him, but how many young people in Wyoming even know Tip O'Neill?

Watching Lawrence O'Donnell is like watching paint dry.

Rachel is smart, but she needs more guests on her show. An hour watching her smirk at the camera while she overexplains every detail--I haven't been able to watch her in a while.

Ed Shultz was the only one who "strayed" some and he's gone.

Chuck Toad, Brian Make It Up as You Go Along Williams? What a formula for success!

[Bohunk68]

62. What you said.

+1,000

[MoonchildCA]

77. I agree about their all-day programming.

I like a lot of their hosts, at least their former hosts, but if I see a program in the morning, there's no reason to see the same stories rehashed by different people over and over again all day, sometimes day after day. It's like torture.

If they want to change up their programming, it's not about the people, it's about the content.

Alex Wagner's morning show was good (I'm on the West Coast). It at least had a different format then the other shows, and I miss it.

I'd love to see a couple of old-fashion news programs, with just reporting top stories, and less opinion thrown in, and maybe an hour or two of human interest stories highlighting current issues.

Right now it's one, two, or three top stories discussed over and over again, every hour, by every personality, and a sprinkling of "experts" brought in to really shake things up.

Jeez, I want to reach for my remote just thinking about it!

[mentalslavery]

11. class act

thats ed

[Cheese Sandwich]

12. Phil Donahue, Keith Olberman, Cenk Uygur, Ed Schultz....

All cut for being too something, too much speaking against power.

Can't rely on MSNBC for news and info. Got to make sure to include some outside sources.

[Enthusiast]

15. PLUS ONE, a huge bunch!

[Leith]

13. That Is Graciousness Personified

Ed's one of the best. He tells it like it is and says what he thinks. Fortunately I agree with almost everything.

[Enthusiast]

14. We love you, Ed! Now get after those walleye!

[madamesilverspurs]

18. Ratings.

MSNBC jettisons their best people in order to compete against CNN and Fox. Had they gotten rid of Griffin instead, could be that CNN and Fox would be straining to catch up.

[L0oniX]

19. So many stupid people ...need news they can relate to.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

48. Then there are the ones who need the news explained to them.

[L0oniX]

82. IMO Ed is being removed because people don't want to listen to smart people because...

it makes them feel dumb. Undoubtedly other networks are taking note and changing to suit the desires of the stupid.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

83. I'm surprised he survived the Walker recall....

He got people all fired up only to be disappointed.

Usually, that costs you fans.

[PBass]

20. He should lead into (or follow) Rachel Maddow's show.

I'm pretty sure that's where MSNBC had him before, and he was getting good ratings then.

[bonniebgood]

22. don't have cable just internet where i watched ED guess I can

catch-up on my reading from 5 -8 until they can Rachel.

[appalachiablue]

24. Thanks ED! For all you do & we'll be following you. You're The Best! Have some Bernie Party Cake!

[George II]

26. Wasn't Ed a right winger when it suited him?

[RufusTFirefly]

27. Didn't Hillary vote for the IWR, the Defense of Marriage Act, and to criminalize flag-burning?

I'm not an Ed fan, but if you don't believe that people can "evolve" then you should probably change your avatar.

[George II]

30. What does Hillary Clinton (OR my avatar) have to do with Ed Schultz and his cancellation?

[merrily]

56. She has a lot to do with being rightist when it suits her and that has a lot to do with your post

#26, Rufus Firefly's post was directly responsive to your Reply 26, which didn't have much to do with Ed's cancellation, either. Ed has not been a Republican in a long time and his Republican past certainly was not the reason for his cancellation by MSNBC, which loves it some rightists.

[merrily]

55. She advocated AND voted for the Iraq Invasion, voted for the Patriot Act and sponsored two flag

desecration bills, and more. However, she did not have a vote on DOMA. She was First Lady then.

[RufusTFirefly]

64. Thanks for the clarifications, merrily!

You're so right on all counts. As for DOMA, I was mixing that up with HRC's 2004 Senate floor speech, defending marriage as a sacred institution between a man and a woman.

[merrily]

65. You're welcome. I am ashamed to say that I wasn't even aware of her 2004 Senate floor speech.

That was about the time of the first equal marriage law in the United States, that of Massachusetts. (Vermont was the first to enact civil union.)

November 18, 2003: The Massachusetts Supreme Court rules in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health, a case brought by Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, that the state constitution mandates the freedom to marry for same-sex couples. Three months later, the Court reaffirms its decision, stating that only marriage - not separate and lesser mechanisms, such as civil union - sufficiently protects same-sex couples and their families.

May 17, 2004: Massachusetts becomes the first state in the United States to allow same-sex couples to share in the freedom to marry. Marriage opponents attempt to amend the constitution to strip away the freedom to marry, but the amendment is defeated on June 14, 2007, when over 75 percent of the state legislature votes to stand up for all families.

The Mass. Supreme Judicial Court had given the legislature a limited period of time after the Goodridge decision to act. The Legislature wanted to go civil union, but BOTH right wingers and LGBT rights activists opposed it, which took massive courage on the part of the latter, so the legislature dropped it and did nothing. The decision in Goodridge then became final, giving Massachusetts the distinction of being the first state in the nation to recognize equal marriage.

As a result of your information, I have amended this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12777603

[RufusTFirefly]

72. That's an excellent list

I think HRC's supporters need to realize that those of us who oppose her aren't "haters." Nor are we naive about the imperfection of all politicians (indeed, of all people) and the cold, harsh realities of the American political process. Speaking for myself, my objections are fundamental as is my firm (and realistic) belief that we can do better.

[merrily]

73. It's not about what they realize or don't realize or pretend not to realize.

I'm over all that. Nothing turns on it anyway.

[RufusTFirefly]

74. Point taken

Our goal should be to make the world a better place, not to assuage the feelings and answer the reckless accusations of a bitter, thin-skinned group.

[merrily]

76. They have their agenda and their marching orders. I don't have a need to buy into into any of it.

[George II]

66. No specifics, of course.

[merrily]

67. ? The post to which you replied is nothing but specifics.

[George II]

68. Talking points, thank you.

[merrily]

69. Her Senate votes and speeches are talking points now? LOL!

You sure changed your story from "no specifics" fast, too.

The post to which you replied contained nothing but specific facts and no talking points whatsoever. So far, you are 0 for 2.

[George II]

70. I'll go over it again - specifics please?

[merrily]

71. Well, now, you're 0 for 3. That means you're out.

And so am I. You may enjoy posting in circles. It doesn't interest me.

[George II]

80. First sign of not having any specifics.

[merrily]

81. My reply #55, contains specific facts and only specific facts.

Ergo, none of your replies since Reply 55 have made a lick of sense.

Apparently, you're committed to literally and figuratively doubling down on not making sense. Most DUers would have known to stop digging, but, please, be my guest. Enjoy.

[rhett o rick]

78. It seems it's much easier to ask an insinuating question than actually gather facts and make

a statement.

Big Eddy was removed from MSNBC because he was an outspoken supporter of unions and an outspoken supporter of the people's choice for President. He was too progressive and against the corporate domination of America. I assume you are happy to see him go for all those same reasons.

[George II]

88. I have gathered facts, and that was the basis of my "ininuating question"...

http://www.salon.com/2011/04/14/ed_schultz_right_wing_past/

Thursday, Apr 14, 2011 08:28 AM EDT

The forgotten right-wing past of Ed Schultz

"The right-wing version of Schultz opposed abortion in all circumstances, mocked homeless people by sneering, “How about getting a job?” and proclaimed that “I’d like to see the president get all the illegals out of the country, so we can start all over again.” And in an homage to Limbaugh, Schultz would tell listeners that he was broadcasting from “high atop” the studios of his Fargo radio station."

[rhett o rick]

89. You've still not mentioned your opinion. I guess you don't like Big Ed. I thought you just

didn't like unions. Hard to tell when you make insinuations and not a case.

Personally I am not a big fan of Big Ed but I will support him against the crush of big brother corporatism. How do you feel about corporatism?

[George II]

90. Where did you get the idea that I don't like unions? That is patently false and offensive.

As a matter of fact, over my 45 year career I belonged to three different unions, two of my siblings belonged to unions, my father was one of the first white members of the Pullman Porters union (google them for background) - I and my family have a long history of belonging to and supporting unions. Again, for you to say otherwise based on trying to "win" a debate and not on anything I ever said is offensive and insulting.

I didn't "insinuate" anything about Schultz being a right-winger in the past, I said it outright and posted a few of his gems to prove his past political leaning.

I'm sure a retraction or apology for your insult won't be forthcoming, but thanks in advance.

[rhett o rick]

91. I couldn't tell from your post where you stood on unions. I assumed from your insinuation

that you didn't like Big Ed and you were here to make that clear. And since Big Ed was the biggest spokesperson for unions

I love your emoticons. The Bernie Bounce is catching on.

[George II]

92. You couldn't tell from my post but you went ahead and said I don't like unions anyway?

Who knows, maybe I don't like overweight men? Maybe I don't like men from Virginia? Maybe I don't like men with full heads of hair (I'm bald) There are lots of things you could have latched onto, but you chose something totally off-base and again, insulting.

[panfluteman]

28. Even Rachel Maddow Ain't What She Used to Be.

She used to be so boldly liberal and progressive, like telling it like it is about the big heist of money upwards from the 99% to the 1% after the big crash of '08. Now, she spends way, way too much time covering the clown car candidates of the Republican party. I suppose she saw the writing on the wall and decided to change with the times and adapt to the new incoming regime. And she figures, probably, that she can sometimes slip a few liberal and progressive words in between the lines, kind of in dog whistles or something like that. Sooo sad!

[juxtaposed]

43. it's sad but so true,,, Maddow was my opium on a friday night when she first started

I would look forward to viewing her weeks shows when I got into town. Things change and ppl become owned..

[merrily]

57. Attacking Republicans OR Democrats is easy. Telling the truth about all politics is not popular.

Truth about all politics is what all Americans need desperately, but no one is offering that.

[Dawson Leery]

29. If Cable Monopoly (Comcast) NBC really wanted ratings,

they would be in their knees begging for Donahue and Olbermann to return.

[merrily]

58. From the enthusiastic crowds that Bernie has been drawing, it's clear what Americans want and need

to hear. If it were about political news, journalism or truth, the things Bernie is saying is what we would be hearing on the airwaves. If it were even just about ratings, the things Bernie is saying is what we would be hearing on the airwaves. However, it's about being in service to the agendas of big business and the billionaires.

[Gloria]

31. The irony is for all the Hillary critics...

it was she who had the big party at her house, invited liberal talkers and recruited Ed.
She was roundly criticized at the time because he was considered to be too "centrist."

So, don't ever judge a book by it's cover. Ed changed his mind on various issues and when he did, he became a full-throated supporter of many progressive issues.

To me, he was the Dem answer to Rush Limpballs...he had the voice, the energy, and the fire...

He will be sorely missed!

[RoccoR5955]

40. Sorry, but the REAL answer to Rush Limpballs

is none other than Mike Malloy. Give his show a listen some weeknight from 9-midnight at www.mikemalloy.com
Believe me, he's no Ed. Much more radical.

[tokenlib]

42. Love a Malloy tirade! A bit too much for some people..n/t

[Gloria]

49. Mike Malloy is in an entirely different class...

Ed Schultz, the big burly guy with the booming voice quality and "folksy" feel really does seem to be the obverse of the coin, with Rush on the other side. I'm talking more "style" here...

Malloy is an entirely different type....and I adore him! I remember how the union used to fund his show....
remember Peter Werbe?? I think they funded this whole group of talkers before Air America.

By the way, Head on Radio is struggling every day to meet the bills. I listen when I can...it's more desultory and callers stay on the line for ages....it does grow on you!

[RoccoR5955]

75. I listen, AND DONATE to Head On Radio, when I can

Unfortunately, not as often as I would like to.

[merrily]

59. LOL!

[JDPriestly]

33. I love Ed Schultz. We Got Ed.com Remember that.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

34. Chuckie got the 5PM slot. I assume that means he's off MTP.

[totodeinhere]

45. No, they have announced that he will do both shows. n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

47. I wonder who he's banging to get all that....

Especially when they still have Tom Brokaw available.

Don't mind me, I still remember the days when news was dull. People like Bernard Shaw on CNN weren't there to give us their take. He read the copy and nobody CARED what his opinion was on a story.

[merrily]

61. I wondered how Toad got any high visibility job at all in broadcasting. Read his wiki.

The competition in a field like his has to be fierce. There have to be hundreds smarter, better qualified, etc. than he is, yet he got the jewel in the crown of TV talking heads shows?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

84. He knows his place in the Beltway.....

Suck up to Republicans and challenge Democrats.

[merrily]

85. Many more qualified than Todd would be more than willing to do the same and more to host MTP.

And then, there's the salary.

[zebonaut]

87. Corporate America tries to kill Liberal MSNBC right before the next election....

[merrily]

60. That doesn't mean that they don't have plans to ease him out of one or the other.

Unseasoned oatmeal has more personality than he does, and certainly more integrity. And it's just about as incisive. He's worse than Gregory, not better.

[ladjf]

36. They are almost done. A couple of more firings and we'll have FOXLITE. nt

[turbinetree]

37. And just think of this...................

just recently on Ring of Fire----------- Mike and Fallon had a very good discussion about others from the past days, now employed at MSNBC and how many times they spoke about the TPP issue currently -------------that says a lot, right there------- a lot.
And they spoke about how much Shultz mentioned Sanders fighting for "principles" on the issues like TPP and other worker issues , and how this oligarchy and others sitting at the table in the TPP negotiations called Comcast/ NBC (now in Hawaii) support having slave workers in another country called Malaysia as a trading partner ---just think of one of your "slogans" of hypocrisy MSNBC/NBC/Comcast---- "Our Pride is Showing"---------it sure is

And what's really classic which the public has yet to hear, is if "any" of the other "personalities" backed or spoke up in Shultz behalf--------------my answer is Nope, Nada, Zilch-------------they have it some respects compromised those "principles".

Now MSNBC is going to bring back a person that inflated his claim to what he thinks his ethos of credibility is for ego when he was in Louisiana and in Iraq, and another hack that spews right wing rhetoric every Sunday on Meet the Misinformation non-credible Press, and then there is one racist by the bigot from the Nixon era coming back spewing his glee at another platform-------------way to go MSNBC/Comcast/NBC--------------you got all the bases covered---------------just like Fix Noise




Hello-------------- Free Speech TV Democracy Now and GoLeftv, think I will donate my hard earned money to a democratic system of news and information, that is not compromised-----------for basic greeeeeeeeeeeeed and just maybe they can get the push they need to be on local stations that we own


Honk-----------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[libodem]

38. wegoted.com

Good to know. He did that with dignity and grace.

[totodeinhere]

46. God bless Ed. He is taking what happened with class and grace. And he is right.

That's the business. Most shows eventually get cancelled. But I'm sure that Ed will land on his feet somewhere else. The main thing I like about Ed is his unwavering support for the best interests of the average American worker. We need to continue to have his voice and I'm sure that we will.

[INdemo]

63. Doesnt anyone remember when

Obama made a direct comment about MSNBC and a commentator that was "wrong about the TPP"
Shortly after that Ed and Bernie discussed the fact the Obama was directing his comment toward Ed.
After that show Ed toned down his comments as well as Rachel.
I had a feeling that after the comments from Ed about the TPP (and they were pretty harsh) Comcast would be giving Ed his walking papers.
Also if anyone paid attention Mathews took on a whole new set of negative comments about Bernie and began praising Hillary using phony examples.

So its obvious that Comcast wants to promote a Republican or a Republican.

[MrMickeysMom]

86. I'll follow you lots better, Ed... off amessNBC...

I quit watching the mess after Keith left…