Monterrey, Mexico: An inside look where Carrier Jobs are going

[Donkees]

Published on Apr 26, 2016
Monterrey, Mexico: A city of 1 million people that's about to get 1,400 new jobs taken from an Indianapolis Carrier plant. This is a look at what that city can do that Indy can't, and what life is like there.

[Delver Rootnose]

1. And if you think any politician....

...is going to do anything about this yo are fooling yourself. Bernie might of, trump claims he will but I really doubt it. Clinton. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. She will just trot out the old canard about training for new technology jobs, which are also getting off shored or filled by producing h1b visas.

The core of the current political strife if this. We are getting screwed. At some point it will blow up to the point where the powers that be can't control it and then the police state will come. In many ways we are already there with intelligence organizations targeting and infiltrating political organizations. Under the premise that they are violent and need watching. Yet political routs are forclosed because we are only offered the choices they allow us.

[oberliner]

2. What jumped out for me

Was when they said that Mexican workers are concerned that they will lose these jobs because the $3 per hour salary they are being paid is higher than what companies can pay in other countries, such as in part of Asia.

How are US companies supposed to continue having manufacturing jobs that pay $23 an hour when their competitors in Asia can pay less than $3 an hour? Unless US consumers are willing to pay higher prices for American goods, or substantial tariffs are placed on goods outside the US, there is no way for American manufacturing to survive at all.

[Ex Lurker]

4. If it's any consolation, the robots will eventually take everyone's jobs

What happens when nobody can afford to buy the cheap goods because nobody has a job, has never been satisfactorily explianed.

[colorado_ufo]

12. Can't pay more for goods when you haven't had a raise in years.

[Baobab]

17. Automation. Ten or twenty $23 / hour jobs are better than no jobs at all.

>How are US companies supposed to continue having manufacturing jobs that pay $23 an hour when their competitors in Asia can pay less than $3 an hour?

Automation

>Unless US consumers are willing to pay higher prices for American goods, or substantial tariffs are placed on goods outside the US, there is no way for American manufacturing to survive at all.

It will survive but we all need to understand that unskilled and most skilled jobs are going away globally.

That means getting an advanced education is literally a life or death matter. People with an advanced education and in demand skills will likely be able to find work, even if the pay is eventually $3/hour.

They wont be alone in their poverty, the whole planet will be unemployed and living off of their savings or investments.


Read the paper in my signature file. That's what we're doing, globally. The other side of it is a global temping program, which will lower wages. Its been in the pipeline for 20 years.

So save money now. For yourself and all your descendants.

[KG]

3. please, DU free trade pimps, please tell us how wonderful this all is

[MisterP]

11. "I'm doing well: y'all must be doing something wrong"

[Baobab]

18. Its not supposed to be wonderful for the losers, however, its alleged to be more efficient

Read LABOR MOBILITY by Sherry Stephenson and Gary Hufbauer


The logic of shipping labor intensive work elsewhere goes that Americans can then concentrate on the high margin businesses, like smart bombs and leave the low margin industries to others. The economic s of mass production means that one highly automated factory can often supply the whole planet's need for a given product. Its becoming more and more like that. because the rate of change in technology is accelerating exponentially, it will be here before we know it. We need to start planning for the work-less world.

All deals that sign away rights forever like the several pending trade deals should be barred and voided out.

[gregcrawford]

5. I am about to buy a new air conditioner...

... it will NOT be made by Carrier.

FUCK corporatism.

[cheapdate]

6. Good luck.

As far as I can tell, every brand of air conditioner is assembled from mostly foreign parts.

From the thread, 'Which furnaces and A/C are made in the USA' over at http://hvac-talk.com/:

'Lots of stuff is made here. But not much of the insides. Honeywell & White-Rodgers stuff are almost all Mexican. Might find some boards made by UTEC (Carrier) that are US but not the rest. All the switches, motors, etc are all 3rd world countries. Haven't seen a US made motor in some time. York has a big factory south of the border, not sure what all is made there. So does Carrier, Rheem, Trane & Lennox. Get used to it, our factory workers want $15-20 an hour. Mexicans want a fraction of that. But our factory workers (and all consumers) don't want to pay for an American made product.

Ingersoll Rand's new builder A/C will have a Chinese coil and in many sizes a Mexican compressor. But they aren't an American company anyway.

Being a Goodman/Amana dealer and having toured the factory as well, I can state they most positively have chinese (they call them "broad ocean&quot fan motors, Chinese reversing valves and service valves. Also they have chinese capacitors and even the contactor is Chinese. The raw massive rolls of 3/8 copper were ...not to my suprise Chinese . Ive never seen such thin copper. The pressure controls, Copeland compressor, and drier are Emerson (And Mexican as I understand). Most of the workers at the plants are Asian and Latin as well. The only Americans there run the place. I hope at least that the raw steel the cabinets are stamped out of come from America, but who knows. So my conclusion is this. Goodman units are assembled in the USA with Asian and Latin Parts by Asian and Latin people. But if anyone asks, Its in huge letters on condensor boxes....... MADE IN USA.

[gregcrawford]

14. Okay...

... point taken; Thanks for the info. I pretty much knew that would be the case. But I stand by my closing phrase.

[cheapdate]

15. Hey, I'm with you 100%.

I'm deeply, ethically and politically opposed to this "globalization". In my view, it amounts to theft and oppression.

But, hell, for all I know Carrier might be one of the "good guys" in the industry. For all I know, they might have held out in Indiana long after any other U.S. manufacturer would've packed up and left.

[gregcrawford]

21. But they DID leave...

... I'm just sayin"...

[cheapdate]

22. Yes they did.

I just had a new electric heating/cooling system put in 3-weeks ago. It's a Rheem 5-ton, 14 seer, split-system and it cost me $5,300, which I borrowed from the credit union.

Le sigh....

[gregcrawford]

23. Our house is 189 years old...

... and its furnace was installed in the early 60s. It has just gone to furnace heaven... or maybe the damned thing went to hell. Whatever. Dreams of air conditioners have suddenly turned to nightmares of heating systems.

[cheapdate]

24. Wow. That's an old house.

I love old things more than new things. I'm hoping when my last young'un leaves the house, to get out of this soulless subdivision and find a place with heart.

[gregcrawford]

25. Yeah, it's post-and-beam...

... and there are original window panes that were handmade, bubbles, ripples and all. They're also thicker at the bottom than they are at the top because glass is actually classified as a fluid! Little tidbit of perfectly worthless information for ya there.

I've spent 25 years undoing the cob-jobs of previous owners, and I'm far from done.

When starry-eyed younglings tell me how much they'd love to have an old farmhouse, I warn them in dark tones, "BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR..." The romance of This Old House wears thin when you lose count of how many times you've been under the house to fix frozen pipes in 25-below weather. And that damned crawlspace just keeps getting smaller and smaller...

[awoke_in_2003]

16. I have a friend

who owns his own HVAC business, and he swears by American Standard. Mine needs replaced, so I need to start looking into it.

[mountain grammy]

7. Over the years, I've stuck with a brand of vacuum cleaners

that were made in the USA for my rentals and cleaning business. The quality and guarantee were excellent. I paid about $30 more than for a comparable vac made elsewhere. The last vac I bought from that company, about two years ago, had a sticker that said "assembled in the USA." The product is definitely not the same quality, but, surprise, it's the same price, as carrier air conditioners will be. Someone's making money, just not the workers who make the products.. we all know this.

[Baobab]

19. The more supply of workers and the less demand, the lower wages

So in theory at least in a few years when there is infinite supply and zero demand, wages will be zero.

[Triana]

8. IF YOU THINK Hillary Clinton​ will do anything . . .

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. . . to STOP greedy US corps from sending American jobs to Mexico or anywhere else for cheap labor rates no one in the US can live on, you're sadly mistaken.

NO POLITICIAN EXCEPT U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders​ would do ANYTHING about this issue.

NO POLITICIAN except Sanders. NONE.

WANT MORE OF THIS? Keep voting STUPID, America.

[Donkees]

10. "Keep voting STUPID, America" Great Slogan!

[colorado_ufo]

13. Winner! Fantastic slogan!

[Baobab]

20. Hillary can make it so they can get workers just as cheap here.

seriously

[SujiwanKenobee]

9. My knee jerk reaction

Is to punish Carrier by tacking the company "cost savings" (of cutting American workers and disrupting that Indianapolis community) back onto the product that is re-entering the US for sale.

[Trust Buster]

26. There is nothing the government or any single politician can do to prevent corporations from

investing abroad. It is their Constitutional right. The only avenue of protest available to the American consumer is to refuse to buy those products produced abroad.

[Turbineguy]

27. That's a $56 million per year savings

to pay for executive bonuses.