Is Obama making big changes, or is the GOP right to attack him for being an insider? (HEATED debate)

[alp227]

Cenk and Michael Shure have an epic political showdown over whether the GOP is right to call out President Obama for saying, "You can't change Washington from the inside."

Alt link http://current.com/shows/the-young-turks/videos/epic-political-showdown-is-obama-making-big-changes-or-is-the-gop-right-to-attack-him-for-being-an-insider

[torotoro]

1. They Both Make Excellent Points But Cenk is The Winner Here

I agree with both and that Obama did provide "some" change but you cant help but feel it isn't much of a fight to do so, especially for issues that involve money. However, my guess is Obama may want to but might feel he is jugglging the feeling that he wanted to get re-elected (to seem like he is bipartisan) and to not lose too many fat cat donors who would not look kindly on his fighting banks/oil.

I am more fascinated to see Obama re-elected so as to see who the REAL Obama is and we can know for sure if Michael or Cenk is the true winner.

However, i think Obama will be considered a center-right (on money and war issues) president and just center president on all other issues when all is done and he is out of office in 2016. And sadly this will result in what we consider "Left" to be what we now see is really center-right. As was the case in Clinton's time. The more democrats act like republicans the mroe republicans end up shifting more right for their base to be happy. I'd just love to see an Elizabeth Warren come in as president and lay the smack-eth down on Congress, shifting it back to the left.

Recall the grand bargaining deal will likely be coming. I was listening to Obama today at a rally saying he is eager to strike a deal wtih republicans about Social Security. Why not just raise the cap? Seems simple enough but for some reason Obama and the repubs dont want to do that.

[torotoro]

2. Many on DU HATE Cenk! Truly Baffling because TYT is MORE LEFT-LEANING Than DU.

I commend Cenk for speaking the truth when republicans OR democrats do evil. People shouldnt forget that Cenk is a progressive. So although he comes off as loud and against the president if you just listen he is very much for left issues and is frustrated that we are being hoodwinked...meaning, because someone has a (D) by their name it doesnt mean we should act like freepers/tbaggers and obey the master no matter what.

Although i agree with Cenk completely i will defintiely be voting for Obama in November because OMG Romney/Ryan is quite possibly worse than McCain/Pain.

I just WISH Obama would govern as a progressive because polls show that Americans love progressive issues. Yes, many of his progressive agendas would never pass but the act of him showing he was FIGHTING to get them done would endear him as one of the greatest presidents. It would also potentially wake up America into understanding how money is corrupting both parties.

[jjewell]

3. I agree with Cenk...

...but I have to vote in November. My choice will be Obama.

There is other choice, really...

[byoung6]

4. Cenk makes great points

But in the crappy real world we have to vote and there is no question I can't vote for Mitt, he's crazy and evil. I have had my problems with things Obama has done this last 4 years. I concede that I was disappointed with him on many levels. BUT, I also saw what he was up against. What a mess, republicans who lied and messed up all the legislation. Blue dog dems who were as conservative and bought as the republicans. Big fat cat dems who really liked the ride they had been having with the republicans (Chris Dodd) ahem. Wallstreet, the banks, the auto companies, 2 wars, and on and on and on. I think, I hope, I pray, that if he gets a second term he is going to see that the bully pulpit, and progressivism is the only way to help this country.

[EnviroBat]

5. Both of these guys make valid points.

I agree with Cenk about much of what was debated here, but the man needs to give credit to the FACt that for two years Obama attempted to work WITH republicans across the isle, and after that, he faced nothing but obstruction at every turn.