Semi-auto AR-15 bumpfires 100 rounds in 6 seconds. How is this not an "assault weapon"?

[Electric Monk]

[onehandle]

2. Gungeoneers will be here shortly to school you. nt

[UndahCovah]

10. These are legal because

It is not select-fire, it is recoil operated. A small hook runs from a sliding rail on the stock to the trigger, which pulls the trigger once for each round-fired of recoil.

Hence, "bump-fire," because the trigger is being bumped to fire each round. Pretty awesome from an engineering/design standpoint, but it will wear out your gun like its nobodies business.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. And you won't hit a goddamn thing while you are doing it.

First shot will be on-target, and everything else is going to sail high and wide by miles. These things are stupid, beyond simulating the FEEL of firing fully automatic, sorta.

[thucythucy]

20. "...everything else is going to sail high and wide by miles..."

If only that had been the case on Friday, but it seems Lanza had no problem doing all the damage he wanted.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Lanza wasn't bump firing.

He would have run out of ammo a lot of kids sooner, if he had.

[Bjorn Against]

26. Which is even more reason why it should be illegal

If you can not even safely aim it then the risk of shooting bystanders becomes even greater, of course I am sure some of the people who would want a weapon like that would probably want to hit bystanders.

[AtheistCrusader]

28. Good point.

Requires no legislative action to achieve. The BATFE has only to say 'banned', and it is banned.

(They banned, as a 'machine gun' the use of a shoestring to achieve the identical effect)

[SunSeeker]

3. It's not an assault weapon, it's a death weapon. You can survive an assault.

This thing will saw you in half, and there will still be bullets left in the clip. Aim is not all that important. Nope, this ain't for hunting rabbits. It's for mowing down people. Lots of people.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

16. Definitely a Human Killer, ONE person can survive an assault, Many people are meant to die w/this

[valerief]

4. Geez, with those 2 round thingies on it (are they magazines?) it even LOOKS like

a you-know-what. (Not allowed to say the word, because it TERRIFIES people.)

[UndahCovah]

13. Drum mags nt

[doublethink]

5. I wouldn't even call that thing an assault weapon, but a weapon of mass destruction.

Maybe we need to redefine what a 'gun' is to begin with and get these other things off the streets.

[moobu2]

11. Yes, might as well have a Missile launcher or

grenade or some other military weapon. It's crazy.

[doc03]

6. He said 150 rounds unless it wasn't fully loaded. What kind of a moron shoots

into water?

[brewens]

8. Maybe he was fishing? n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

22. Good point.

What he did was illegal in my state. Rounds have a tendency to skip off water like that and go who knows where.

[deathrind]

7. That...

Type of weapon with that power and capacity has no place in the hands of anyone outside of military or law enforcement personnel. There is no reasoned argument to be made otherwise.

[UndahCovah]

12. The police and military use true automatic weapons

aka select-fire. They wouldn't use one of these.

[daybranch]

15. really

do you think an ex-cop ciuld resist having this baby at home? How many ex military or ex cops would have them? how many suffer from PTSD? These need to be removed from market .

[UndahCovah]

18. See comment #10 regarding the weapon in he vid

I don't doubt that many ex-cops and ex-military people own or would like to own a weapon like this. What I'm saying is, neither the police nor the military have to rely on the "bump-fire" system, because truly automatic, select-fire weapons are available to them.

This system is perfectly legal, because it is semi-auto. One trigger pull, one bullet. The speed of those individual trigger pulls is immaterial as far as the law is concerned.

A military/police weapon is, as I said, select fire. You hold down the trigger and the weapon fires continuously due to the auto-sear. No need for repeated trigger pulls like with the bump-fire system.

[AtheistCrusader]

23. The GUN is nice. The bump-fire setup is crap.

For one, that barrel isn't meant to put a whole lot of rounds through it like that, heat dissipation wise. He's going to warp and wear out that barrel in no time.

For two, look at how he held it. You can't hit anything doing that.

[TheCowsCameHome]

9. It's Gungeon designation is "Orgasmatic 100-in-6" model

n/t

[glinda]

14. Maybe because it is packaged neatly into being owned by "gun enthusiasts".

Boy am I sick of that terminology.

[Skittles]

25. "avid gun owner"

[jerseyjack]

17. 2:37 -- he's about to jitz in his pants.

[ComplimentarySwine]

24. According to the video description, that's an SBR

Those are tightly regulated by the NFA. In order to legally buy one, you have to get a chief law enforcement agent in your local area to sign off on a form 4, and then send that along with 2 passport photos, 2 sets of fingerprints on FBI fingerprint cards, and a $200 money order to the BATFE. Additionally, you send another form into the Department of the Treasury.

Once the BATFE gets the form, they assign an agent to have a nationwide FBI background check performed. Assuming that everything was filled out correctly and the background check was passed, they send the form back to you with a stamp indicating that you are approved to buy the weapon (said to be a 90 - 120 day wait for this to be completed).

If you have a trust or company that functions as a separate entity, you can have the trust or company own the weapon and that gets you out of having to get approval from a local law enforcement officer, the fingerprints, passport photo, etc., but I believe that you still need to be dealing with a class 3 dealer and would therefore need to fill out the 4473 and have a NICS check done to pickup the weapon.

Now, if you would have shown a video of a standard AR-15 bump firing, of which I believe you can find many on www.youtube.com, that might be a different matter, but I believe that were should be discussing this with an eye towards the facts.

[leveymg]

27. Sure, but that background check does nothing to stop someone else from using the fucking thing.

Right? So, clearly, something more has to be done to keep such potentially destructive devices out of the hands of those who would do great harm with them.

[ComplimentarySwine]

29. Do you have a solution that will be more effective that the marijuana ban? n/t

[jberryhill]

30. I had no idea that guns grow anywhere the seeds are planted

There is a difference between trying to regulate a vegetable and trying to regulate a manufactured object.

[ComplimentarySwine]

31. I imagine that I could manufacture a gun

a lot quicker and easier than growing pot.