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(15,659 posts)to be or not to be?
Will isn't big on suicide.
Sedona
(3,769 posts)or just pretending to be?
Aristus
(66,381 posts)Orson Welles once remarked: " 'What a rogue and peasant slave am I' That's a divinely sane thing to say."
Will just said: "Welles was the best Falstaff ev-AR! Welles ROCKED!"
fleur-de-lisa
(14,627 posts)that Shakespeare was, in fact, illiterate, and therefore, very unlikely to have been the author of the body of work attributed to him?
Aristus
(66,381 posts)Will's father, John, was known to be illiterate, although it didn't prevent him from being a fairly successful businessman and local office-holder. For a time, he was High Bailiff of Stratford, equivalent to mayor these days.
And there's no record of Shakespeare's children receiving formal education. Although his children who lived to adulthood were both girls, who wouldn't have had much education anyway.
There is strong anecdotal evidence, although no direct evidence, that Will attended Stratford Grammar School. It was one of the best schools in England at the time, and the curriculum, which included mathematics, Latin, Greek, and astronomy, among other subjects, would challenge a modern college student.
Although no manuscripts of the plays exist in Shakespeare's handwriting, he is known to have been the author of the Sonnets and narrative poems attributed to him. So the charge of illiteracy is a pretty weak one.
Graybeard
(6,996 posts)"In Search Of Shakespeare" is a wonderful investigation of his life. It puts to rest any speculation that he was not the author. Just two examples of his evidence:
Some of his characters have the same names as families in the town where Will grew up. Also references in a play to how someone was "like leather" able to be stretched and pliable. Will's father was a glover and worked with leather. Anyone else writing the plays would not have these references. Many more.
In Search Of Shakespeare-Michael Wood PBS (2004)
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Aristus
(66,381 posts)I've heard the textual evidence of knowledge of glove-making before. It's pretty convincing, if not 100% irrefutable proof. But then, I don't need proof like that. I have no doubts that Shakespeare is the man who wrote the plays attributed to him.
Thanks for the PBS recommendation.
Graybeard
(6,996 posts)I'd be interested to know how Will reacts to this journey back into his childhood, love life and turbulent career.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)This is just an excuse for a question.....I don't expect a serious answer!
Aristus
(66,381 posts)"Pegeen, love! May your tomorrow be much brighter than your today. I kiss my hand at you!"
What a charmer...
Hope you feel better soon, CalPeg...
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)Thank you, my dear Aristus...I hope so too.....pretty sore today.
Aristus
(66,381 posts)about writing the role of Innogen in "Much Ado About Nothing" for you.
It was a lame joke.
Wait...he's still apologizing...
I think he's apologizing in sonnet form...
Oh hell, I'm not going to try to transcribe it. Suffice it to say, he is very eloquently sorry...
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,629 posts)Tell him that it's OK, no apology needed.........It's really an honor to be teased by such a famous writer!
I need to get some dinner together......Later!
Aristus
(66,381 posts)Now enjoying some warmed rum, and watching the wind blow through the branches of the mulberry tree just outside the window.
Cozy...
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Aristus
(66,381 posts)It's a metaphor. Get it?
Truth is, Will never liked comparing women to the sun, or to a rose, or anything else obvious like that. He recommends the Sonnets to you. His descriptions of The Dark Lady are not necessarily flattering. Talk to Will about beauty, and he won't talk about how radiant, or entrancing, or spell-binding it is, but about how brief it is. How quickly youthful beauty turns to the decay of old age. He's kind of a buzzkill on the subject. But, as always, an eloquent buzzkill:
"Come kiss me, sweet and twenty;
Youth's a stuff will not endure."
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Aristus
(66,381 posts)The one with Lawrence Olivier was ridiculous. Yeah, it started out okay, showing what a play was like at The Globe, but Agincourt? Please! The battle was not fought on a croquet pitch in the bright sunlight the way it looks in Olivier's film! Branagh did it much better. Mud, blood, confusion, chaos. That was warfare back then.
Richard Loncraine's "Richard III" with Ian McKellan was mostly pretty good, bringing it into the 20th Centry like that. Back in my day, we rarely wore period-appropriate costuming. Too much research and tailoring to do when you've got three days to rehearse and prepare a play. I didn't like how old the principles were. The real Richard III was 33 when he was killed, not in his 60's, the way it looks in the film. Still, quite a good film.
UrbScotty
(23,980 posts)Aristus
(66,381 posts)Because that's the user name I chose for myself when I registered at DU.
Grantuspeace
(873 posts)And be very, very cautious!
Aristus
(66,381 posts)It's all a bit much for a guy who likes his Warwickshire comfort foods...
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Aristus
(66,381 posts)struggle4progress
(118,293 posts)Aristus
(66,381 posts)struggle4progress
(118,293 posts)the 57th of November is even rarest."
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Aristus
(66,381 posts)You should see Will: he just shot me a gesture that must be the local Warwickshire version of 'up-your-plumbing'...
Denninmi
(6,581 posts)?
Graybeard
(6,996 posts).
MOBSTERS:
The girls today in society
Go for classical poetry.
So to win their hearts one must
quote with ease
Aeschylus and Euripides.
But the poet of them all
who will start 'em simply ravin'
is the poet people call
the Bard of Stratford-On-Avon.
Brush up your Shakespeare
Start quoting him now.
Brush up your Shakespeare
and the women you will wow.
Just declaim a few line from 'Othella'
and they'll think you're a helluva fella.
If your blonde won't respond when
you flatter 'er
Tell her what Tony told Cleopaterer.
And if she still, to be shocked, she
pretends well,
Just remind her that,
"Alls Well That Ends Well".
Brush up your Shakespeare
And they'll all kowtow.
Cole Porter
"Kiss Me Kate"