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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:28 PM Jul 2013

Have you ever talked back to a cop?

The "do you have problem with authority" thread got me thinking about this. I'm something of a timid guy in person so I would never, though I might argue with them if I thought I was in the right.

I can remember my father telling me a story about my uncle talking back to a cop who had stopped him. Now mind you my uncle is a very strong headed guy, to the point of being a stubborn mule. He's one of the smartest men you will ever meet and has a strong personality. The story goes the cop pulled him over for some minor traffic violation which he was innocent of. The guy was also giving him a bad attitude. What my uncle told him was "listen Mr, you are here to serve me. You work for ME, not the other way around. I'm the citizen, you are the public service official" (paraphrasing a bit). Needless to say the cop was NOT happy. However since he had done nothing wrong the cop couldn't actually do anything and ended up just letting him go.

Have you ever talked back to a cop? How did it go if so?

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Have you ever talked back to a cop? (Original Post) Locut0s Jul 2013 OP
Does "Yessir" and "Nosir" count? pscot Jul 2013 #1
only the border patrol/homeland security Kali Jul 2013 #2
I cussed out a customs agent for stopping me once HipChick Jul 2013 #3
That's what lawyers are for. n/t bluedigger Jul 2013 #4
No but I have flirted with one. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #5
Twice. Arrested both times. Acquitted both times. rug Jul 2013 #6
Oh yeah - more than once. ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #7
take my advice Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #8
You're in rare form tonight, aren't you? Callmecrazy Jul 2013 #17
! Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #20
!!! Kali Jul 2013 #25
I am not at liberty to discuss the details but, Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #52
"since he had done nothing wrong the cop couldn't actually do anything" Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2013 #9
Yes, but... cyberswede Jul 2013 #10
Yes mythology Jul 2013 #11
Not me, but my father did graywarrior Jul 2013 #12
Yep. Got arrested about forty years ago for it. struggle4progress Jul 2013 #13
I have several times d_r Jul 2013 #14
2 or 3 times - they ignored me LiberalElite Jul 2013 #15
Only pipi_k Jul 2013 #16
Yeah, I've done that... Callmecrazy Jul 2013 #18
Just a little. Incitatus Jul 2013 #19
I got into a heated argument with a cop Major Nikon Jul 2013 #21
My wife did and it was hilarious jrandom421 Jul 2013 #22
good lord, where to start! Joe Shlabotnik Jul 2013 #23
Nice :P Why would they check like that?... Locut0s Jul 2013 #30
Oh, yeah. Not afraid to verbally defend myself, if necessary. closeupready Jul 2013 #24
Yes blueamy66 Jul 2013 #26
yes the L.A. Sheriff Department is so vile Ghandi would talk back to them . olddots Jul 2013 #27
Wow that's a horrible practice :( Locut0s Jul 2013 #29
^^^ This. Iggo Jul 2013 #40
Never Xyzse Jul 2013 #28
Yes, but in another context. Heidi Jul 2013 #31
Lol that's a good one... Locut0s Jul 2013 #32
His deputies had just been issued those black, SWAT-team-esque uniforms, too. Heidi Jul 2013 #33
Oh great. Sounds like he thought he was... Locut0s Jul 2013 #34
Yes. It worked out alright cause I was right. In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #35
No but.... mockmonkey Jul 2013 #36
Fuck yes. Chan790 Jul 2013 #37
So this Uncle Bob... Locut0s Jul 2013 #45
No. Chan790 Jul 2013 #47
Ahh fair enough lol. nt Locut0s Jul 2013 #51
No, because I'm black and cops have a tendency of shooting black people who talk back to them. nt MrScorpio Jul 2013 #38
Yes sadly that's ill advised, especially in the states... Locut0s Jul 2013 #44
Oh gawd yes! Iggo Jul 2013 #39
Yes, I was arrested by the Illinois state cops at an anti war demo in 1970. mysuzuki2 Jul 2013 #41
Once, sort of BainsBane Jul 2013 #42
No miked62916 Jul 2013 #43
Of course. I'm married to him. tavernier Jul 2013 #46
Yep, my Sergeant............... mrmpa Jul 2013 #48
Yes, but only to a couple of them that I dated. n/t RebelOne Jul 2013 #49
I got in a car accident about two years ago. Initech Jul 2013 #50
Just: "No sir" and "yes sir". Lil Missy Jul 2013 #53
Yes, many times however truegrit44 Jul 2013 #54
only once, because I felt accused steve2470 Jul 2013 #55
After being pulled over for driving eratically... Bay Boy Sep 2013 #56
I'm sure cops get tired of... Bay Boy Nov 2013 #57

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
3. I cussed out a customs agent for stopping me once
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:35 PM
Jul 2013

This was before 9/11...they keep apologizing and let me go...

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
7. Oh yeah - more than once.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jul 2013

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One of the most memorable ones was when a cop came to my door because a neighbor had complained about loud music from my home.

This was around 10 pm - 11pm was the "deadline" to calm it down.

(excessive noise rules/laws)

Anyways - I asked him if I was being arrested or charged with anything.

He responded something to the effect "No sir - just asking you to tone it down a bit"

I looked at my watch, told him I sure will, at 11pm

He started to argue - I responded "Sir - you have no business here, so get off my property or I will have YOU charged for trespassing"

He left in a bit of a hurry.

Cops don't scare me.

CC

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
8. take my advice
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:48 PM
Jul 2013

Don't ever ask a cop if you can see his gun

and

When a cop tells you that your tire looks low

Don't ever ask him if he can see the air coming out.

also

Don't ask me how I know these things.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,840 posts)
9. "since he had done nothing wrong the cop couldn't actually do anything"
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:50 PM
Jul 2013


Sorry to be such a cynic. I'm from Chicago where the police are here to preserve disorder.

Anyway, no I've never talked back to a regular cop but I've yelled at an overbearing park district 'cop' and I've had words with some of our campus public safety officers (most of the older ones are retired cops)
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. Yes
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:06 PM
Jul 2013

I was once approached by two big plainclothes cops where one went to cut me off in front and the other came up behind me. I'm wearing my headphones so I don't hear what they are saying. The first guy put his hand on me and I slipped out of his grasp. Apparently some genius called the cops on a suspicious looking guy standing, ie me.

The cops are convinced that I'm a drug dealer or somebody looking to buy, so I pull out my wallet, which had all of 5 dollars in it and ask if I'm the worst drug dealer of all time. When they finally got it in their heads that I'm not next Pablo Escobar, I asked if I should consider myself lucky that I'm white so I didn't get shot on sight. They were pretty pissed at me, but unfortunately standing on a public sidewalk for 15 minutes, isn't actually a crime.

Another time, I was in New York, trying to find my way to the ferry terminal to catch a ride back to the New Jersey side. I got horribly lost and when I asked a cop which way to go, he suggested that I should ask Ozzy Ozbourne, apparently due to my wearing a Black Sabbath hat. Being younger and stupider than I am now, I told him something particularly stupid that I won't repeat now being older and less stupid. I crossed the line and probably deserved a smack upside the head.

graywarrior

(59,440 posts)
12. Not me, but my father did
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:07 PM
Jul 2013

One time he punched a vice squad guy in the face for being an asshole to my uncle. Nothing ever came of it because my father was an ex-paratrooper and one tough bastid. The vice squad guy was humiliated and took it out on my brother for years.

struggle4progress

(118,293 posts)
13. Yep. Got arrested about forty years ago for it.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:15 PM
Jul 2013

It's a long story, and ultimately not very informative or educational, since very little resulted, so I'll skip the details

I got lots of hassle from The Man back then

Nowadays I figure it's not really my thing to make their lives more stressful, so I try to keep the interaction on an even keel, but I'll tell them pleasantly what I think

d_r

(6,907 posts)
14. I have several times
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jul 2013

I've been drunk and argued with them as they broke up a party.

One time when I was in my early 20s I was buying somethings at the grocery store and I was talking with someone on the way out, there were some cigarette lighters hanging on a display and I set the bag down looking through the lighters for a certain color, one on the end fell down and I picked it up and hung it back up and I saw out of the corner of my eye a cop looking at me. I knew he thought I was pinching one, so I walked out the door and sure enough he followed and a few steps later he caught up to me and said something like "Ok let's have it" and I said "what" and he said "that lighter you stole" and I said I didn't and he said he saw me. And I said "you saw me put a lighter in this bag?" and he said yes, and I said "and you're a fucking liar" and handed him the bag. He went through it and left in a huff.

I was totally trapping him and enjoying it, and the person I was with was about to shit their pants.

I said on here the other night about them using the drug sniff dog and searching my friends car, didn't talk back that night was scared shitless.

I always used to smart off at the border patrol stop because I knew they just wanted to hear me talk when they said "where you headed tonight?" so I'd say something goofy like "to pick up your mom for our date." I used to get those guys to laugh. I was always pissed off that they would stop you for no reason like that. I wouldn't do that post 9-11. No way in hell.

I got stopped a couple of weeks ago for a speeding ticket on the interstate in freaking Atlanta. I was not an asshole to that guy at all, I was yes sir no sir, but i also was like "come on everybody is speeding are you kidding me?" He gave me "it was your turn." He still gave me a ticket but he knocked it down.

Yes it is white priviledge and also I am pretty good and being cocky and being not an asshole at the same time. It has to do with eye contact and confidence, and those things come with white priviledge.

Callmecrazy

(3,065 posts)
18. Yeah, I've done that...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jul 2013

I know that cops have a tough job and I don't mean to cause drama; but when a cop gets up in my face and starts bullying me I get defensive. I'm short (5'5&quot , so people sometimes think that makes me timid. When I'm in the right I stand my ground so cops think that their intimidation tactics and outright lying will make me back down. I never shout or anything but I won't take any shit from somebody just because they wear a badge.
I'm an American and a veteran. I know my rights and I exercise them with respect. If a cop asks to search my car or my person I tell them to get a warrant or arrest me. And I never answer questions. Respectfully.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
19. Just a little.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jul 2013

I got pulled and the cop said I was driving erratically. He tried to search my vehicle and I refused. I don't remember his exact wording but he said it in a manner that someone who didn't know better would think they had no choice. I told him "No, you will not search". Cop "Excuse me?" Me: "I said you do not have my permission"
I was then given a sobriety test, which I passed and pressed again on the searching. He said something along like "Why, are you hiding something, have anything illegal". I responded "I just like exercising my rights." He called dispatch and tried to get a dog out there but there was some issue and it wasn't available. So after walking around my vehicle a couple times and shining his flashlight inside looking for something to give probable cause he gave up and let me go without a citation.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
21. I got into a heated argument with a cop
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:53 PM
Jul 2013

I was cruising down the highway and by cruising I mean I had the cruise control set to exactly the speed limit (70mph) and not even 1mph over which is normal for me.

The next thing I know a local cop (not even a highway patrol) in an unmarked police vehicle pulls along side and very irately is telling me to pull over. Come to find out he had been behind me for a while and I didn't notice so he's already hot under the collar, by the time I pulled over.

He asked if I knew why he pulled me over. I asked if I had a low tire or something because I had no idea why he pulled me over. He kept quizzing me claiming I knew why he pulled me over and I kept insisting I didn't. Finally he tells me he clocked me at 83mph. I told him that was impossible as my cruise control was set to 70 and was verified with my GPS. He asked me if I thought his "$20 thousand dollar radar" was lying (I've forgotten more about radar theory than this guy will ever know). I told him it's possible or more likely it was operator error. By this time he is yelling very loudly at me. I had my daughter in the car seat in the back and I told him he was upsetting her and he really should start acting like a professional. The guy had a big pot belly and his uniform looked as if he had slept in it. Needless to say he didn't instil confidence. He told me to step out of the car and go with him to his squad car. I refused saying I wasn't going to leave my daughter alone. By this time his face was red. He stomped off back to his car and returned a bit later with a written WARNING of all things.

The next day I called the municipal police office of the small town that employed this guy and asked to speak to a supervisor. To my surprise the chief of police got on the line. I asked to be mailed a complaint form and explained what happened. The chief wouldn't go into details, but I got the impression this wasn't the first time they had trouble with this guy. I always wondered if he got fired or disciplined over it.

jrandom421

(1,005 posts)
22. My wife did and it was hilarious
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:11 PM
Jul 2013

We pull into a convenience store parking lot, and see a local cop car from our small town police department, rocking and shaking. My wife goes over to find out what's going on. She discovers that a local cop is transporting a prisoner and is beating on the handcuffed prisoner in the back of the car.

She yells at him, " Stop that RIGHT NOW!", in her best mom-voice.

He replies, "Go away or I'll arrest you for interfering with a police officer! This is NONE of your business!"

She yells even louder, "The hell it isn't my business! I sign your paychecks!" At the time, she was a member of the city council and was chairperson of the public safety committee.

He gets a good look at her for the first time, and his attitude changes instantly. It's 'Yes, Ma'am" at the beginning and ending of each sentence.

He starts acting like a 14 year old who got caught by his mother with several issues of Hustler.

Granted, it was only one time, but it was priceless!

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
23. good lord, where to start!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:47 AM
Jul 2013

I'll just recall the most recent.

I took a date for a walk to the beach along with my dog, in mid-summer a year or so back, and while we were sitting there along with many others, a tandem of cops walked through questioning everyone what they were drinking (gasp!!!! concealed boooooze!).

When they approached us, my dog started growling, bearing her teeth and acting defensive. They apologized and plead that they were just doing doing their job.

I informed them that my dog was just doing her job.

My date laughed her ass off.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
30. Nice :P Why would they check like that?...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:21 AM
Jul 2013

I know cops here sometimes check that kind of thing during special events like large public gatherings of thousands of people. But I haven't known it to happen for small groups unless they were really rowdy and making a scene which I'm sure was not the case there.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
24. Oh, yeah. Not afraid to verbally defend myself, if necessary.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jul 2013

Most of the time, though, police with whom I've had interactions have been really polite and competent and professional. It's just the one or two with whom it can get complicated.

And of course, I'm not a member of a racial minority group, so if I were, I suppose my answer would be different, admittedly. (Sadly.)

 

blueamy66

(6,795 posts)
26. Yes
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:02 AM
Jul 2013

Cop speeded past me...I gave him the speed limit with my fingers....he saw it in his rear view mirror....must have known or else he wouldn't have looked in the mirror, no? ....he slowed down and got behind me and pulled me over....

He had nothing on me....said he was on his way to a break in at a bike shop...important, but not so important that he couldn't pull me over...I was on my way to a date.....I asked him if I could go, cause I had a date and a basketball game to get to...he had to let me go, cause I didn't break any laws.....just called him on pulling in front of me and speeding....guess he didn't catch the dude at the bike shop

hate cops

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
27. yes the L.A. Sheriff Department is so vile Ghandi would talk back to them .
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jul 2013

all Sheriffs deputies have to work in L.A. county jail for two years before they hit the street so they think everyone is a bad guy ,I try to change their minds but it's almost impossible .

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
29. Wow that's a horrible practice :(
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:15 AM
Jul 2013

I'm sure they bill it as giving their cops real world experience but like you said it's going to skew their judgement early.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
28. Never
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:18 AM
Jul 2013

1 - I am still considered a minority
2 - I am in DU and was in other Democrat/Progressive sites.
3 - I don't see the point of risking it.

Must be nice to be able to do that. I don't see myself being able to pull that off, unless I am Tall, White and Rich.
Sorry to say.

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
31. Yes, but in another context.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:33 AM
Jul 2013

When I was a reporter, I asked a county sheriff to describe his department's primary role. He answered, "To monitor and enforce."

My reply was something along the lines of, "You're kiddin' me, right?"

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
32. Lol that's a good one...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:44 AM
Jul 2013

To monitor and enforce lawls, sounds like he got his job description from a bad pot boiler novel.

Heidi

(58,237 posts)
33. His deputies had just been issued those black, SWAT-team-esque uniforms, too.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:46 AM
Jul 2013

That ol' boy's authoritarian attitude was even bigger than his beer gut.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
34. Oh great. Sounds like he thought he was...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:49 AM
Jul 2013

A "hard hittin pull no punches cop", something out of a comic book.

mockmonkey

(2,817 posts)
36. No but....
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jul 2013

My Dad, a notoriously bad driver, hit a Motorcycle cop when my Dad drove the wrong way down a one way street.

The Cop later bought a nice big house in our neighborhood.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
37. Fuck yes.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jul 2013

I have a family full of cops. My foster brother growing up became a cop. I tried to talk my hacker brother into taking the NYPD exam as he'd have been assigned to TARU and never have seen the street.

A constant refrain of holiday dinners was "Fuck you, Uncle Bob!" It got so bad that we'd start tacking it onto Grace to get it out of the way because we all knew I was going to say it eventually.

I have no fear of cops. I deal with them constantly in a variety of roles: activist, journalist, private citizen, shady looking dude that likes to walk around in the dark.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
45. So this Uncle Bob...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jul 2013

Something of an ass hole it sounds like? Too bad you had so many negative experiences with cops in your family. Although it IS my own experience that the job DOES attract certain types of people to begin with.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
44. Yes sadly that's ill advised, especially in the states...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 07:54 PM
Jul 2013

I don't think I'd do it here even in Canada if I were a minority. I'm 1/2 Chinese but I don't look it so I pass as white.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
39. Oh gawd yes!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:16 PM
Jul 2013

Many times.

Sometimes made it better, sometimes made it worse. But 99% of the time it was completely called-for.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
41. Yes, I was arrested by the Illinois state cops at an anti war demo in 1970.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:45 PM
Jul 2013

I told him to fuck off. He responded by (not so) gently shoving his nightstick in my gut. It took several minutes to begin breathing again. Best to keep your mouth shut and deal with it later if you think the cop is being an asshole.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
42. Once, sort of
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:48 PM
Jul 2013

It was in Florida and I accused him of pulling me over selectively because I had an old car. He said, you were speeding. I was also going the speed of traffic, but the argument didn't help. In general, I just look incredibly pained when they pull me over. The last one was a university cop who gave me a warning. I was very grateful.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
48. Yep, my Sergeant...............
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:29 PM
Jul 2013

She was a fucking piece of work & stupid. One day a young Officer asked me why I wasn't disciplined for what I said to this Sergeant.
My response to him was that we had a clause in our contract that disciplinary action against an Officer had to take place within 5 days of the incident. I told him "by the time she figures out what I told her, it's the 6th day."

Initech

(100,080 posts)
50. I got in a car accident about two years ago.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:51 PM
Jul 2013

And the guy I got in an accident with was the biggest pain in the ass about it. He would not let me talk to the police - he did all the talking for both parties, despite the fact that my car was way in worse shape than his (his was a Chevrolet Suburban, mine a Nissan Altima). Finally, as fucking frustrated as I was with the whole situation (there was a false injury claim made on the other side's behalf, despite that the first line of the police report said non injury ), I called the police department myself and talked to the officer who was involved in investigating the accident. I explained my side of the situation and that he grossly fabricated his part of the story and I had pictures to prove that he did. Finally after months of in fighting between insurance companies, both sides settled as double fault - meaning that both parties involved were at fault. It's not the best I could have hoped for but it certainly wasn't the worst either. Glad that's over with.

truegrit44

(332 posts)
54. Yes, many times however
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 03:42 AM
Jul 2013

I worked in a small town county sheriff's dept as the only cook at the jail and these guys would come into my kitchen and give me shit and I'd give it right back to them Does this count?

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
55. only once, because I felt accused
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:35 AM
Jul 2013

I've always had the philosophy of yes sir/ma'am, no sir/ma'am, keep my mouth shut, answer their questions politely and don't be a smartass. It's served me well so far, except for one incident where I felt accused of a crime. I'm very glad the cop and his buddies came to their senses and realized I had nothing to do with an accident.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
56. After being pulled over for driving eratically...
Fri Sep 13, 2013, 05:35 PM
Sep 2013

(which was bogus BTW) but I had just guzzled one beer (yes the proverbially one beer).

I was given a field sobriety test and was mocked for saying the alphabet wrong. I followed a child hood system of
Abcdefghijklmnop....pqrtsuvwxyz (repeating the p) and he ridiculed me for that. He had also said something about me not following orders very well. I responded "as a father of 4, a boss and as a Little League coach I am more used to giving orders than following them". That didn't appear to go over too well. He finally did the little follow the flashlight in the eyes thing and I said "I passed that didn't I". To which he said "yes but you have one more test to take." Which was the breathalyzer. And I passed. I recall he called my name into the office over the radio but mispronounced it and I then ridiculed him for that. He didn't seem to like that either.

One other irritating thing about this pull over was one of the two troopers said something like "Well it's a good thing your buddy wasn't driving" . My buddy was my father in law who hadn't had anything to drink at all.

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