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do you hate women telling you what to do?
There is this one guy I work with, and I am always nice to him..for he for some reason just hates me. I don't know if I remind of his ex, him mom, or some other female...even the other guys have said the same..that he hates women,telling him what to do..
Should I just shut up?
Aristus
(66,380 posts)Some guys like a little direction...
Some guys don't need directions ...
Aristus
(66,380 posts)but some of us like to be sure everyone is enjoying the ride...
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)petronius
(26,602 posts)supposed to be doing, and I'm not doing it...
You shouldn't shut up, though, if it's your job to tell him what to do, or if it will reflect badly on you and your team if he isn't told what to do. But if it doesn't effect you, and he's ungrateful for your input, then you might as well let him sink or swim on his own...
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,838 posts)I'll admit that I'm annoyed when that personal male-female dynamic transfers to the workplace. Like when women say "we need to talk."
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)Stop telling me what to do!
rurallib
(62,416 posts)I can't stand overbearing assholes no matter what flavor they come in.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)He acts as though he's he does not want to hear..
kwassa
(23,340 posts)If the other men notice what you are noticing, it is not about you.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)A guy who took his wife's surname, and gave up being a "Director" to his younger female peer because she would be and WAS better at the job?
His attitude sucks and bringing down the team, then OUT. But that's me.
hunter
(38,313 posts)... so maybe I'm conditioned to it.
My great grandmas were some of the toughest women I've ever met, the sort who would shoot a rotten man and call their good friend the sheriff-coroner to take away the body and file the proper paperwork.
I once had a boss who, as a kid, survived the Dresden fire bombing, worse than most humans will ever know. She was among the sweetest most gentle women on earth, but when she said you were wrong she was probably right.
Here's a picture of one of my wild west great grandmas and my great grandfather:
Would you mess with her?
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)Since it is Work Related:
- Any Boss(male or female) to Male Co-worker(i.e. Me): If I am doing my job and I produce results, do not hover, do not micro-manage. I am hired for a reason, I like the way I do things, and I tend to optimize my method and speed up as I go. Provide new sets of goals and projects, but leave the method wholly to me. I will come to you if I need clarification. If however, you wish to tell me how to do what I am doing, only do so concisely and logically. If you were to tell me how to do something and it takes far longer, given without basis or reasoning, I will quickly lose respect for you, as you now have become a hindrance to work flow. I will, more likely than not, figure out a faster way of doing it, with the specifications given, without telling you how I did it.
- Underling(male or female) to Supervisor(i.e. Me): I will respect you, and leave you mostly alone to do your work. I will never give you an assignment that I wouldn't do myself. If it is beyond my skill set, and you are hired for that purpose, I will hand you the work, provide bullet points to what is expected and needed. If I myself don't know what the project entails, I will give you an idea of what to expect and time frame before clarifying it when more information comes. So, in return...
I expect you to not keep bothering me for information over and over. I will email you the list of objectives and so forth. Read it, and understand it. I will try to clarify, but seriously, don't make me do your work. I will joke around with you now and then but buckle down when we have a deadline. I appreciate valid criticism and suggestions on optimization, but don't waste my time.
Please don't involve me in any sort of relationship drama or office drama. I don't do any office romances, I don't like that sort of complication. I will be very nice and polite to you, but seriously, if you bother me with redundancy and make me feel trapped. I will avoid you.
- Co-Workers(male or female): If you need help, I will more than likely help you. Sadly, at work I have become the go to guy for any sort of problem. If someone can't figure it out, they tend to ask me. So I don't see that as being different most places. Either way, complex or inane, if it is a work related issue, I will definitely help you. Just don't abuse this. If, I find, that I have ended up doing most of your work, I will avoid you. My direct supervisors know that if any one asks for my help, I tend to immediately help.
Either way... Do not act like my boss, if you are merely a co-worker.
Do not EVER hover and try to micro manage me, or criticize the way I do things unless it is valid, you have given your reasons and I find it objective and logical. If not, I will effing destroy you. I will write a stern and clear email, to you, CC-ing a higher manager for you to cease and desist. I will provide my method as clearly as possible, and the reasons for it, in bullet points no less. I will then give your method in comparison, as civilly excoriating as possible showing the weakness of your madness.
If however, you provide me with valid reasons, and the logic is sound. I might just thank you. However, if I go back to what I am doing, the way I am doing it, as long as I provide results, then stop pestering me about it. More likely than not, the adjustment takes far longer, and due to the learning curve, especially if there is a deadline, I will go with what I know.
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At least, that is the way I am, does not matter if it is male or female. A guy however that can't take directions from a female is not a reliable worker. How does he react when other guys tell him what to do?
Thing is, when a person is doing their job and they produce results, there shouldn't be a problem. I mean, unless you can show a method that drastically improves performance, then just leave them be. Otherwise, they would just dig in their heels more and do it out of sheer contrariness.
edbermac
(15,939 posts)Let go from my last job and my woman boss was a complete and utter asshole. And I heard others, male and female, complain about her.
And one woman I knew in group therapy once told me she utterly hated having any woman as a boss.
Go figure.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)WHY DO YOU DO THE FUCKING MORONIC THINGS YOU DO ? then say never mind carry on.
Locut0s
(6,154 posts)I have to say I do hate when people, not just women but anyone, is telling me what to do when it's obvious and I already know it. And here it has to become a pattern, not just once or twice, but I've had it happen. It starts to become kind of condescending. But like I said the things I'm being told have to be obvious things that I should already know and do. If it's something non obvious I usually don't mind someone telling me.
Tone also matters a lot. If like you said it's always said in a friendly non pushy manner I usually don't mind, with the above exception.
I should add I'm assuming that I'm being told what I should be doing before the fact of having done something. If I'm being told after the fact, and again only if it becomes a habit, that can become a bit annoying. If it seems like someone is constantly pointing out my mistakes is what I mean, even if done nicely. Again it has to be more than a few times for it to really bother me.
EDIT: I also have to add that I agree with Xyzse when he says that telling someone HOW to do something when they are doing it right their own way is probably bound to end in anger. I dislike that too. If the person is clearly doing something wrong that's fine. But if it's a "he has his way" and I want to tell him how to do it "my way", that's pretty annoying to most people.
denbot
(9,899 posts)Apparently my ability to function, or even survive until I was married must have been a complete fluke. At least that's what Alley tells me.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Regardless of sex people hate having someone be bossy who is not the boss.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)That's why he has his position
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Since you aren't his boss, let him sink or swim on his own.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)and they come to me more than him..
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)If clients notice, eventually he will hang himself.
dr.strangelove
(4,851 posts)but as long as it is done with respect and when warranted by whatever the given situation is, then the sex of the person giving the instructions does not matter.
Iggo
(47,556 posts)Tell him to grow the fuck up.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and poor bosses of both sexes.
I think this one guy, though, must have some sort of problem with women in general, though, if he can't handle women telling him what to do in the workplace. Are you the only woman in the workplace there? If not, do other women have problems with him, too?
Is this outright hatred in the workplace, or does he just not do things when asked? If you have an HR department, you might want to ask them what to do about this situation.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)When I divide up workload in my office, I let my employees choose what they want and bargain among themselves. As much as possible I try to give people the opportunity to be self motivated.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Whether or not I've done what they've told me to do has always been a toss up
HipChick
(25,485 posts)AmyStrange
(7,989 posts)-
is not the answer.
The answer is to yes keep talking to him, but don't invest your self worth in his reactions, or lack of such.
Sometimes, people just don't get along. It's no one's fault. It's just a result of a bad chemistry mix.
ONE INTERESTING THING you can do instead of telling him what to do, is to sincerely compliment him on something he is doing right or has done right, and make sure everyone knows about it, and also make sure you say the same thing behind his back. Everyone is good at something and it's nice when other people recognize it too.
Good luck,
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Bucky
(54,013 posts)I resent anyone telling me what to do if I already know what to do. I prefer to have suggestions offered to having commands imposed. I don't think that's a man thing; I think it's a human thing.
Denninmi
(6,581 posts)And do whatever it is they want done RIGHT NOW. Fine, if it's some critically urgent or time-sensitive matter. Otherwise, at least let me finish what I'm doing.
And, please, don't "remind" me over and over again. Yes, I know the garbage has to go out. I know that the trash hauler picks up on Thursday mornings between 7 and 8, so yes, I do know that I have approximately 13 hours to get it to the curb. So, no, you don't have to remind me 12 times in the next 10 minutes while I finish cooking your dinner. Geesh!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)benld74
(9,904 posts)1awake
(1,494 posts)You tried to help out... found it unwanted, end of story. Leave him be.