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askyagerz

(776 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 04:27 PM Feb 2017

Hi... I'm here to resist

I was on DU during the Bush years and still check in from time to time to get news and fellow progressive's opinions but haven't needed to interact for a long time. Well it's time to stand up and start fighting again. This time it's not just standing up to war and corporate america. This time it's standing up against white nationalism and the very real threat that it will split this country's people for a very long. This is for real brother vs. Brother stuff. It's just going to get worse as long as the propaganda machines are spinning so smoothly.
I grew up in southern illinois surrounded by ignorance. I was just back for a year and saw the divide is getting bigger. My ignorant friends and family were just more emboldened. They have swallowed the bait and I'm pretty sure it's just too late for most of them. They will always live in this box from reality because they have no interests in breaking free. See it's easier for them to blame someone else for their shortfalls. Redneck pride is just an excuse for the shitty lives they have made for themselves. Trust me not many of us said I want to stay here and work in the oil fields when I grow up. But life back home just has a way of weighing you down and before you know it you have grown old quick and don't have anything to show for it. Should these people be mad? Absolutely! The problem is they have all been led to believe that its government's fault. They think Bill Clinton took away their jobs instead of greedy CEO types looking for better profit margins. They think their small business didn't succeed because of taxes when it's really because it's usually a horrible idea with no demand. They really think they are paying for black people to drive brand new cars and having to pay to feed illegal aliens. They really think all Muslims are a danger to them. And no matter how many times we tear down their boxes with facts they are just going to build up new walls because its just easier for them. Trust me, I have been trying to reason with them in person and on political forums for almost 20 years now. Its just not going to happen.. all we can do now is make sure we are always the majority and hope a Progressive Phoenix will rise out of the ashes from the Trump years (or months). Keep up the pressure my friends. Help the world consciousness love and we will rise above ignorance. Peace out, Yager

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Hi... I'm here to resist (Original Post) askyagerz Feb 2017 OP
Hello and Welcome blueseas Feb 2017 #1
Welcome! skylucy Feb 2017 #2
take a breath every now and then - can't keep up rurallib Feb 2017 #3
You came to the right place!! ailsagirl Feb 2017 #4
welcome home askyagerz irisblue Feb 2017 #5
Hi & welcome :) luvMIdog Feb 2017 #6
Welcome back, Yager Bucky Feb 2017 #7
Welcome! I just got here myself. We have work to do. joet67 Feb 2017 #8
Welcome back!! Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #9
A rare, honest, real post, from the heart, without ulterior motives. Thank you. lindysalsagal Feb 2017 #10
Resistancecalanber.org TranssexualKaren Feb 2017 #11
This may not be what you want to hear, but give it a listen and let me know what you think. TranssexualKaren Feb 2017 #12
I have no problem with hate askyagerz Mar 2017 #14
Welcome back! Rhiannon12866 Mar 2017 #13
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rurallib

(62,342 posts)
3. take a breath every now and then - can't keep up
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 10:18 PM
Feb 2017

break for some paragraphs and leave a space between lines occasionally. otherwise words kind of run together for these old eyes.

Welcome back - DU has been one of my bases that keeps me grounded and informed.

But you know all that. So settle in for the bumpy ride.

Bucky

(53,795 posts)
7. Welcome back, Yager
Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:39 PM
Feb 2017

the site's been updated since the bush years. They even allow unlimited full paragraph breaks now. don't be shy about using them

Kimchijeon

(1,606 posts)
9. Welcome back!!
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 09:36 PM
Feb 2017

I have seen the same problem as well, they have been brainwashed for decades by watching/listening to rightwing nutbag propaganda.
It's really awful in southern Illinois, I have family there too. There's plenty of rightwing hate radio to fill in the gaps there so everyone has been fed this bullshit for decades now. It's so bad that you can't even reason with many of them, they have been conditioned to unquestioningly trust whatever they hear or see, and won't even google something. They don't want to hear anything else.

And its been a profitable venture for big business, tell people what they want to hear. (Hate, fear, blame, paranoia) And now look what that's gotten us. Time to get together and clear out the mess. I am sure that we'll prevail. Welcome back Yager!

lindysalsagal

(20,433 posts)
10. A rare, honest, real post, from the heart, without ulterior motives. Thank you.
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 12:14 AM
Feb 2017

This is the answer we all dance around: We want to make the teabag excuse things like lack of information or religion location or parental influence.

But we all also know people who routinely refuse to take responsibility for their lives, like; making good decisions, finishing school, working hard, paying their fair share of the cost of living (taxes), or taking responsibility for their health and the health of the planet.

Rather than take responsibility, they prefer to watch their lives stagnate or worse, as long as they can find someone else to blame. Donald Trump has figured that out, and is their child king. He allows them to avoid the work of doing something about it by providing the ready scapegoat: Other people who usually work harder with even fewer opportunities.

We are a species that acts on childish impulses for immediate gratification, in all it's numerous forms. Sometimes I can't imagine how we survived this long.

I really hope there are more of us showing up to the polls next time than there are of them. Let's not bicker about the details: Vote dem. Period. No excuses.

TranssexualKaren

(364 posts)
12. This may not be what you want to hear, but give it a listen and let me know what you think.
Tue Feb 28, 2017, 10:08 PM
Feb 2017

Since the election I have literally come to hate Donald Trump. Honest hatred. I'm sure you're all familiar with the reasons so I won't belabor them.
As I sat in front of the TV last night it occurred to me that this hate means he has won. If we were to impeach him, send him to prison, disgrace him and in the end he will have won because he has gotten me to hate him. Even if we progressives win this battle with fascism in the end we will become the thing we originally set out to destroy precisely because he has gotten us to hate him.
As we proceed in the coming months we need to stop and consider the price of hating Donald Trump.

What do you think?

askyagerz

(776 posts)
14. I have no problem with hate
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 05:24 PM
Mar 2017

There are some people on this earth that deserve to be hated. As far as I'm concerned if you lack empathy and will hurt others to get ahead you have no place in society.
Trump is the poster child of greed, ego, ignorance and scapegoating. I can remember as a kid in the 80s that this man was a joke and now the so called working man thinks he will be their savior? He hasn't done an honest days work in his life. Never had to earn anything. All he has ever done was sign papers and destroy time after time what was given to him.
Empathy isn't something we are born with. We are taught it all through our lives by our own suffering and watching others suffer. Donald Trump has never really suffered a day in his life. Even on his worst day he was still better off then 99% of the population. He won't be able to help these people because he just doesn't have the life experience to know what needs to be done.
I say never apologize for hate. It's a liberal trait that hasn't don't us well over the years. Makes us look weak. Its ok to hate someone if they truly deserve it. It's ok to kill bad people. I think an eye for an eye is a great policy. I have no problem punishing violent criminals with violence. I am a progressive because I think that's the best road for society to take. I believe every person on this planet has a right to live without fear and oppression and have some basic foundation to start their lives. What they do with it after that is up to them.
If someone is against that then really what kind of human being are they? Is there a hate line? I can hate Hitler but not Trump? I just pretty much just hate them all. They are a cancer for the human race. I'm definitely glad to see more liberals standing up and growing some balls lately.

Rhiannon12866

(202,966 posts)
13. Welcome back!
Wed Mar 1, 2017, 05:06 AM
Mar 2017

You sure came to the right place - at exactly the right time! It's great to have you with us!

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