Why is it that when Clinton holds a rally that 12,000 people attend it's a routine crowd, but...

[George II]

...when 10,000 people attend a Sanders rally it's spectacular?

I like Sanders, and was open to what he said up until about a month ago, but these swarming Sanders supporters (surrogates?) descending on DU have totally turned me off to his campaign.

[hrmjustin]

2. Well Hillary is a great candidate and I hope ypu feel welcome in this room.

[shenmue]

3. True

[Dawson Leery]

4. There are still elements around here that hate Hillary.

Also, there has been no pushback against Sanders for his NRA grade gun positions.

[Thinkingabout]

5. I guess we expect big crowds at Hillary rallies, and I might add though I may be in person I am

there in spirit. Welcome to the Hillary room, we are very enthusiastic for our candidate. Join in and enjoy.

[George II]

6. Thanks, and although her husband wasn't perfect he was the most inspiring president in my lifetime..

....until Obama appeared. I expect Hillary Clinton to be no less inspiring but not as eloquent or "cool" as Obama!

[Thinkingabout]

7. I agree, they have worked for hard working people for a long time.

[murielm99]

31. I love both Bill Clinton and Obama.

Neither of them have been perfect. We can't expect that. Only children expect life to be perfect. They find out in a hurry that it is not.

[okasha]

8. What I really care about in a candidate

is competence. Hillary has that plus experience. No one else comes close to her on either.

Sanders is admirable in many ways, but I can't imagine him jawboning Congress, or doing the arm-twisting and hard bargaining that were necessary to get the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts passed in the '60's.

[Kalidurga]

9. I think it's because Hillary has a lot more name recognition.

Bernie Sanders just launched his campaign like 4 weeks ago.

[sheshe2]

11. And how long has he been a Senator?

A member of the House? Years, sad he never made a name for himself.

[murielm99]

10. I have supported Hillary from the beginning.

I liked Bernie, but now I am turned off, because of his supporters here. They should be called detractors.

I am still not convinced that all of them are Democrats. Some of them come here during primaries, only to disrupt. They say nothing the rest of the time.

[oldandhappy]

12. Expectations.

We expect Hillary to do well, and want her to do well. Bernie has done better than expected so folk are surprised and react that way and reflect that surprise by saying WOW -- look at the crowd. We are a year away from the conventions. You would not know it from the chatter! Take a couple of weeks off from campaigns!

[hrmjustin]

15. You violated our safe haven.

Problem solved.

[still_one]

22. Thank you.

[SunSeeker]

17. For a new guy you sure aren't trying to make any friends around here.

I know a lot of people excited about Hillary. I'm excited about her. She's smart and strong and will fight for the issues that are important to me: women's rights, healthcare, education and addressing global warming.

Trashing us and calling us names is not going to make us abandon Hillary. It will just make us annoyed at you and your candidate.

I really like Bernie, but if he attracts rude people like you, maybe he's not the man I thought he was.

[joshcryer]

23. Worst jury results I've ever seen:

On Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:02 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

and what "turns you on" about Hillary's campaign?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=10761

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"new" person comes in the safe haven and starts a series of insults. "how dull are you people" and said in the safe haven group to the people in the group. No matter who you support, this should not stand.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jul 1, 2015, 04:09 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: smells like troll be gone needed MIRT
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Have at it MIRT...
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[OKNancy]

24. terrible... but fortunately BernieBlower has left the building - banned!

Notice the cowards who voted to leave didn't leave any reason.

[SunSeeker]

14. K & R

[sunnystarr]

16. I have a bigger worry ...

and I'm probably being paranoid ... but I remember in the 2000 election the R's were doing every dirty thing they could think of to peel away Dem votes. So they supported Ralph Nader.

The only chance they have in 2016 is to neutralize and peel away votes for Hillary. Now if they could just energize the liberals and progressives toward a candidate who is left of the left. Bernie is perfect. Not a Democrat and liberal enough to get the Dem base excited but totally beatable when they can attack his self described label as Democratic Socialist in a general election.

The majority of voters are low information. Even today you won't get them to vote for someone who wears the Socialist label - no matter what he says or promises. Of course he can throw in how he supports European policies and turn off more voters.

So just enlist political operatives to push Bernie to Dems and throw in the red meat of liberal/progressive policies and watch the dems jump in. If by chance Hillary squeaks through the primary, Bernie's ego would be real receptive to run on the Independent ticket. After all, he is an Independent and all his new supporters would be begging him to do it. Us Dems do love the underdog. Then you have the 3 way split and the Rs can slide in their candidate.

The Rs have extremely smart strategists who have been working on a plan for a long time. This unexpected BS groundswell sure make me suspicious and on guard. I just don't know why no one else is. They did it to us in 2000. Let's not let it happen again.

[SunSeeker]

18. Up to now I wasn't worried because Bernie has too much class to run as a spoiler candidate.

But then he said last Sunday he thinks he will win the nomination and the White House, and that was a surprisingly egotistical thing to come out of Bernie's mouth. He may have started believing his own press. And like I told our interloper up the thread, if Bernie keeps attracting such rude, counterproductive people as supporters, maybe Bernie is not the man I thought he was. Maybe Bernie might pull a Nader after all.

One thing's for sure. The GOP's wet dream is Bernie winning the Dem nomination or running third party in the general election.

[still_one]

20. I don't buy that about Bernie. However, I have no doubt that a sizable portion of Bernie's

supporters will not vote for the Democratic nominee if it is Hillary, and that mind set is pure Nader, and I won't even waste my time with them. I suspect if Hillary is the nominee, we will see some of those folks no longer a part of DU.

[SunSeeker]

27. From your lips to God's ears. nt

[murielm99]

32. Some of them will just stay quiet until

the next primary. Look at some of their profiles. Many of them have been here for awhile, but they have not posted much since just before the last Presidential election. They come here to disrupt during every primary and election season.

[still_one]

33. interesting observation

[still_one]

21. I absolutely reject the idea that Bernie would run 3rd party. However, there will be some folks

that won't support the Democratic nominee if it is Hillary here at DU. In fact, they have come out and started threads proclaiming that. Hopefully, that won't be tolerated when the nominee is chosen

[still_one]

19. I think you know the answer. DU used to be the "let's bash Obama" website among some. It has now

evolved into the "let's bash Hillary" website.

With Hillary I write some of it off to seasonal politics, but for a segment it is blind hate

[sufrommich]

25. Crowd size has never been a very good barometer of a candidate's

actual committed voters,just ask Ron Paul and Sarah Palin.

[Jamaal510]

26. It's not just DU doing that.

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MSNBC (and probably other networks) has also been discussing his big crowds while ignoring the fact that he's not the only candidate to attract large numbers. In their case, I think they're primarily interested in giving a perception of a horserace and to come up with a story like with the 2012 election. They've been covering the polling of just one state (NH) within the D primary, but I don't see them discuss the numerous national polls as often where the margin is much more decisive. And big crowds won't mean a thing if it doesn't translate into votes and boots-on-the-ground effort. Ron Paul drew one of the largest crowds of anyone running in '08 and 2012, but came nowhere close to the White House.

[George II]

28. There have been some reports on other states, but it's been predominantly........

....Iowa and New Hampshire, neither of which are even close to overall US demographics.

His best showing is New Hampshire, which happens to share a ~200 mile border with Vermont, his home state, and has virtually identical demographics as Vermont.

If he doesn't show well in New Hampshire (and being behind 8-10% isn't all that good) how is he going to do in the midwest, south, and southwest?

[FloridaBlues]

29. I'm new to this group so happy it's here some sanity!

[George II]

30. Welcome, good to see you, enjoy the site (and the sanity!)

[McCamy Taylor]

34. The MSM is so scared of Hillary that it is funny.