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Stuckinthebush

(10,847 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:21 AM Feb 2016

Everyone's Talking About Bernie Sanders' Finger Wagging in Last Night's Debate

http://www.glamour.com/inspired/blogs/the-conversation/2016/02/everyones-talking-about-bernie

HA! Senator Jazz Hands gets panned in Glamour:

Amid the morning-after pundrity, there is one thing from last night's debate that people from almost every political viewpoint can agree on: Bernie Sanders wags his finger a lot. He used it to scold Clinton; he used it to signal to the moderators that he wanted to speak; he used it to express his disgust with the 1%. It was... unusual.

The Washington Post made a helpful video compilation.

It's notable though, that Sanders was shaking his finger at women. He was the only man on stage (!), along with Secretary Clinton and moderators Judy Woodruff and Gwen Ifill. In that context, the finger wagging came off as especially imperious and condescending, as noted by many on Twitter. Some saw it as an example of mansplaining, though his supporters mostly just found it hilarious.


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Everyone's Talking About Bernie Sanders' Finger Wagging in Last Night's Debate (Original Post) Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 OP
Oh, so some are talking about BS's demeanor.. finally! Cha Feb 2016 #1
People are beginning to notice... NurseJackie Feb 2016 #6
It's surreal that it's finally happening, Jackie.. after having the information Cha Feb 2016 #7
I have always, ALWAYS, found it to be one of his most ANNOYING traits. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #2
Same here. He thinks he's superior to everyone. I don't need livetohike Feb 2016 #5
Well, most of the "PURE" do feel superior CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #9
It is Lent, LOL. livetohike Feb 2016 #10
Ye-ah! Cha Feb 2016 #25
Maybe because it's just the two of them now mcar Feb 2016 #3
How is that "unusual"? He is always that way and it's disgusting. What is wrong livetohike Feb 2016 #4
He did look very frustrated riversedge Feb 2016 #24
Finger waggling peggysue2 Feb 2016 #8
The constant gesturing with both hands gets to me CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #11
Hah! peggysue2 Feb 2016 #13
Hahahaha! Entertaining find, Cajun! Loved it! BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #15
This made my day! Stuckinthebush Feb 2016 #20
Omg - lolololol!!! Politicub Feb 2016 #21
Senator Jazz Hands? Lucinda Feb 2016 #12
He is condescending, and rude as hell! pandr32 Feb 2016 #14
To me, last night he looked like he was about to lose it. hamsterjill Feb 2016 #16
Religion and religious expression comes in many forms. (Deja-vu all over again.) eom fleabiscuit Feb 2016 #17
As a man I can tell you that finger wagging is a sure fire way to quiet down the ladies. onehandle Feb 2016 #18
Downright bizarre Politicub Feb 2016 #19
The finger pointing was getting old Gothmog Feb 2016 #22
Not to mention the rudeness katmille Feb 2016 #23
I just saw it with the sound muted.. thank you very much. I didn't see the debate Cha Feb 2016 #26
Are we allowed to criticize any aspect of Saint Bernie Sanders? n/t SylviaD Feb 2016 #27

Cha

(297,424 posts)
1. Oh, so some are talking about BS's demeanor.. finally!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:25 AM
Feb 2016

Thank you!

Amid the morning-after pundrity, there is one thing from last night's debate that people from almost every political viewpoint can agree on: Bernie Sanders wags his finger a lot. He used it to scold Clinton; he used it to signal to the moderators that he wanted to speak; he used it to express his disgust with the 1%. It was... unusual.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. People are beginning to notice...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:39 AM
Feb 2016

... and they're noticing the same things we've been pointing out for months! (... and having posts hidden for as well. But there are no "alert buttons" and juries to silence the media and pundits.)

Cha

(297,424 posts)
7. It's surreal that it's finally happening, Jackie.. after having the information
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

censored for so long!

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. I have always, ALWAYS, found it to be one of his most ANNOYING traits.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:28 AM
Feb 2016

In my opinion, it's a sign of overt disrespect and implied superiority. It suggests to me that he sees himself as an authoritarian "parental figure" who needs to "scold" and put someone in their place.

Perhaps he doesn't see it this way and maybe he doesn't believe it himself, but that's how it comes across and I find it to be EXCEEDINGLY off-putting.

livetohike

(22,154 posts)
5. Same here. He thinks he's superior to everyone. I don't need
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:33 AM
Feb 2016

to be lectured by him. Glad Hillary lectured him about his allegiance to President Obama and the Democratic Party. She did it without finger pointing and wildly waving her arms about.

mcar

(42,356 posts)
3. Maybe because it's just the two of them now
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:28 AM
Feb 2016

Or maybe it was more pronounced. Next to Hillary's calm demeanor, it was really off-putting.

livetohike

(22,154 posts)
4. How is that "unusual"? He is always that way and it's disgusting. What is wrong
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:29 AM
Feb 2016

with him? It's so annoying that I don't look at the TV when he is speaking. Mute the sound and look at his body language. He looks manic.

peggysue2

(10,836 posts)
8. Finger waggling
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:56 AM
Feb 2016

Sanders has done this from the start, the finger waggle. As if he's trying to get a waiter's attention, someone quipped. I think it's more like trying to wave down a cab. Whatever. A quirky habit for sure.

But the finger waggle is an instrument to interrupt, to add and have the last word. Which is rarely illuminating. Frequently, the gesture is followed by a ramble off topic or to paraphrase something Hillary has already said. This is particularly the case when the subject of foreign policy comes up. Sanders is simply not prepared on the subject and he hasn't taken the time to inform himself. That's why Hillary's close was so effective: I am not a one issue candidate. The differences were glaring.

A good night for Hillary. Bernie? Not so much.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
11. The constant gesturing with both hands gets to me
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:27 AM
Feb 2016

Most people use gestures with both hands to emphasis important points. Sanders does it all of he time like he is conducting an orchestra or playing bongo drums. Even if I supported him it would be very annoying after a while.

Someone had a neat clip in which they inserted bongo drums in front of Sanders while he was really emphatic with his two handed gesturing and it really looked like he was playing the drums - hilarious! I wish I could find that clip. If anyone can locate it please post it here.

Oh wait, Google is an amazing tool!

Bernie playing bongos:



Politicub

(12,165 posts)
21. Omg - lolololol!!!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:51 PM
Feb 2016

I shouldn't have watched that while I'm eating. I almost did a spit take because it was so funny.

pandr32

(11,595 posts)
14. He is condescending, and rude as hell!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:32 PM
Feb 2016

Certainly not a "presidential" demeanor at all. He seemingly is dismissive of everything and everyone. This dude's mind is closed tight--he already thinks he has figured everything out. Over the years he has changed his stump speech reference from "millionaires" to "billionaires" and he awkwardly inserts some references to POC and women that come off like afterthoughts. His campaign people have obviously instructed him to include references to these groups.

hamsterjill

(15,223 posts)
16. To me, last night he looked like he was about to lose it.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:24 PM
Feb 2016

His face was red and he was coughing. I seriously hope the gentleman is not ill - and I mean that, even as I support Hillary. I don't wish Bernie Sanders bad.

Hillary came off as much more in control. In command. Of the two, she is the more capable. Presidents of the United States do not have the option of "losing it" no matter what they go up against.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
19. Downright bizarre
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

There were only the two of them on stage, and they were taking turns speaking.

Bernie was a clownish version of Rubio combined with Jim Webb last night. He was like Rubio by only sticking to one robotic message. The Webb finger wagging and whining about getting a chance to speak also was practiced by Sanders.

At least it made sense with Webb, albeit he still looked small. Webb was trying to interject because there were MULTIPLE SPEAKERS. With Sanders' finger wagging, it looked like he was asking for the check or shooing women, the LGBT community, Hispanics and African Americans from the zone of purity that surrounds him.

katmille

(213 posts)
23. Not to mention the rudeness
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:07 PM
Feb 2016

Of the grimaces while Hillary was speaking, the constant little burps of attempting to interrupt, the annoying habit of always needing to have the last word. Jonathan Capehart and Paul Begala both mentioned that.
He was very hard to watch. Even harder to listen to -- with his one-note mantra.
Hillary rocked!

Cha

(297,424 posts)
26. I just saw it with the sound muted.. thank you very much. I didn't see the debate
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:22 AM
Feb 2016

so this was quite illustrative of what all the finger wagging talk was about.

Not what I want to see in my POTUS.

Thank you, Stuck~

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