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Gman

(24,780 posts)
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:52 AM Feb 2016

Feel the Fraud? (HRC PROTECTED GROUP)

The Sanders campaign has been engaging in an artful smear of Hillary Clinton, using Elizabeth Warren to do their dirty work.

Hillary Corrects the Record on the Bankruptcy Vote:

CLINTON: When I got to the Senate in 2001, one of the first big votes there was on a version of the bankruptcy bill and I was deluged by women’s groups and children’s advocates groups to do everything I could to make sure that child support and women’s precarious financial situation in case of divorce or not being able to get the kind of funding they needed from a partner or a spouse in bankruptcy would not be endangered. And it was. The current — that bill was making it a very low priority. So I did go to work on behalf of all these women’s groups and children’s groups because they needed a champion. And I got that bill changed. And in return, it had nothing to do with any money whatsoever — and I resent deeply any effort by the Sanders campaign to so imply. It had to do with trying to get a deal that would protect women.

And so then three years later, part of Senator Warren said, you played. You didn’t play the whole thing, because we’ve been allies. I faced a tough decision and I stood up for women and children.

I went to the Senate floor, said that was exactly what I was doing. Then the bill did not pass. It never became law. And then when the next bill came up, 2005, women’s issues were taken care of because I had made that a point back in 2001. And so then I was against that bill. I didn’t get a chance to actually vote against it because Bill was in the hospital having a heart procedure. But I put a statement out. I was against it. So I’m happy to set this record straight. And I really want to, once again, call out the Sanders campaign, which claims they like to run a positive campaign. But they have been quite artful in raising questions and trying to cast doubts about my record.

And I really am not going to sit and take it anymore.

I have a public record. I have never, ever been influenced in a view or a vote by anyone who has given me any kind of money. So I’m just going to keep setting the record straight.

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/11/1483209/-Feel-the-Fraud


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Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. Facts do matter, Hillary's advocation for children is very important to her,
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:57 AM
Feb 2016

She made the right vote because of the children. I would like to see if he can produce where her vote has changed in relationship to donations directly or indirectly. We know it happens many times to congressional votes.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
6. He was clearly trying to conflate her with Republicans last night - and it was NOT a mistake.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:09 AM
Feb 2016

That's one of the sneaky, underhanded tactics he and his campaign employ against her: subliminal messaging to his supporters that she's really a Republican.

Subliminal messaging is far more effective than outright attacking someone because it works as a dog whistle to the already unsure and when you get called on it by your opponent, you can just gasp and look surprised and say, "I never said that!".

Gman

(24,780 posts)
8. They don't get that on the political spectrum
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:21 AM
Feb 2016

He and his supporters are to the left. That leaves the not as left and middle for her.

The biggest surprise for me this year has been how similar the far left and right are. Both are willing and wanting to create their own reality, facts be damned. I seriously did not think that could happen with the left.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
10. It's the political science "horseshoe theory".
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016


The extreme Left are closer to the extreme Right than either side either knows or cares to acknowledge.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
13. I've never seen that but it's changing
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

I predict a day coming when the far left and the far right will see how much they have in common. The far right being poor and low middle class whites who are just as much victims of the current system as everyone else. I think they will eventually see that the distractions of religion, guns, abortion, immigration, etc are not making their lives better. I think it's already happening with their attraction to Trump. They're looking for a savior, albeit in the wrong place. They may not seek each other out but rather will come together. It could happen in the next 10 years.

They will be a formidable voting block. They may coalesce behind some independent.

Fla Dem

(23,711 posts)
7. Outstanding piece. It's nice to see someone who is debunking all of Sander's lies.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:14 AM
Feb 2016

Love the Fact Checking Bernie Graphics. Theses need to be made into usable tiles for posting.

pandr32

(11,595 posts)
9. I bookmarked the article
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:35 AM
Feb 2016

It is a great article that highlights many things that contradict Sanders' packaged image as an "honest" candidate, as a "non-establishment" candidate, as a champion of the people candidate, and as a progressive, but certainly not all of them. This is how he has chosen to sell himself and due to the fact that he has been under the radar as a rather ineffective career politician until the last couple of years when Elizabeth Warren hit the senate floor with a new style that gave Sanders some pizzazz--finally, for his sake. And now here he is trying to fulfill his dream of leading a revolution of his own.

He seriously wants to be the leader of a revolution! He has been fascinated with socialist tyrants who gained power through revolution for many years. He went to see Daniel Ortega, a corrupt tyrant, and called him "impressive." He tried to meet Fidel Castro and was rebuffed, but some lesser staff member met with him, and he traveled to Russia and honeymooned there. I don't believe he wants to be a tyrant, but he does want to lead a revolution in order to transform a nation, and we have already started to see how his followers want to bully others and shut down their voices. This whole "revolution" is going to cause huge problems for the Democratic Party and for its agenda of real meaningful change that will hold against Republican-led assaults.

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
12. Something I Heard About Hillary Clinton is Untrue from another was put oout in Sept 2015 KOS Diary
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:06 PM
Feb 2016

They knew all along and I think that is why Warren is now silent after the use of her interview.


<On March 10, 2005 when the Senate voted on bill #S.256 - the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005, Senator Durbin announced that Clinton was necessarily absent. Her husband needed surgery that day because of complications resulting from a heart bypass operation six months earlier. News reports said that she was with him at the hospital. She returned to Congress on March 11 and her statement about the bankruptcy bill is worth a read.
Mrs. Clinton. Mr. President, while I strongly believe that Congress should act to fix the problems in our bankruptcy system, I also believe that this bill is misguided and deeply flawed.

This bankruptcy bill fundamentally fails to accord with the traditional purposes of bankruptcy, which recognize that we are all better off when hardworking people who have suffered financial catastrophe get a ‘‘fresh start. . .’’

It [Bankruptcy reform] should be about making sure that both large corporations and individual citizens are held to the same standards of responsibility and accountability.

This bill is flawed in a number of ways. But I want to begin by commenting on one of its most distressing elements. As many people know, I have long been concerned about the burdens placed on America’s families by a lack of health care insurance and by rising healthcare costs. In this bill, the Senate had an opportunity to take one important step to help citizens driven to the point of bankruptcy by unavoidable medical problems. Instead, the Senate rejected this opportunity to lighten the load on Americans dealing with the twin blows of medical and financial difficulties. The Senate’s failure to act is all the more striking to me today, because I must submit this statement into the Record while attending to a medical situation in my own family.

The world has changed since this bill was considered in 2001. During the past 4 years, workers have sustained unprecedented job losses, endured termination of pension plans, and faced wage cuts and elimination of health care and other benefits as a result of their employer’s bankruptcy. Many of these bankruptcies have been the direct result of wrongdoing by corporate mismanagement. The people who take the biggest hit when big companies go bankrupt aren’t the top executives, but the ordinary employees whose pensions and healthcare coverage disappear overnight.

And to make matters even worse, yesterday the Senate, again led by the Republican leadership, rejected an amendment offered by Senator Kennedy, which would have outlawed unlimited homestead exemptions. This would have prevented the wealthiest Americans from avoiding responsibility by hiding their assets from creditors.

The Senate also rejected an amendment that was intended to reinsert language that had been in the legislation the Senate passed in 2001, which would have prevented the discharge in bankruptcy of all liability for willful violation of protective orders and violent protests of providers of lawful services, such as reproductive health services.

Even though this language was in the 2001 Senate-passed bill, it is conspicuously absent from the bankruptcy bill that the Senate is now considering 4 years later.

Because of unforeseen and unavoidable circumstances, I will not be present when the Senate votes on final passage of this bill today. But were I able to be here, I would vote no, because this bill is clearly not in the best interests of the American people.>

https://www.congress.gov/...

Its on the record...........too!!!!!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/22/1423815/-Something-I-Heard-About-Hillary-Clinton-is-Untrue-The-Bankruptcy-Bill-Edition

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