Hillary Clinton
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A big what if.
What if Hillary and Rubio were the Dem and Rep candidates and Trump and Bernie ran as independents?
ask me to delete and I will.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I can see Trump doing it just for the publicity. Although Sanders has said he would not, he could change his mind citing the enormous support of his supporters to do so.
In that case, I guess someone getting 26% of the electorate could become President. That is concerning.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)I think the way this country is divided it will happen someday. I have never seen the split in the
Democratic party as wide as it is now?
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)I think he is very capable of doing that. He sounded angry and ready to get ugly this morning
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I hope not, but it is possible. If Sanders doesn't become President, I think enough of his supporters are spiteful enough to accept a GOPer appointing 2 or 3 Supreme Court Justices, repealing the ACA and replacing it with inadequate vouchers, cutting Social Security, bombing Iran, etc.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)They are both ready to scorch the earth. Why would Bernie care? He will go back to Vermont and as an Independent. I also believe a majority of his fans would never vote for Hillary.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Very bad news for us but he hates us anyway
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I think Nevada was Sanders' last stand and he lost. After this the losses are going to get bigger and bigger until he's in O'Malley territory and the only exit is a nice speech. He won't be able to claim a groundswell because there isn't any except maybe in NH and VT so there goes the 3rd party scenario though I have no doubt he'd do it if the story was different.
Let Trump split the ticket. I can't shake the suspicion he's in this to help the Clintons but that would definitely help.
Fla Dem
(24,017 posts)If the US ends up with either Trump or Rubio, or worse Cruz, he will never be forgiven for it. Could be the end of his senate career. Although at 75 (will be in Sept) he may not care if he is re-elected in 2018.
I think if HRC goes up against Cruz she wins, if Rubio, a toss up because the Cruz people will coalesce with Trump and might give Trump the needed votes over a divided Dem vote.
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)With the Koch Birchers now patting Sanders on the back in (ahem) agreement of "too much money in politics" , expect it.
Typical Koch owned teaparty tactics.
This campaign has always been about destroying the Dem Party with dog whistles.
IMO
Will post the link to the Koch ref asap.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-koch-this-is-the-one-issue-where-bernie-sanders-is-right/2016/02/18/cdd2c228-d5c1-11e5-be55-2cc3c1e4b76b_story.html
When the fattest wallets in town are publicly patting ya on the back for the very thing they are up to their eyeballs in, well..yup.
Doesnt matter. Sanders & Trump can split the Indy fringe votes. Hillary will continue to carry the true Dems & win the GE in the end.
spyker29
(89 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)No way that happens with the four mentioned above on the ballot.
And I agree, hard to see one of four getting more than half of electoral college
Treant
(1,968 posts)and please don't delete.
It's getting late to get on the ballot on many states, which also look askance (or it's not legal) for those who already ran on another ballot to run then as an Independent. In those states, except for write-ins, Trump and Sanders wouldn't matter.
When Sanders does not win the Democratic Party endorsement fair and square (and that will happen), a lot of blush will be off the rose. He should perform about as well as a typical Independent.
Ditto with Trump on the other side.
Will it lead to no candidate getting 271 Electoral votes? Maybe...but I seriously think that it won't end up mattering. Trump and Sanders end up with 0-10 EVs each, and Rubio and Clinton would split the rest on predictable boundaries.
Which, all else being equal, leads to a Clinton Presidency.
Now if Sanders does run but Trump does not (Sanders has already stated he wouldn't do this, but...), then the map would change.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)vocal supporters on DU will.
jsmirman
(4,507 posts)I think he's really enjoyed the adulation, but I think he wants a plank, not a fire in the auditorium.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)But if Trump wins the Rep nom, the political world as we know it is over. I guess that means that the Tea Party successfully nuked the GOP, which seems like a great thing, but then so much will be in flux. Law of unintended consequences and all that....
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)That's why he is running as a Dem. He said this early in the process; I don't know how he feels now. You can get a fairly large head when your supporters keep telling you how great you are.