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redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:01 PM Apr 2016

Not Good, Not Good At All- by Josh Marshall

This is a good read. This is really what happened. No spin.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/not-good-not-good-at-all--2

ByJOSH MARSHALLPublishedAPRIL 7, 2016, 1:20 PM EDT
As you no doubt saw, last night Bernie Sanders launched a pretty blistering attack on Hillary Clinton, calling her unqualified to be president because of various past positions, relationships and votes. The attack was premised on Sanders' claim that Clinton had said that he was unqualified to serve as president. Only she didn't say that. The sorry tale tracks back to what was simply a false story in The Washington Post. The Post published a story that put together various Clinton interviews and recent statements and summed it up as 'Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be President.' As I said last night, I'm willing to believe, actually assume that Sanders was told the story was true. But the fact is that it wasn't.

This morning he half blamed the press for the false claim but also doubled down on it. "So when, you have headlines in The Washington Post, 'Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president,' my response is well, you know, if you want to question my qualifications ..."

All candidates, by definition, say that they're more qualified than their opponent. Various things Clinton said can be reasonably interpreted as questioning whether Sanders is up to the job of the presidency. But it is an entirely different matter when an opponent, in his own voice, says flatly his challenger is "unqualified" to serve as President of the country. That's something that cannot be unsaid. If Clinton is the nominee, it will undoubtedly be a staples of GOP stump speeches in the Fall. These are simple realities of political campaigns. Primaries that drag on get intense. Especially in the venomous and kinetic New York media environment. The Clinton operation has plenty of sharp elbows themselves. But it is incumbent on both candidates to fight hard and yet not say things that can't be unsaid - not always as easy thing to manage. Because it matters a lot on various fronts, what the candidate him or herself says, says explicitly.

The scuffle got more intense and more cynical later this morning when Sanders' campaign manager Jeff Weaver came on MSNBC and now explicitly doubled down, actually doubly double-down. He says the Post was right. Clinton did say Sanders was unqualified. So they'll say it about her. So there!

Now, as I've watched this campaign unfold, I've increasingly had the sense that Weaver is a, maybe the key source of toxicity and cynicism in the Sanders camp, and I suspect doesn't care terribly about the November election if Sanders isn't the standard bearer. Obviously Sanders is responsible for his own campaign. And it's difficult to overestimate the mix of exhaustion, frustration and intensity that gets churned up in a hotly contested race like this. People get mad. On both sides. No crying in baseball, of course. Campaigns can and do do what they feel they need to do. But the consequences are ones all should understand and absorb.

This is cynical. It's a lie. And it's playing with fire.



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Not Good, Not Good At All- by Josh Marshall (Original Post) redstateblues Apr 2016 OP
Weaver is Karl Rove--only without the brains. nt MADem Apr 2016 #1
Bernie needs to learn to be more of a statesman WhiteTara Apr 2016 #2
Josh, I stopped reading your website years ago. Zephyrbag Apr 2016 #3
Apparently you are unaware that you are in the Hillary Group. nt. Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author GusBob Apr 2016 #10
Wrong group. Bye. Hekate Apr 2016 #11
Oh shit oh dear Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #12
Brawaaaa.. don'tcha mean way too real? Which is exactly what his OP was.. way too real Cha Apr 2016 #13
cranky achsadu Apr 2016 #4
a little confused at times redstateblues Apr 2016 #9
K & R, good post. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #5
Josh is SPOT.ON. Nt pkdu Apr 2016 #6
Bernie would look better... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #8
Great Spot on Post, CCD.. Well done! He needed to apologize but I'm guessing he Cha Apr 2016 #14
KNR Lucinda Apr 2016 #15

Response to Zephyrbag (Reply #3)

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,100 posts)
12. Oh shit oh dear
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:34 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders is 16 years older than me. He's been in congress for 25 years. He's made 6 figures the whole time. Yet if I'm to believe what he says his net worth is less than mine.

The most I've ever mad in a year is $70,000. Either he's really fucking stupid with money or he's a fucking liar. Either way I don't want him running the country.

Cha

(297,424 posts)
13. Brawaaaa.. don'tcha mean way too real? Which is exactly what his OP was.. way too real
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:43 AM
Apr 2016

about BS.. called him and his toxic manager, jeff weaver out good and proper.

Finally someone is calling them on their shite.

achsadu

(41 posts)
4. cranky
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:10 PM
Apr 2016

I think that, as much as I like Bernie, he seems to be getting quite cranky at this stage of the contest; he seems tired and way too repetitive.

achsa.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. K & R, good post.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:11 PM
Apr 2016

Far a long time their campaign and supporters have been to continue repeating talking points which are not true, this was a new talking point and there is nothing to back it up except for an errorous WaPo article. I was told this morning if I googled it there would be several links saying the same thing but it did not change facts. Hillary did call victim to Scarborough's tactic, now Sanders made a bad decision and now he owns his statement.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
8. Bernie would look better...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

... and would be doing them both a world of good if he just came out today and apologized for misreading the Washington Post story. We can forgive mistakes, but not intentional acts of malice.

That's what Bernie's claim was, barring an apology. If he continues to stand by it, it was a cold-blooded act of pre-meditated character assassination. It's in a different league than any 'artful smear' that either side might have thrown around.

Now, he just looks like any other sniveling politician who will say anything he has to in order to win.

Cha

(297,424 posts)
14. Great Spot on Post, CCD.. Well done! He needed to apologize but I'm guessing he
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 12:55 AM
Apr 2016

doesn't want to be seen as wrong again in the eyes of his followers.

Apologies are for other people.. he was asked to apologize for Sandy Hook not being able to sue Gun Manufacturers and he said Hillary needs to apologize for Iraq.. Well, she already did.. in her book, Hard Choices.

Tag berni's it

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