Vatican says Bernie reached out to them to obtain the invite and it sounds like they are not

[seaglass]

Last edited Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:25 PM - Edit history (2)

happy with him playing politics with this.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/vatican-academy-criticizes-sanders-s-monumental-discourtesy

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders reached out to obtain his invitation to the Vatican and showed “monumental discourtesy” in the process, a senior Vatican official said.

“Sanders made the first move, for the obvious reasons,” Margaret Archer, president of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the conference Sanders will attend, said in a telephone interview. “I think in a sense he may be going for the Catholic vote but this is not the Catholic vote and he should remember that and act accordingly -- not that he will.”

on edit: more detail -
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation
...
However Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the Academy, speaking on the phone from New York, said he extended the invitation to Sanders, though he declined to say who initiated the contacts.

“We are interested in having him because we have two presidents coming from Latin America, I thought it would be good to have an authoritative voice from North America,” Sanchez Sorondo said. Asked when he when the invitation was extended, he said, “Quite some time ago.”

...

Sanders earlier on Friday said, “this is an invitation from the Vatican, from a pope that I have enormous respect for in term of the level of consciousness that he’s raising on the need to have morality in our economy."

The office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from Sanders’s visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

on edit - one last update
http://fox6now.com/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-to-visit-vatican-city-days-before-ny-primary/

“It does not signify any support of the campaign,” Sorondo explained. “We want to establish a dialogue between North America and South America so we thought to invite a (U.S.) politician. The President of Bolivia will also be there. Perhaps the others (candidates) would have been interested but they did not request to come.”

Asked if Sanders had requested an invitation, he said, “He has expressed an interest many times in the Pope’s encyclical and it’s clear that he has an interest in studying it. It might have that effect, (of looking like they approve of campaign) but we are not looking to support the campaign.”

[Her Sister]

1. Another Fail?

[enid602]

30. dang

And just when it seemed that St Bernie finally found another politician he can play nice with.

[WhiteTara]

2. Interesting. I thought that this might have come

from Naomi Klein as she is working with the Vatican for climate change.

[lunasun]

5. Me too. I assumed that would be one of the main subjects

for the meeting , ......for obvious reasons

[Her Sister]

3. Hmmm

Sanders told MSNBC earlier on Friday that he had been “very moved by the invitation” to the Vatican, adding: “I am a big fan of the Pope.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/vatican-academy-criticizes-sanders-s-monumental-discourtesy

[Cha]

10. WTH! Damn.. can he ever just tell the truth?! I had wondered about this because I read

somewhere that they invited him.. and I wondered why?!!

Yeah, berni's playing political games with the Pope. Not cool berni.

[Iliyah]

4. UMMMMM

Seriously I can not see the Vatican inviting just one presidential candidate.

[Cha]

11. I know it made no sense whatsoever!

[BlueMTexpat]

49. It most certainly would not.

In fact, the Vatican - as opposed to this Academy (a separate institution) - would not specifically invite ANY Presidential candidate from any country to the Vatican unless that person were uniquely qualified to address a specific issue that had nothing to do with politics.

Frankly, insofar as climate change is concerned, if they wanted the voice of a US politician, it would have made better sense for them to invite MOM, who actually knows what he's talking about. There would also never have been an inference of interfering in ongoing US elections.

[PatV]

54. Maybe he does't like war lovers? Or people who send little children back to a killing ground

in order to 'send a message' to people who are dying because of her support of a bunch or military narco-terrorists not to send their kids here? Or while head of the State Department fucked up everything she touched and is responsible for so much death and destruction. I doubt Francis is really impressed with "We came. We saw. He died."

[jmowreader]

63. Maybe you didn't notice this isn't the Bernie Sanders group

Please stop posting here.

[dcbuckeye]

6. Wait until the press gets a hold of this

Bernie going to look bad

[Cha]

7. Wow, I wondered about that when I read he had been invited by them?! Because I was thinking

he wanted to change the subject from all the bad press he's made for himself.

Did Kim Davis see the Pope too.. and wasn't there some controversy over that?

Thank you for this, seaglass~

[pandr32]

8. Well good luck with him schooling the Pope on why he doesn't believe in charities

Bernie is well known as a cheapskate.

[Satch59]

9. When will this make more news?

Or even better, a Daily News cover?? Pandering much Bernie?

[geek tragedy]

12. this is like Romney's European Vacation in 2008 nt

[sufrommich]

13. St.Bernie the panderer.

And coming right after the pope announces that Catholics shouldn't be mean to gays,divorced people and women who have had abortions,but they're still going to burn in hell.

[KittyWampus]

17. I can think of a few DU'ers who show up on any thread about Pope Francis

to let everyone know what a homophobe he is and how REAL liberals don't want anything to do with him.

[fleabiscuit]

60. Hmm... I wonder why the woman candidate wasn't invited? eom

[BlueCaliDem]

14. Oh wow. It was being reported that the Vatican reached out to *him*. Now they're pushing back,

saying that he reached out to them! He's playing politics, hoping for a big win among the large demographic of Catholic voters in Pennsylvania.

I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. I genuinely want to give our candidates the benefit of the doubt, but it's becoming increasingly difficult with the Bernie campaign. So it's yet another Bernie lie to add to his already long list of lies.

[DemonGoddess]

15. When I first heard about this

I definitely thought he was pandering. The papal nuncio who got Kim Davis in to see Pope Francis, is now fired, by the way. He doesn't LIKE when people try to mix their politics with religion.

[BlueCaliDem]

21. "The papal nuncio who got Kim Davis in to see Pope Francis, is now fired" ~ I had NO idea! This is

excellent news, and it's a sign that the Papal will immediately punish those who are trying to inject politics into the Catholic Church.

Thanks for this wonderful news, DG.

[Cha]

18. Sanders told MSNBC earlier on Friday that he had been “very moved by the invitation” to the Vatican,

adding: “I am a big fan of the Pope.”

Sounds like sanders started the false rumor.. they have no shame.. I hope he gets major blowback on this.

[BlueCaliDem]

23. He was clearly pandering now that the truth's come out, and the Vatican is NOT happy about this.

Yes, it appears Sanders himself began the false rumors, and I'm surprised at how quick the Vatican has come out to correct the record. Did Bernie think they wouldn't??

[Cha]

25. He must have thought they wouldn't dare question BS! Wasn't there something

with Kim Davis getting an audience with the Pope and they had to come out and say they didn't invite her or something?

[BlueCaliDem]

28. Well, he thought wrong. Humility is always the best policy when dealing with powerful institutions

like the Vatican that does everything they can to stay out of politics (since their history regarding politics isn't a very good one).

Yes, the Apostolic nuncio was fired (replaced) for pushing Kim Davis on to the Pope when he was in the country for a visit.

[Cha]

32. Thank you for that, Cali.. I'm too sleepy.

Will be going soon.

Why didn't he just tell everyone he wanted to go see the Pope instead of letting people think he has a special invitation? It seems like BS has gotten as old as he is and not learned that the truth works. He must not have gotten busted enough to learn that lesson since he's obviously prone.

[Her Sister]

33. Good night!

Wasn't a bad day/week? All is well!!

[Cha]

35. What a switch from yesterday or was the day before when we were all

so pissed when he said she wasn't qualified to be POTUS?

The backlash couldn't be any better!

Good Morning but my sleeping hours are unusual.

[BlueCaliDem]

36. Aw, Cha. I know how you feel. I'm feeling fine for now, but I'll be slowing down soon, too.

For later, sleep well, dear Cha. Dream of President Obama and VP Biden campaigning with Hillary all across the nation. That will certainly put a smile on your lips.

As for Bernie's motive to lie about the invite, I couldn't tell you. It's not as if it wouldn't have been fact-checked. Oh well. Yet another mistake in a short period of time of mistakes. Bad for him. Good for us.

For soon, sleep well!

[Her Sister]

37. It galvanized a lot of HRC supporters

Made DeMS blood boil and got many people off the fences. Now everyone is coming out of the woodwork to bat for HRC.
Also great that's happening before NY!! Please everyone keep vetting!! BS surrogates keep talking!

HRC stay beautiful!!

GOODDREAMZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz!

[Cha]

39. Mahalo Sweetie~ I'll leave you with this since you instigated it.. lol

NuclearDem~

[NastyRiffraff]

42. Yeah.

On Friday, Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi released an extraordinary statement, personally approved by Pope Francis, debunking nearly everything that has been reported this week about a meeting between the pope and Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who has refused to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

The private meeting between Davis, her husband, Joe, and the pope, which Davis’ attorney says took place at the Apostolic Nunciature (Vatican Embassy) in Washington, D.C. last Thursday? It didn’t happen. Instead, Davis was one of “several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet [Pope Francis] as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City,” Lombardi said in the statement.

The statement stressed that “the only real audience” — private meeting— “granted by the Pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family.” As CNN reported Friday afternoon, that student, Yayo Grassi, happens to be an openly gay man who brought along his partner of 19 years. “Three weeks before the trip, [Pope Francis] called me on the phone and said he would love to give me a hug,” Grassi told CNN.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-real-story-behind-the-1269547693457462.html

And Bernie's insinuation that he was "invited" is the same, sleezy example of using the pope to further an agenda.

[DemonGoddess]

47. apparently so

However, Pope Francis doesn't appreciate when pols try to push him, or put words in his mouth, or ascribe actions to him that he did not, in fact, make.

[yallerdawg]

16. Well, that's some two-faced shit.

I caught him on AM Joe and he acted as if this was a special invitation recognizing his particular political stance on the "moral effects of income inequality."

He even smiled when MSNBC 'broke' the news.

Whatever, Bernie.

[Cha]

27. Another strike against BS for trying to fool the public.

[NuclearDem]

19. All of Catholicism under the bus in 3...2...1...

[Cha]

22. That was quick.. have they even caught on to the lastest news coming out of Rome, yet?

[Cha]

40. ..

[UtahLib]

20. Bernie seems to be an expert

at twisting the facts to suit his own purposes.

[Cha]

24. Seems to think he's never going to be held accountable.. knows his fans well.. but he might just

start losing some. the bigger they are..

[riversedge]

44. He was name dropping today--but Francis put the stop to that.

[Maru Kitteh]

26. Ooooo fucking OUCH. Bern just got burned big time.

[Tanuki]

29. Jeffrey Sachs, a rabid Bernie fan,is also speaking and he has a

Last edited Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:40 PM - Edit history (2)

long history with the Pontifical Academy, has organized conferences with them in the past, etc. I would not be surprised if he had a big hand in this. The wording of Bernie's press release is typically misleading.

[seaglass]

46. That sounds right, it appears Sachs has a relationship with Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the one

who invited Bernie.

[Cha]

50. If he was "invited" then why is the Vatican distancing themselves from him and calling it

a "discourtesy"?

[lolly]

64. Yes, exactly. I read that somewhere

A storify link? Can't find it now.

Jeffrey Sachs is one of the academics who is participating, and he apparently asked/told Sorondo that inviting Sanders would be a good idea.

Had nothing to do with the Pope.

And sounds like Sanders didn't even really know what it was, and perhaps thought it was some sort of special invite to speak to the pope?

On edit--Here it is.

Makes Sanders look pretty ridiculous.

[mcar]

31. I knew there was more to this

Thanks, seaglass!

[Her Sister]

34. Jane is catholic, right?

Is BS still going?

[liberal N proud]

38. Nothing but political stunts

That is all BS has!

Bernie Sanders is a Political Stunt Man!

[postatomic]

41. Does this qualify as an 'establishment move'?

It does to me. Establishment. Politics as usual. And He showed "monumental discourtesy". WTF

Sigh

[riversedge]

43. So, Bernie told the invite was from the pope. Pope distances himself. Bernie changes his text.

OK. got it. Bernie's ego is getting the best of him. It really shows this week.



http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation



.............Respect for Pope

Sanders earlier on Friday said, “this is an invitation from the Vatican, from a pope that I have enormous respect for in term of the level of consciousness that he’s raising on the need to have morality in our economy."

The office of the pope moved quickly to distance the pontiff from Sanders’s visit. Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope’s spokesman, said Sanders had been invited “not by the pope but by the pontifical academy of social sciences.” Lombardi told the Italian news agency Ansa: “For the moment there is no expectation that there will also be a meeting with the pope.”

Francis has raised the Catholic church’s emphasis on issues of poverty, environmental stewardship and aid to refugees. The pope already has played a role in this year’s election through criticism of anti-immigrant policies embraced by Republican candidates.

Sanders told reporters in New York on Friday that he is “very excited about this invitation from the Vatican to participate in a major conference dealing with how we can inject morality into today’s economy.”.................

[HillareeeHillaraah]

45. This was being played up in one thread

As an indication that the Pope was seeking Bernie's advice on morality as relates economics.




Tried to point out how tone deaf that was to American Catholics....it devolved from there.

He DOES need a miracle and the Pope IS the guy to see about that....still it's an odd strategy...

Some straws for his campaign to grasp at

[DemonGoddess]

48. I think the Catholic

constituency that this pandering is designed to hoodwink, will all have the same reaction that I did. Since I am a Catholic...

[HillareeeHillaraah]

53. As am I

A New York catholic to be exact. This absolutely won't fly here...

[LisaM]

51. He and Kim Davis, eh?

Very odd story.

[DemonGoddess]

52. this part

“It does not signify any support of the campaign,” Sorondo explained. “We want to establish a dialogue between North America and South America so we thought to invite a (U.S.) politician. The President of Bolivia will also be there. Perhaps the others (candidates) would have been interested but they did not request to come.”

So who asked to go?

[seaglass]

55. I know, Sorondo is now contradicting himself saying that it was his idea to invite Bernie. n/t

[DemonGoddess]

62. which leads to what I've been thinking, in that

this is more about VATICAN politics, and the very conservative arm that does NOT like Pope Francis, trying to get him into another forced situation like the meeting with Kim Davis. As we can all see, he's not going to fall for that again.

[Iliyah]

56. Pissing off the Vatican ain't cool!

[question everything]

57. Shades of Kim Davis

the anti gay county register who went to jail and not to sigh gay marriage.

[misterhighwasted]

58. Bernie's last (& only) salvo to the Latino voters & the Right to Lifer bigots

Not to mention its all he's got for foreign policy. This PR stunt will seal his nomination...just you wait!

Throw me a lifiline Mr Pope!


JAYSUS TAKE THE WHEEL!

[SleeplessinSoCal]

59. What will Israel make of this? Or AIPAC?

He's finding 4 days to be away from the campaign and he couldn't find a couple of hours for them.

[Her Sister]

61. Maybe he wants to avoid American (specifically NY) reporters?

Change the topic