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Got milk?! (Original Post) Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 OP
How was the milk supply for the common folks when the Oligarths where in charge? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #1
It was fine until the Boligarcs came into power. It looked like this Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 #2
Huh. Did not know the Internet captured the milk supply of Venezuela from 12 years ago in one photo. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #3
It shows more than the existing supply now Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 #4
Well, having been born and raised in Venezuela myself... Marksman_91 Jan 2015 #5
I never had any problems entering a grocery store and leaving with in latin america Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 #6
You had American dollars, always makes a difference in a lot of nations? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #7
Nope, you buy in local currency. In addition, in Ecuador and Panama the US dollar is the currency Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 #8
What I meant is that if you have hard currency to exchange for local national currency you are Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #9
Oh sure I am better off for the most part but that doesn't cause lines and shortages in Venezuela nt Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 #10
Until Chavez's programs Venezuela had a very strong (hard) currency in COLGATE4 Jan 2015 #11
A very strong local currency is not a hard currency, the Bolivar, now or ever, is not a hard currency. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #12
What does having more money in your pockets have to do with doing lines or not? Marksman_91 Jan 2015 #13
Piling on some more sanctions will solve this. Mika Jan 2015 #14
Sanctions are against persons in the corrupt chavista regime Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 #15
My point was to pile on more. Yeah, That'll work. Mika Jan 2015 #16
the sanctions against chavistas won't make bit of difference to the country nt Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 #17
Except make it worse for all. Mika Jan 2015 #18
I don't see how. See ya. Off to buy some chicken and milk nt Bacchus4.0 Jan 2015 #19
It's a formula so old, it was formalized in this country on Christmas eve, 1897 in the Memorandum Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #20
Mika, you seem like a smart man and know spanish. Here, read this article: Marksman_91 Jan 2015 #22
OK. I'll take a look. Gracias. Mika Jan 2015 #24
Nobody is proposing sanctions against Venezuela, only the individuals running the government Marksman_91 Jan 2015 #21
Mika comes across completely well. We all know it. n/t Judi Lynn Jan 2015 #23
Notice the personal attack? Mika Jan 2015 #25
 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
5. Well, having been born and raised in Venezuela myself...
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:29 PM
Jan 2015

I can confirm that we sure as hell didn't have to do lines like this. Hell, only a few years ago we still had everything we needed. How about you actually talk with Venezuelan people yourself and ask them how things were back then? You're making a fool of yourself right now. Maybe a visit to Venezuela is in order for you?

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
6. I never had any problems entering a grocery store and leaving with in latin america
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jan 2015

in Ecuador, Peru, Colombia, Argentina, Chile, Brazil, and Venezuela from my last visit in about 2001 and previously.

No fingerprints, no long lines, plenty of products including milk and chicken, no deportation because I am a foreigner, no military patrols, no fights over products. and Venezuela was comparitively rich compared to Colombia, Peru, and Ecuador until quite recently.

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
8. Nope, you buy in local currency. In addition, in Ecuador and Panama the US dollar is the currency
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 06:30 PM
Jan 2015

and they do not have these food shortage problems. The problem is the government in Venezuela.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. What I meant is that if you have hard currency to exchange for local national currency you are
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 06:39 PM
Jan 2015

already much better economically off. That applies to many non hard currency countries.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
11. Until Chavez's programs Venezuela had a very strong (hard) currency in
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jan 2015

its currency, the "Bolivar". When I was there last the exchange rate was something on the order of 5 Bolivares to one US Dollar, and there was no black market for dollars (no need for it - you could exchange B's for dollars freely). Now, the black market rate is around 128 Bolivares to one Dollar since access to dollars at the "official" rate is limited to the chosen few.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. A very strong local currency is not a hard currency, the Bolivar, now or ever, is not a hard currency.
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 07:16 PM
Jan 2015
 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
13. What does having more money in your pockets have to do with doing lines or not?
Thu Jan 15, 2015, 10:07 PM
Jan 2015

Your point is not really coming across well

Bacchus4.0

(6,837 posts)
15. Sanctions are against persons in the corrupt chavista regime
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jan 2015

no economic sanctions imposed on Venezuela as a country.

Judi Lynn

(160,616 posts)
20. It's a formula so old, it was formalized in this country on Christmas eve, 1897 in the Memorandum
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 04:46 PM
Jan 2015

written by the US Undersecretary of War, John Breckenridge, who said, beside a lot of other pure filth,


.... We must impose a harsh blockade so that hunger and its constant companion, disease, undermine the peaceful population ...


http://www.historyofcuba.com/history/bmemo.htm

As it has ALWAYS been, even in Iraq, for so many long years, the intention to make things so painful the population will be compelled to overthrow their government to ease the pain brought by the US pressure. Who could be so slow to not comprehend this.

Our half-wit right-wingers don't seem to grasp that applying immoral and filthy pressure to the people of countries to put so much suffering on them is so clearly dishonest and evil, a lot of people will go to great lengths to resist US pressure, anyway.

In the long run, it destroys the lives of the people, creates so much needless pain for real human beings who matter, unlike the perverted right-wingers, and points out to everyone that the true trash of the world is in control, rather than in prison. We all know the score, regardless of how many slimy professional right-wing liars cling to our message boards like leeches day by day, trying to interrupt the exchange of REAL information.

That's what they fear the most. The truth being known on a wide scale, despite their criminal efforts.

It always is comical when they throw another reeking propaganda morsel of feces concerning their hated leftist government of the moment. We've seen it all before, for decades. As if they are good at fooling folks.

 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
22. Mika, you seem like a smart man and know spanish. Here, read this article:
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 05:46 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.aporrea.org/contraloria/a201213.html

It's an entry in Aporrea.org, one of the most staunch Chavista blog sites out there, where actual Venezuelans who live the reality of Venezuela every day who call themselves supporters of Chavez write. Maybe this could enlighten you more about the situation.
 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
24. OK. I'll take a look. Gracias.
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 06:04 PM
Jan 2015

I'm not an "expert" on all things Venezuela.
Cuba is more my field of experience.

Cheers.


 

Marksman_91

(2,035 posts)
21. Nobody is proposing sanctions against Venezuela, only the individuals running the government
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 05:28 PM
Jan 2015

Your point is not coming across well. I suggest you think before you write.

 

Mika

(17,751 posts)
25. Notice the personal attack?
Fri Jan 16, 2015, 06:07 PM
Jan 2015

I don't alert these silly non-sequitur personal attacks. I let them stand on their own merit (or lack of).

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