Venezuela: Diosdado Cabello thinks Capriles is ahead. Suggests terrorist attacks and false flags.

[joshcryer]

http://chirb.it/FL3xv6

DIOSDADO: The pollsters who have worked consecutively in all events speak of a solid lead by Capriles. This situation arises. What else could change this trend seems that by now is very difficult to overcome the tendency of the victory of the candidate of the bourgeoisie. We're talking about a catastrophic event in Venezuela. A fact that somehow... this trend can be broken. A disaster... a terrorist attack...

Unidentified voice: We have considered other paths we can take. There you go and buy, measure, put fear their people, and if we command authority.

DIOSDADO: Now what might happen on purpose, anything but what is happening.

Unidentified voice: Certainly in the conversation we had with Ruperti tells me that we can cite the person under any pretext, is simple. We'll be ready to record it. Without witnesses, only our people. That can be very easy because we already have it fixed.

DIOSDADO: Safe?

Unidentified voice: Very sure.

DIOSDADO: Sure, sure?

Unidentified voice: No problem, you have to keep hitting the majunche and the best is to hit in the ... you have.

DIOSDADO: So much to be. Not a single witness, our people will be mobilized in the streets.

Unidentified voice: Very sure, the less people know about this, and when we do it will be the mother of all scandals for the majunches.

DIOSDADO: Now we at that calm and sanity. We can say this calmly did Mr. but interpret it as you wish ...

Unidentified voice: Of course, all by themselves become eight, the subject of the media because if we pass the hand, and exaggerate the thing, they'll know that we made this plan and will say that this operation is our ...

DIOSDADO: Get out saying it's a lie.

Unidentified Voice: Yes we will say that, right to the cameras.

DIOSDADO: Go for a lie saying that too.

Unidentified voice: Either way, the problem is having something that is not going to shake off ever, and we will push them out of the game, and the majunche will hurt very badly ...

DIOSDADO: So I say, all laws condemn receipt of resources without proper support.

Unidentified voice: Clear, go to hell, you have to hit with that dude.

DIOSDADO: The story should be unforgivable. They will look bad to the country and the world. Rest assured that it is.

Unidentified voice: Something that I like is that we can leave the situation to our friends from the media, journalists, I really like that idea.

DIOSDADO: That they will do their research and what research results.

Unidentified voice: Let's do something, I will continue squaring this. We will have people caught, it will be a scandal, but hey, let me get squaring, we are in discussions and see how close this event is to finishing ...

Shitty shitty transcription. Sorry, but I'm done trying to get the gist of it.

[Peace Patriot]

1. "I'm done trying to get the gist of it."

Yup, not surprising you can't make sense of it. This has to be the most "Alice in Wonderlandish" post I've seen by an Anti-Chavez DUer.

In "Alice in Wonderland"--aka, Lewis Carroll's "Through the Looking Glass"--the regime running Wonderland is headed by someone called "the Red Queen," who demands that her minions paint the white roses in her garden red!

I often see this psychosis on the right, here and in Venezuela. If reality doesn't suit the rightwing, they deny reality and invent an alternative reality, in which, say, they are "born to rule" (Venezuela's rich elite) or are especially chosen, pure and Jesus-like (nutball 'Christians' here, serving the uber-rich) or--utterly laughable--are rugged, gun-toting independent types who "hate" government, except when they deposit their Social Security checks. Seriously out of touch with reality.

This seems to be the gist of rightwing "talking points" here, in Venezuela and wherever the Corporate 'News' Media injects itself into political debate not just in editorials but in their "framing" of the 'news' and, indeed, often in their creation of 'news,' to support rightwing "talking points"--to support, repeat and spread the most outlandish lies and brainwashing propaganda. This leads to laziness of the intellect on the right, because the Corporate 'News' Media supports and contributes to this psychosis--to the nutball right's nonsensical, jabbewockyish and unreal view of the world. It reinforces that wacky view, for instance, in its portrayal of Venezuela and the Chavez government.

Facts don't matter for the rightwing jabberwockiests of the Corporate 'News' Media. Making sense doesn't matter. Sourcing, backing up and explaining your views don't matter. Nutball views are treated with respect. Facts are treated with contempt.

For example, this nonsensical post starts off with an absurdity--"all events speak of a solid lead by Capriles"--which, I imagine, is the reason it caught your eye and you posted it. THE EXACT OPPOSITE IS TRUE IN THE REAL WORLD. In a study of 12 major polls in August, the Mitofsky-Mexico polling firm rated President Chavez as the fourth most popular leader in all of the Americas, with a 64% average approval rating. This is consistent with the specific presidential election polls, in which decided voters give Chavez around 50% of the votes and Capriles about 35%. Undecideds will likely favor Chavez because of his very high approval rating. It is loony to assert otherwise. NO ONE with any kind of reputation in polling is saying "all events speak of a solid lead by Capriles." It is simply not true. Chavez is ahead in 90% of the polls--way ahead in some--and in the few polls in which Capriles is ahead, it's by a squeaky few percentage points.

From there, the post deteriorates into incoherence. We have no idea who is speaking, what they are advocating, what the source is, or why you posted it. We have no idea what it is--a "transcript" of what?

It is crap. And, among jabberwocky posts, it's right up there with the Associated Pukes, the Wall Street Urinal, the Miami Hairball, the New York Slimes and all the Corporate crap-pushers, about Venezuela and Chavez, the only difference being that the Corporate crap-pushers write in complete sentences--educated, well-funded crap vs. brain-damaged "Mad Tea Party" crap.

I am often startled by your anti-factual statements about Chavez and Venezuela--especially your inability to see--your blindness to--Chavez's popularity, and your inability to acknowledge or grasp the reasons why the Chavez government keeps winning elections--even when objective, outside data is presented to you (such as the UN Economic Commission on Latin America and the Caribbean designating Venezuela as "THE most equal country in Latin America" on income distribution). You seem unable to take it in. But I have to say that I am very surprised by this--what to call it?--murky slime from the netherworld.

You made a headline out of it that associates Venezuela's election with "terrorist attacks." You got an opening line that some nutball believes that Capriles has "a solid lead." And then you blame your translating skills for the incoherence of the rest of it.

I think I'm right that all you wanted was Capriles having "a solid lead" and there will be, um, chavista (???)"terrorism" if Capriles--against common sense, at this point--wins. And, gosh, golly, here's the proof--these guys talking about, um...something!

One can imagine people who actually talk like this--in the netherworld of the rightwing coupsters in Venezuela, or among Uribe's "Black Eagle" death squads who tried to infiltrate Venezuela from Colombia, or the low-lifes and hired thugs and decrepit CIA operatives in shadowy conversations in the Miami Mafia's titty bars. That's the really funny part of this post. It's so-o-o-o-o rightwingy sounding.

Chavistas, on the other hand, think, organize and win elections. They are one of the most awesome democratic grass roots forces in the world. It is rightwingers who plot and implement coup d'etats and overthrows of democracy--with one overt coup attempt in Venezuela, in 2002, in which the rightwing coupsters suspended the Constitution, the courts, the National Assembly and all civil rights, to the cheers of the Corporate Media who participated in that coup attempt, and at least one planned coup for election time (2006) in which a false exit poll was to be used to stir up civil disorder (a failed plot apparently because the coup plotters couldn't get the military to go along).

MOST Venezuelans--the vast majority--are committed to democracy, honest elections and the rule of law. The rightwing opposition, which represents the minority rich elite, are the ones who have grossly violated civil order and likely still have lawless elements within their ranks. The Chavez government is likely going to win a third term, but if it doesn't, I have no doubt whatsoever that there will be civil peace--a lawful, peaceful transition--and the chavistas will be active in the National Assembly over the next few years, preventing the rollback of their "New Deal," and will start planning for the next presidential election. There is a long list of potential leftist candidates who support, and/or, actively helped create, the Chavez government's reforms.

It is the rightwing opposition that I'm not sure of, as to civil order. That's what makes this, whatever it is...the word "spoof" springs to mind--so ludicrous. Chavez's "New Deal" benefits most Venezuelans. Rightwing rule--most recently in the guise of "neo-liberal" rule (i.e., corporate rule)--does not. That is the factual truth--lots of objective, outside data to support it--and the subjective truth--Venezuelans' opinion of their own well being and future prospects, which they rate very high, indeed--fifth in the world--in the Gallup Wellness poll.

The rightwing has an uphill battle to convince voters that they won't dismantle this "New Deal" and return to the days of the "rich get richer" and the poor majority can go jump off a cliff. No amount of Corporate 'News' crap has been able to fool them in the past. Not likely that they're going to be fooled now, with the incoherent argument that Chavez is both a dictator and incompetent. (Even the overt rightwing/Corporate "talking points" are jabberwocky-ish) But, even if that happens--if Capriles wins, unlikely as it is--I have no doubt whatsoever that Chavez, Chavez government leaders, chavistas (political activists, organizers) and most Venezuelans will take it in stride. They might even, in a way, be proud of it--because it was the Chavez government that invited the Carter Center to help set up an honest, transparent election system, invited the Carter Center and other international election monitoring groups to observe and judge the election system, and has permitted an independent Election Commission, which includes members of the opposition, to oversee elections. It is the Chavez government that has created and insured what most Venezuelans want--a fair democracy. That is something to be proud of! And they're not going to give it up in favor of lawlessness and civil disorder. But the rightwing opposition might. They've done it before.

It would be interesting to ask you to explain what you think this weird conversation is about and why you posted it. But I won't tax you with that undertaking, since you've already given up on it. I will just say this: Beware of psychological projection. It is a particular hazard of rightwing thought. It is also a tool of fascist operatives. I am thinking of the Bushwhacks who often--and quite cynically--projected their own heinous crimes onto others. But projection can be sincere, for instance, that you really think that the chavistas will blow Venezuela up in a civil war if they lose this election. Beware of your anger at being part of a political movement to oust Chavez that is not likely going to succeed. It is not chavistas who have overthrown the rule of law. It is the people lurking behind the scenes of your own coalition.

[joshcryer]

2. 4 days PP.

Last edited Wed Oct 3, 2012, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)

name one dead chavista killed by the opposition in the past 6 months. One. Name one PP.

I can name 4 dead opposition members murdered at campaign or campaign related events.

And another 2 that survived being shot.

That's 6.

Give me one, PP. Give me fucking one.

You can't because the opposition is not the same that was around a decade ago.

Despite what Chavez would say during his Big Brother-esque two minutes hate.