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Gaza kindergarten graduation ceremony
Children attending a kindergarten in Gaza that is run by Islamic Jihad celebrated their graduation by dressing up in army attire, waving toy rifles and chanting anti-Israel slogans.
"It is our obligation to educate the children to love the resistance, Palestine and Jerusalem, so they will recognize the importance of Palestine and who its enemy is," the kindergarten's director said.
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One child, Hamza, said "When I grow up I'll join Islamic Jihad and the al-Quds Brigades. I'll fight the Zionist enemy and fire missiles at it until I die as a shahid and join my father in heaven.
"I love the resistance and the martyrs and Palestine, and I want to blow myself up on Zionists and kill them on a bus in a suicide bombing," he said.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4241588,00.html
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but the article fails to mention something just who did the translations or are we to assume that they were speaking either English or Hebrew?
However it was run by IJ who also claims responsibility for most of the rocket attacks, so who knows?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Really ??
Mmmhh have not heard that one for quite a while .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)however it depends on just who did the translation as I pointed out but don't let that stop you from commenting further
aranthus
(3,385 posts)It was all an audition for SNL. Just a joke. Totally misunderstood.
aranthus
(3,385 posts)As for the "translation issue". That might make a difference if it was a matter of one word or two. Then you could question whether the bias of the translator pushed the meaning of the word in one direction or another. But this is whole paragraphs. Either it doesn't matter who the translator is, or else the "translator" just made the whole thing up. Are you alleging the latter?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)sometimes I'll give you a couple of examples one in the New Testament I've read that in the sermon on the Mount Jesus supposedly said "He who believeth in me" now I've read others who say that what was really said was "He who believeth as me" one two letter word but it changes quite a bit there is another from the Rig Veda's
Argument that the Rig Veda sanctions sati
It is often claimed that this most ancient text sanctions or prescribes sati. This is based on verse 10.18.7, part of the verses to be used at funerals. Whether they even describe sati or something else entirely, is disputed, The hymn is about funeral by burial, and not by cremation. There are differing translations of the passage. The translation below is one of those said to prescribe it.
इमा नारीरविधवाः सुपत्नीराञ्जनेन सर्पिषा संविशन्तु |
अनश्रवो.अनमीवाः सुरत्ना आ रोहन्तु जनयोयोनिमग्रे || (RV 10.18.7)
Let these women, whose husbands are worthy and are living, enter the house with ghee (applied) as collyrium (to their eyes). Let these wives first step into the pyre, tearless without any affliction and well adorned.[62]
The text does not mention widowhood, and other translations differ in their translation of the word here rendered as 'pyre' (yoni, literally "seat, abode"; Griffith has "first let the dames go up to where he lieth" . In addition, the following verse, which is unambiguously about widows, then contradicts any suggestion of the woman's death; it explicitly states that the widow should return to her house.
उदीर्ष्व नार्यभि जीवलोकं गतासुमेतमुप शेष एहि |
हस्तग्राभस्य दिधिषोस्तवेदं पत्युर्जनित्वमभि सम्बभूथ || (RV 10.18.8)
Rise, come unto the world of life, O woman come, he is lifeless by whose side thou liest. Wifehood with this thy husband was thy portion, who took thy hand and wooed thee as a lover.[63]
A reason given for the discrepancy in translation and interpretation of verse 10.18.7, is that one consonant in a word that meant house, yonim agree "foremost to the yoni", was deliberately changed by those who wished claim scriptural justification, to a word that meant fire, yomiagne.[64]
This page was last modified on 11 June 2012 at 15:46.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_%28practice%29
how many thousands of women died because of that?
now as to the comment in question do you think it was our shira, you seem to I hope not because here is the comment
7. The manager of the daycare
should be a serious candidate for the Nobel Peace prize !!! Really! It's going to be given to some African dictator or a mass-murderer or to someone who just talks the talk but doesnt walk the walk (i.e. Obama)....
Shira (06.12.12)
she does not capitilize her name -here
aranthus
(3,385 posts)The meaning is pretty clear here. Hamas has been doing this sort of thing for years. So unless you have proof of mistranslation or fabrication, I think you allegation is simply a misdirect itself.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but I would guess we simply should take anyone's word for anything as long it's negative towards Palestinians, however you must have failed I'm sure accidentally that in my post I also pointed out it was IJ so it could be true worded as who knows
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I would guess Palestinian groups are all pretty much the same according to some
aranthus
(3,385 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)I disagree.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)PA/PLO/Hamas, I understand but my point is they are still 2 different groups but thanks for your comment
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and I'm sure your one of Obama's strongest supporters
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)does indicate I think it's you? seems kind of paranoid IMO, but i will admit when I first read it I did and apparently aranthus did too if you read his comment
eta it's #6 had to go back and look
shira
(30,109 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)there can never be definitive proof of that sort of thing sometimes it can interesting to Google your user name and see what crops up
Mosby
(16,319 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The kids in the photos are really adorable - shame they are being taught this way so young.
Heartbreaking, really.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)holdencaufield
(2,927 posts)... a "Shahid-themed" birthday party. But the plates, cups and balloons were so much more expensive than the "My Little Pony" ones. So we went with the "Ponies"
shira
(30,109 posts)http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsaraya.ps%2Findex.php%3Fact%3DShow%26id%3D21564&act=url
The leader of the Islamic Jihad, Khader Habib, that "the right of the Palestinian people teach their children that the enemy is the Zionist usurper of the land of Palestine," stressing the need to adhere to the principles and preserve the national rights.
Habib explained in a press statement today that the rabbis teach their students the values of racism, "and consider the children and women of Palestine are just snakes and cockroaches, does not live up to be ordinary people."
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The location of the "media war" to Al-Quds Brigades has published on Tuesday reported a photographer for a graduation ceremony at a kindergarten Gaza Strip showing Gaza children dressed in military uniforms belonging to the Movement of Islamic Jihad and carrying rifles and chanting slogans against the Zionist enemy, and addressed the newspaper Yediot Aharonot on its front electronic news The main image and the report in detail and expressed concern over the extent of enrollment of children in the Gaza Strip resist in the future, and how it affected.